Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[RAJPUT]

A hundred or so would be my guess.
We don't really go for conventional BM.

How do you know that? I mean you could guess but not with certainty, right? So no need to make wild guesses.

 

[Oscar]

Thats why they've introduced this new series of Fattah BMs.
While shaheen series will be responsible for conventional strikes beyond 1000kms. Its the people here that have misunderstood paks approach to BMs. I've look up ISPRs statements regarding BMs and they've talked about accuracy from like 2010s onwards, why on earth you would need accuracy, if you just want nuke a country with the said missile, INs equipped BM with CEP of about 2-300m can get the job done. why develop advanced navigation systems if your not going to use them for conventional strike.

The first Shaheen series were still hitting within 10m CEP within tests.

Current systems have moved to more precise gimbals and(reportedly) MP thrusters as well.

Liquid Fuels offer higher SP and Maneuvering bandwidth.

 

[Sparten]

The first Shaheen series were still hitting within 10m CEP within tests.

Current systems have moved to more precise gimbals and(reportedly) MP thrusters as well.

Liquid Fuels offer higher SP and Maneuvering bandwidth.

Almost all PBV are liquid fueled. Including on the Minuteman series of ICBM. The onlcu ex exception I can think off is the Trident.

 

[TallGuy]

@Oscar

i was wondering KRL Ghauri 1 and 2 are still operation on a 2nd tier force now?

if so why cant we use them as anti ship ballistic missiles or modify them to be conventional strike weapons?

i hope we get expertise to put HGV on it

 

[falcon34]

Current systems have moved to more precise gimbals and(reportedly) MP thrusters as well

MP thrusters?.

Liquid Fuels offer higher SP and Maneuvering bandwidth.

Midcourse maneuvering right?. through PBV or PSAC. I was reading stuff on it, all i got that was liquid fuel allows missiles to perform maneuvers in vaccuum of space through various bursts of fuel which solid fuel can't do.
Looks like we got ourselves covered on midcourse interceptions.

 

[falcon34]

The first Shaheen series were still hitting within 10m CEP within tests

For possible conventional strike roles right?.
So i don't get it, why don't just develop solely conventional versions of shaheen series of missiles, everything is their. Why develop 700km range fatah. When you've got 900km range S1A with 10m cep. Entirely new facilities and production line would have been setup for fatah series, it should have been terminated at 400km range, Someone should get sacked for this you've literally got preision ballistic missile with MARVs and midcourse maneuvering, why got after those exotic and expensive glide vehicles while you can literally get a capable missile at the fraction of a cost.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

For possible conventional strike roles right?.
So i don't get it, why don't just develop solely conventional versions of shaheen series of missiles, everything is their. Why develop 700km range fatah. When you've got 900km range S1A with 10m cep. Entirely new facilities and production line would have been setup for fatah series, it should have been terminated at 400km range, Someone should get sacked for this you've literally got preision ballistic missile with MARVs and midcourse maneuvering, why got after those exotic and expensive glide vehicles while you can literally get a capable missile at the fraction of a cost.

If I am not wrong different requirements and purpose.

 

[falcon34]

If I am not wrong different requirements and purpose.

anyways for conventional strikes beyond 1000km its the S series of missiles but still S1A was there they have built some thing out of like reducing the payload to 500kg or something.

 

[falcon34]

Alot of people were saying Ababeel uses first two stages of S3.
But we can clearly see thats not the case the fin profile is different, the first stage seems longer than the S3, Second stage looks shorter and what apppears to be a third stage with thrusters at bottom, which is quite odd.

 

[safriz]

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Alot of people were saying Ababeel uses first two stages of S3.
But we can clearly see thats not the case the fin profile is different, the first stage seems longer than the S3, Second stage looks shorter and what apppears to be a third stage with thrusters at bottom, which is quite odd.View attachment 72872

These paraded mock-up are approximate, not exact representation of the real thing

 

[falcon34]

These paraded mock-up are approximate, not exact representation of the real thing

Wait what, its not the real thing?.

 

[safriz]

Wait what, its not the real thing?.

Nope. These are all mockup which are mostly accurate but not always.
You are better off comparing from pictures released at test launch.

 

[Oscar]

MP thrusters?.

Midcourse maneuvering right?. through PBV or PSAC. I was reading stuff on it, all i got that was liquid fuel allows missiles to perform maneuvers in vaccuum of space through various bursts of fuel which solid fuel can't do.
Looks like we got ourselves covered on midcourse interceptions.

Before a foe announces a capability - Pakistan either has preemptively catered for it or drops hints on tackling it through various channels.

Then either its in place or its fake it till you make it - as a foe it’s your risk calculation to see which it is.

 

[Oscar]

For possible conventional strike roles right?.
So i don't get it, why don't just develop solely conventional versions of shaheen series of missiles, everything is their. Why develop 700km range fatah. When you've got 900km range S1A with 10m cep. Entirely new facilities and production line would have been setup for fatah series, it should have been terminated at 400km range, Someone should get sacked for this you've literally got preision ballistic missile with MARVs and midcourse maneuvering, why got after those exotic and expensive glide vehicles while you can literally get a capable missile at the fraction of a cost.

Each system architecture has limitations -
For Shaheen it is Launch time which is more than Fatah.

The trade off is elsewhere in throw weight and other aspects.

 

[Irfan Usmani 1977]

if so why cant we use them as anti ship ballistic missiles or modify them to be conventional strike weapons?

How can nuclear armed enemy (India/Israel) can differentiate COVENTIONAL BMS fire by another nuclear armed country that whether that coming BMs have COVENTIONAL warheads or NUCLEAR warheads, think about it dude