Green light for Eurofighter from Germany for the Turkish Air Force

[UKBengali]

How can you ever be sure?
A war is the wrong time to find out.

Remember, the Zionists control the Western governments utterly and completely when it comes to any Middle East issue. No German politician will be able get a job even as a toilet cleaner if he angers the Zionists.

Well unless Turkey agrees to restrictions in the purchase contract, then there is no restriction on use.

The main things that Turkey needs are:

1. Access to source code to integrate its own missiles and weapons. Meteor and other types of munitions can be replaced within 5-10 years in this case by Turkish stuff.

2. Setting up of a maintenance centre to allow Turkey to do things like overhaul and even repair engines if needed - Turkey has enough knowledge and experience to do this.

3. A good amount of weaponry from the word go like hundreds of Meteors that in any war scenario with say Greece it does not run out.


By purchasing on this basis, then pretty much within 5-10 years of delivery, Turkey can use, maintain, arm and repair these Eurofighters without any authorisation or assistance from the partner countries.

 

[hodor]

Well unless Turkey agrees to restrictions in the purchase contract, then there is no restriction on use.

The main things that Turkey needs are:

1. Access to source code to integrate its own missiles and weapons. Meteor and other types of munitions can be replaced within 5-10 years in this case by Turkish stuff.

2. Setting up of a maintenance centre to allow Turkey to do things like overhaul and even repair engines if needed - Turkey has enough knowledge and experience to do this.

3. A good amount of weaponry from the word go like hundreds of Meteors that in any war scenario with say Greece it does not run out.


By purchasing on this basis, then pretty much within 5-10 years of delivery, Turkey can use, maintain, arm and repair these Eurofighters without any authorisation or assistance from the partner countries.

Years ago, Turkey was offered a production partnership for the Eurofighter, but we preferred the American F-35.

I don't think they will give these concessions again today.

If we don't want to drag this out, we should just buy and move on

 

[UKBengali]

Years ago, Turkey was offered a production partnership for the Eurofighter, but we preferred the American F-35.

I don't think they will give these concessions again today.

If we don't want to drag this out, we should just buy and move on

Europe is heading for bankruptcy, especially Germany whose once mighty car industry is declining rapidly.

They are desperate. It depends whether Turkey is prepared to walk away or not.

 

[Developereo]

Well unless Turkey agrees to restrictions in the purchase contract, then there is no restriction on use.

Unless Turkey takes apart every single plane down to the nuts and bolts and puts it back together, it won't know of any hardware kill switches.

Unless they inspect every single line of source code and firmware, they won't know on any software kill switches.

It is simply not practical to verify that a foreign product is not compromised. Why do you think the West has blacklisted many Chinese products?

If Turkey takes the Zionists at their word that the planes will work against Israel or any European country, then I don't know what to say.

 

[muhammed45]

Given the engine is a Rolls Royce product, i guess, maintenance won't be a major issue. But it will be costly.

Typhoon in terms of BVR can match F-35, maybe that is why Turkish airforce has opted for it. That is if its armed with Meteor. Its range is 3 times more than current AIM-120.

My take on this is that Europeans agreed with this possibly because of existence of KAAN. Now that Turks tried to get subsystems from European companies, they preferred to sell the complete platform instead of selling subsystems only. More profit for EU companies and Turks can have what they wanted.

Consider KAAN dead for a while.

 

[UKBengali]

Unless Turkey takes apart every single plane down to the nuts and bolts and puts it back together, it won't know of any hardware kill switches.

Unless they inspect every single line of source code and firmware, they won't know on any software kill switches.

It is simply not practical to verify that a foreign product is not compromised. Why do you think the West has blacklisted many Chinese products?

If Turkey takes the Zionists at their word that the planes will work against Israel or any European country, then I don't know what to say.

That is true but sometimes you have to accept some level of risk.

Access to source code will allow Turkey to inspect the code and would at least give them a glance of what has been placed in the software.

If Turkey buys Eurofighter then it takes the gamble but can try to reduce the risks by asking for some conditions like I have stated.

 

[Oublious]

Ther is no restriction, who the fak have spread the news i don't now. Turkish weapons will be intregated in the EF thats was a part of the deal.

 

[MMM-E]

Germany gives green light to marine systems exports to the Turkish Navy

-- 100 RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missiles
( Turkiye tested similar system called LEVENT )

-- 28 DM2A4 heavyweight Torpedos
( Turkiye has developed AKYA heavyweight Torpedo )


According to the Germans, Germany gives green light because the Turkish Navy's great importance in the Black Sea in terms of the balance of power against Russia

a ridiculous reason ... Russia is threat to Europe since 2014 invasion of Crimea

the real reason is that Türkiye has developed similar systems



All dimensions of Germany's arms export policy towards Turkiye
-- to support PKK-YPG terrorism against Turkiye in Syria
-- to support Grrece and Greek Cypriots against Turkiye in the Eastern Mediterranean

1-- Germany blocked sale of MTU Engine for Turkish ALTAY Tank project
because of Turkish military operations in Syria against PKK-YPG terrorists

RESULT : Turkiye has developed 1.500 hp deiesel engine and mounted it on the ALTAY Tank for testing

2-- Germany is causing problems with the sale of its Fighter Jets to Türkiye
because Germany support Greece and Greek Cypriots against Turkiye in the Eastern Mediterranean

USA and Germany wants to turn Turkish Air Force into another Iranian Air Force

RESULT : KAAN , HURJET , KIZILELMA , ANKA-3/4 are coming

 

[UKBengali]

Typhoon in terms of BVR can match F-35, maybe that is why Turkish airforce has opted for it. That is if its armed with Meteor. Its range is 3 times more than current AIM-120.

