US Political News and Trump’s China visit

[Developereo]

Its still being derailed. No one else is banned. In fact, you were part of that derailment too. Selective treatment is an abuse of power.

It's about who starts the derailment and continues after being warned.
I stopped after the warning.

 

[Strigon]

It's about who starts the derailment and continues after being warned.
I stopped after the warning.

A response back and forth knowing it is off-topic is willing engagement. Its like shoplifting is fine until a camera beeps at you.

Anyways, I am done with you. Continue to be immature if you wish.

 

[Developereo]

A response back and forth knowing it is off-topic is willing engagement. Its like shoplifting is fine until a camera beeps at you.

Anyways, I am done with you. Continue to be immature if you wish.

All threads veer off topic for a while and return to the topic. However when it goes on for too long and a mod warns you then you need to stop.

Everyone can read your posts in that thread. You were wrong, you were warned multiple times, and then you were banned.

You sound like a volunteer for the Harris campaign and doing a piss poor job of it. You won't convince anyone to vote for her by throwing tantrums and personal attacks at people.

 

[Strigon]

All threads veer off topic for a while and return to the topic. However when it goes on for too long and a mod warns you then you need to stop.

Everyone can read your posts in that thread. You were wrong, you were warned multiple times, and then you were banned.

You sound like a volunteer for the Harris campaign and doing a piss poor job of it. You won't convince anyone to vote for her by throwing tantrums and personal attacks at people.

Lot other also warned but no action against them is taken. It honestly doesn't matter though. The hypocrisy is exposed is what's important.

Anything you wish to tell yourself to feel validated is fine. Luckily most posters don't get to have a vote beyond internet posts. And I have a feeling even the protest voters will come to senses near time. Do send me some treats when she wins though, as logically predicted by Allen Litchman, keys to the white house.

 

[Developereo]

Lot other also warned but no action against them is taken. It honestly doesn't matter though. The hypocrisy is exposed is what's important.

Anything you wish to tell yourself to feel validated is fine. Luckily most posters don't get to have a vote beyond internet posts. And I have a feeling even the protest voters will come to senses near time. Do send me some treats when she wins though, as logically predicted by Allen Litchman, keys to the white house.

I have no favorite between her and Trump, so I won't be happy or sad either way. I am a Libertarian and there hasn't been a decent Libertarian candidate since Ron Paul, so the whole election circus has lost interest for me.

I usually vote Green in Australian elections, to vote my conscience, but luckily voting in US elections is not mandatory like Australia.

 

[Strigon]

I have no favorite between her and Trump, so I won't be happy or sad either way. I am a Libertarian and there hasn't been a decent Libertarian candidate since Ron Paul, so the whole election circus has lost interest for me.

Thrilling story!

 

[j_hungary]

Biden announces new policy shielding undocumented spouses of U.S. citizens from deportation

The action would shield about 500,000 immigrants living in the U.S. from deportation. “This is the biggest thing since DACA,” an immigration advocate said.

www.nbcnews.com

President Joe Biden is taking executive action to protect undocumented spouses of American citizens — a move that would shield about 500,000 immigrants from deportation.

The White House announced the election-year policy Tuesday, framing it as “new action to keep families together.”

[...]

Trump said. "Under this program, a deluge of illegals will be given immediate green cards and put on the fast track to rapid citizenship so they can vote."

"Under this program, a deluge of illegals will be given immediate green cards and put on the fast track to rapid citizenship so they can vote."

You can't vote in US federal election if you are not a citizen (You can vote in local election (If allowed) but not Federal Election), green card holder is NOT YET a citizen, you need 5 + years to naturalise and become one, by then it would be 2 election cycle

Who can and cannot vote | USAGov

Can you vote in federal, state, and local elections? Learn about qualifications such as citizenship, minimum age, registration, and more.

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Who can vote?​

You can vote in U.S. federal, state, and local elections if you:

• Are a U.S. citizen (some areas allow non-citizens to vote in local elections only), including:
  • U.S. citizens living outside of the United States. Learn more from the U.S. Department of State about voting as a U.S. citizen abroad.
  • U.S. citizens who were born abroad and have never lived in the United States. Your eligibility to vote is based on the state where your parents last lived or were registered to vote. Find out what states may permit you to vote absentee.
  • Dual citizens living in the United States or abroad
• Meet your state’s residency requirements
  • You can be experiencing homelessness and still meet these requirements.
• Are 18 years old on or before Election Day
  • In almost every state, you can register to vote before you turn 18 if you will be 18 by Election Day.
  • Some states allow 17-year-olds who will be 18 by Election Day to vote in primaries.
• Are registered to vote by your state's voter registration deadline. North Dakota does not require voter registration.

 

[Developereo]

"Under this program, a deluge of illegals will be given immediate green cards and put on the fast track to rapid citizenship so they can vote."

You can't vote in US federal election if you are not a citizen (You can vote in local election (If allowed) but not Federal Election), green card holder is NOT YET a citizen, you need 5 + years to naturalise and become one, by then it would be 2 election cycle

Who can and cannot vote | USAGov

Can you vote in federal, state, and local elections? Learn about qualifications such as citizenship, minimum age, registration, and more.

www.usa.gov

Who can vote?​

You can vote in U.S. federal, state, and local elections if you:

• Are a U.S. citizen (some areas allow non-citizens to vote in local elections only), including:
  • U.S. citizens living outside of the United States. Learn more from the U.S. Department of State about voting as a U.S. citizen abroad.
  • U.S. citizens who were born abroad and have never lived in the United States. Your eligibility to vote is based on the state where your parents last lived or were registered to vote. Find out what states may permit you to vote absentee.
  • Dual citizens living in the United States or abroad
• Meet your state’s residency requirements
  • You can be experiencing homelessness and still meet these requirements.
• Are 18 years old on or before Election Day
  • In almost every state, you can register to vote before you turn 18 if you will be 18 by Election Day.
  • Some states allow 17-year-olds who will be 18 by Election Day to vote in primaries.
• Are registered to vote by your state's voter registration deadline. North Dakota does not require voter registration.

It's a medium and long term plan.

I am sure everyone involved knows that green card holders can't vote in US elections.

 

[j_hungary]

It's a medium and long term plan.

I am sure everyone involved knows that green card holders can't vote in US elections.

Trump probably be dead in 5 years (He is 78) so this probably have nothing to do with him or this election cycle per se.

If so, then what the rush?

 

[Developereo]

Trump probably be dead in 5 years (He is 78) so this probably have nothing to do with him or this election cycle per se.

The plan has nothing to do with Trump specifically.

It is a medium and long term strategy by the Democratic Party because they feel that the demographic mix of illegal aliens will vote overwhelmingly Democrat once they become US citizens.

If so, then what the rush?

Get the illegals processed before the next POTUS/Congress combo nixes the plan? I don't know if the USCIS has become super efficient of late, LOL.

 

[j_hungary]

The plan has nothing to do with Trump specifically.

It is a medium and long term strategy by the Democratic Party because they feel that the demographic mix of illegal aliens will vote overwhelmingly Democrat once they become US citizens.

You misread my point.

If these people getting green card have to go thru the same naturalisation process, then what the rush? That would have been the same as everyone else who otherwise would have been on their green card.

Before you said anything about these people is getting green card for nothing, well, US is the only country on this earth giving out green card for nothing as part of green card lottery.

Electronic Diversity Visa

Beside, these people are eventually gonna get a visa as you need to be married to a US Citizens to be benefited from this scheme anyway.

It wouldn't be any different than anyone who get their green card and vote for the dem. Plus, dem have no control how these people gonna vote in the future, same as everyone else.

Get the illegals processed before the next POTUS/Congress combo nixes the plan? I don't know if the USCIS has become super efficient of late, LOL.

huh? You do know Biden can do it with executive order and order CIS to process the illegal, right? It does not need congress approval as this is directly related to federal government function. If he wanted it, he would have done it with an executive order.

 

[Yommie]

@RabzonKhan

Kamala is toast. I will have my revenge. Democrats permanently damaged my heart with their covid vaccine mandate. I hate Democrats.

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[Developereo]

You misread my point.

If these people getting green card have to go thru the same naturalisation process, then what the rush? That would have been the same as everyone else who otherwise would have been on their green card.

Before you said anything about these people is getting green card for nothing, well, US is the only country on this earth giving out green card for nothing as part of green card lottery.

Electronic Diversity Visa

It's got nothing to do with any visa lottery.

Beside, these people are eventually gonna get a visa as you need to be married to a US Citizens to be benefited from this scheme anyway.