It is thought that in pure air-to-air mode the Typhoon with semi-recessed missiles would have an RCS of 0.1m^2 and so "semi-stealth".

With what could be the world's most advanced fighter radar and total aerodynamic superiority over F-35 it may well be somewhat equivalent to F-35 in air to air mode, especially as export F-35s(Greece), apart from UK and Zionist entity, are downgraded models.

 

[MMM-E]

Now that Turks tried to get subsystems from European companies, they preferred to sell the complete platform instead of selling subsystems only. More profit for EU companies and Turks can have what they wanted.

There is no any subsystem on the KAAN from the EU Countries

only Engine is from USA and ejection seat from the UK

And Turkiye develops its own 35.000 lbf turbofan engine also ejection seat to make the KAAN Fighter Jet full of indigenous

 

[MMM-E]

It is thought that in pure air-to-air mode the Typhoon with semi-recessed missiles would have an RCS of 0.1m^2 and so "semi-stealth".

With what could be the world's most advanced fighter radar and total aerodynamic superiority over F-35 it may well be somewhat equivalent to F-35 in air to air mode, especially as export F-35s(Greece), apart from UK and Zionist entity, are downgraded models.

Bulky F-35 can not match with Eurofighter and Rafale in dog fight

but stealth F-35 has advantage in BVR combat against Eurofighter and Rafale


Türkiye wants to match with Greek F-35s by creating a 6th generation war concept

KAAN , ANKA-4 and KIZILELMA manned and unmanned stealth Fighter Jets create fusion of cutting-edge innovations for future tactical air combat

 

[muhammed45]

There is no any subsystem on the KAAN from the EU Countries

only Engine is from USA and ejection seat from the UK

And Turkiye develops its own 35.000 lbf turbofan engine also ejection seat to make the KAAN Fighter Jet full of indigenous

Take it easy bro. Its 2 decades we are trying to have a reliable heavy turbofan engine, not to mention the hurry we are in.

Russians do the same with us, trying to throw tens of their 4th generation garbages at us with rumors that people hear like Iran wants to buy 400 Mig-35s. Or Iran buys 1,000 J-10 lol.

Luckily Turks are not sanctioned by the whole world leaving multiple options for them.

We have to go our own way, Turkey can bargain to have what it wants.

 

[muhammed45]

Its a great purchase by Turks i would agree. But it still has canards. Scattering waves, it still is not in same class as F-35.

Hope they do not completely leave their owm fifth generation platform. European snakes know how to set up traps

It is thought that in pure air-to-air mode the Typhoon with semi-recessed missiles would have an RCS of 0.1m^2 and so "semi-stealth".

With what could be the world's most advanced fighter radar and total aerodynamic superiority over F-35 it may well be somewhat equivalent to F-35 in air to air mode, especially as export F-35s(Greece), apart from UK and Zionist entity, are downgraded models.

 

[UKBengali]

Its a great purchase by Turks i would agree. But it still has canards. Scattering waves, it still is not in same class as F-35.

Hope they do not completely leave their owm fifth generation platform. European snakes know how to set up traps

RCS the F-35 wins for sure but the Euroghter would be better at aerodynamic manuverability and would have better radar than most export models, especially as Greeks would have a downgraded model. Zionist models would be same as US and UK that have the "full" version.

No the Turks are still continuing with Kaan but they need something for the next 5-10 years as it will take time to induct and then build up numbers.

 

[MMM-E]

Luckily Turks are not sanctioned by the whole world leaving multiple options for them.

since 2010 Turkiye can not buy even a pistol from our so-called NATO allies USA , Germany , France , etc

And when Türkiye buys weapons from Russia or China, these countries are crying like children and impose sanctions on Turkiye


USA blocked sale of UCAVs to Turkiye
USA blocked sale of PATRIOT Air Defense System to Turkiye
USA blocked sale of F-35 Fighter Jet to Turkiye
Even F-16V purchase has not been realised yet

France blocked EUROSAM to develop a new Air Defense System with Turkiye

Germany blocked sale of MTU Engine for Turkish ALTAY Tank project
Germany is trying to block sale of Eurofighter to Turkiye

Also arms embargo imposed on the Turkish Navy by USA , Germany , Italy
( 76 mm naval gun , MK-41 VLS , ESSM SAM , RAM Missile , PHALANX CIWS , Heavyweight Torpedo , SMART-S MK-II Radar and many more )


Türkiye is trying to keep the Turkish Armed Forces modern and deterrent against these embargoes by developing its own systems with great effort in the last 10 years

Now Turkiye's Achilles tendon is Fighter Jet and turbofan engine
We will overcome this disadvantage too, but it will take 5-10 years.



If it were not for the Turkish Defense Industry, these treacherous countries would turn the Turkish Armed Forces into the stone age in technology by arms
embargoes