Anyone who has committed immigration fraud and is out of status can be deported and barred from entering the country for ten years. Their application for adjustment to legal status can be refused. It doesn't matter if they are married to a US citizen; it doesn't matter if they are married to the President of the United States.

This penalty can be waived by a judge or by some sort of amnesty, as the Dems are doing.

It wouldn't be any different than anyone who get their green card and vote for the dem. Plus, dem have no control how these people gonna vote in the future, same as everyone else.

Of course no one can predict any individual's future actions but demographic trends are studied and well known. Campaign strategies are based on observed demographic trends, not individual actions.

huh? You do know Biden can do it with executive order and order CIS to process the illegal, right? It does not need congress approval as this is directly related to federal government function. If he wanted it, he would have done it with an executive order.

Anything done by an executive order can be undone by the next POTUS executive action or by Congress, as we already discussed elsewhere.

The point is that it is much harder to deport someone who is in status than someone who is out of status. The whole game plan for Dems is to make as many illegals in status as quickly as possible so they can not be deported even if the administration changes.

 

[j_hungary]

It's got nothing to do with any visa lottery.

That's just an example

Anyone who has committed immigration fraud and is out of status can be deported and barred from entering the country for ten years. Their application for adjustment to legal status can be refused. It doesn't matter if they are married to a US citizen; it doesn't matter if they are married to the President of the United States.

This penalty can be waived by a judge or by some sort of amnesty, as the Dems are doing.

First of all, this is not always applies, and usually only applies to actual fraud (like fake marriage or counterfeiting document, or any sort of felony had been committed) Notice that no deportation can happen until a judge sign off, that is the policy since Reagan admin (and last changed by Clinton Admin)

This is the USC about deportation

8 U.S. Code § 1227 - Deportable aliens

www.law.cornell.edu

Notice that illegal entry alone is not listed as a clause to be deported.

On the other hand, Section 1186a (c) (4)already qualified for a hardship waiver for any such case if removed. They can still apply for the spouse visa out of state and be granted one and land in the US even if deported. And people who are qualified under this plan would have high chance on a hardship waiver anyway, you have to be married over 10 years, have children and have a job in the US.

So again, this did nothing. As these people will have a visa regardless (it's not like you are barring them for applying a K-visa forever) even at the worse case scenario when they were banned and bar from entering in 10 years, which mean you still can apply for a visa in 10 years if you can't get the hardship waiver. And if it's like you said it's a medium to long game, what is the different between having to wait for 5 years and having to wait for 10?

Of course no one can predict any individual's future actions but demographic trends are studied and well known. Campaign strategies are based on observed demographic trends, not individual actions.

It only works if this is a short-term scheme, if it is like you said it's mid-long term, campaign strategy NOW won't apply in 2 or more election cycle. People preference WILL change, social problem/issue WILL change in 5+ years, I mean would Hilary Clinton Campaign Strategy (can't use Trump as he was in the last 2) still applies in Harris case??

Anything done by an executive order can be undone by the next POTUS executive action or by Congress, as we already discussed elsewhere.

The point is that it is much harder to deport someone who is in status than someone who is out of status. The whole game plan for Dems is to make as many illegals in status as quickly as possible so they can not be deported even if the administration changes.

This is not what I meant, what I meant is, if Biden wanted to do that as some kind of grand plan to sway vote, he could have done it on Day 1 in 2021 with an executive order, do notice that you can't backdate executive order, which mean if this is his plan to get more illegal to vote for him or the dem, he would have 4 years to maximise this already, that would have however much illegal alien turn legal ALREADY, why wait until the end of his political career to do that?

And again, they CAN'T be deported anyway unless they have actually committed crime as per 18 USC 8 1227, again, what's the point? Might as well just give them the green card if they are going to get it anyway

 

[Developereo]

And again, they CAN'T be deported anyway unless they have actually committed crime as per USC 8, again

I specifically wrote 'out of status'. Once you are out of status then, regardless of how you entered, you have violated immigration laws and can be deported. I also wrote how a judge or amnesty laws can save a person.

A person who entered illegally but has since converted to legal status is no longer 'out of status'. A person who entered legally but overstayed their visa is 'out of status'.

, what's the point?

All you did was to confirm every single thing I wrote.

The point, which I already stated and people can read in my earlier post so there is no point in me repeating it, is that the Dems are playing the demographic lottery based on past voting patterns. Again, no one is counting on individual actions, but demographic patterns.