TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Turki bin Bandar Al Saud is one of the grandchildren of Queen Iffet, the Turkish-origin wife of the murdered King Faisal of Saudi Arabia

This branch of the royal family is close to Turkiye

Martyred.....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

According to Rtd Col Gucluer, KAAN is going through a "geometric" modification in the air frame to enhance its stealth characteristics. Moreover, an especial instrument is being developed to instruct the pilot to change its flying position to avoid the enemy radar signals to minimize its signature....

As for the indigenous engines for KAAN, the engineers want to synchronize its development with the modifications in the fuselage and tail parts to house them. They're that close to finishing it, and that dead sure they will make it....

As for avoiding the radar signals to detect it during opening and closing of the internal bays to fire the missiles and SOMs, this action needs to be dead fast. They've implemented a system, similar to that for F-35s, to realize it....

Failure is no option for KAAN......

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[PakAl]

Our TEI and TR-MOTOR are not "overenthusiastic" guys
İf they say something that means they can develop turbofan Engine

Maybe there will be a delay of a few years at most, but eventually they will succeed

They have proven this so far with the TEI TS-1400 Engine
No more we need USA for Helicopter Engines

This was a dream 8 years ago, but Türkiye has become one of the 6 countries in the world in this field.


The next is turbofan Engine .. TF-6.000 , TF-10.000 and in finally TF-35.000
Wait and See

Thanks to American embargoes which forced Turkiye to develop its own advanced defense Industry

Turkey will be able to build Kaan, although the engine will be a big issue, from TF-10,000 to 35,000 is a big jump but Turkey will accomplish this. The backup will be temporary Russian or Chinese engine so Kaan is definitely coming, after 2030s it will go in to mass production.

 

[Deino]

Turkey will be able to build Kaan, although the engine will be a big issue, from TF-10,000 to 35,000 is a big jump but Turkey will accomplish this. The backup will be temporary Russian or Chinese engine so Kaan is definitely coming, after 2030s it will go in to mass production.

Honestly, it makes no sense to install yet another interim engine and even more so not a Chinese nor Russian one since none would sell their latest engines (WS-10C or WS-15 and AL-51F) and it would require yet another redesign … IMO unrealistic and a waste of time & resources

 

[hyperman]

Honestly, it makes no sense to install yet another interim engine and even more so not a Chinese nor Russian one since none would sell their latest engines (WS-10C or WS-15 and AL-51F) and it would require yet another redesign … IMO unrealistic and a waste of time & resources

Russia would sell the AL-51, depending on the right geopolitical circumstances. Namely a chance to pry Turkey away from the West, if such a scenario emerges, Putin made that obvious after the coup attempt where he offered the S-400, and even offered transfer of tech and local manufacturing, before Turkey balked due to US pressure after the first battery was delivered.

The WS-10Bs are already being exported with J-10C to various states, not sure if the WS-10C is some sort of unimaginable export possibility.

 

[Deino]

Russia would sell the AL-51, depending on the right geopolitical circumstances. Namely a chance to pry Turkey away from the West, if such a scenario emerges, Putin made that obvious after the coup attempt where he offered the S-400, and even offered transfer of tech and local manufacturing, before Turkey balked due to US pressure after the first battery was delivered.

The WS-10Bs are already being exported with J-10C to various states, not sure if the WS-10C is some sort of unimaginable export possibility.

I’m still convinced this won’t be the case - by the way, selling J-10C with WS-10B is a different story to selling the engine alone and also, the WS-10B won’t make a big difference to the current F110 other than it would require a redesign, and the J-20’s engines be that the WS-10C or Ws-15 are never ever for sale! Just forget it!! - even more it makes technically no sense to redesign the aircraft just for an interim engine.

 

[hyperman]

Im still convinced this won’t be the case and even more it makes technically no sense to redesign the aircraft just for an interim engine

We are discussing a contingency scenario where the GE F110 gets embargoed, and the TF35000 isn't ready.

Its not a complete redesign of the aircraft, its a redesign to reengine the aircraft, the time required is less as the other subsystems unrelated to the engine are not needed to be be developed a second time.

btw, this isn't necessarily a hypothetical that we here are speculating on, the possibility of an alternative engine supplier was discussed in a interview 1-2 years back by Ismael Demir when asked in an interview, he mentioned they had held talks with a "3rd country" and had received a willingness from them to sell to Turkey(but this route hasn't been pursued for obvious reasons). There are really only 2 countries that produce an engine in this category, considering the Europeans don't have such an engine, people speculated it was China or Russia, both of which Turkey has done business with before.

 

[guangdongt]

The core engine technology of WS10 comes from the civilian engine CFM-56 jointly developed by France and the United States, while Russia's engine technology originates from the Soviet Union. What is the technical origin of Türkiye's TF35000? Currently, Kaan is using American made engines. If a non Western system engine is used, would the intake duct and fuselage need to be redesigned?

 

[hyperman]

The core engine technology of WS10 comes from the civilian engine CFM-56 jointly developed by France and the United States, while Russia's engine technology originates from the Soviet Union. What is the technical origin of Türkiye's TF35000? Currently, Kaan is using American made engines. If a non Western system engine is used, would the intake duct and fuselage need to be redesigned?

Turkey License Manufactures the GE F110 in Turkey for it F-16s, since the beginning of the F-16 program. Thats where the experience comes for turbofans.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The core engine technology of WS10 comes from the civilian engine CFM-56 jointly developed by France and the United States, while Russia's engine technology originates from the Soviet Union. What is the technical origin of Türkiye's TF35000? Currently, Kaan is using American made engines. If a non Western system engine is used, would the intake duct and fuselage need to be redesigned?

According to a Turkish defense analyst Col Gucluer (rtd) at a recent TV show, the fuselage and tail sections of a KAAN prototype is being modified to house TEI 35k lb engine. It implies the design of that engine, at the least geometry-wise, is almost finalized.....

 

[hyperman]

Hurjet went Supersonic.

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[hyperman]

Second Hurjet flight scheduled for October 29

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[FuturePAF]

According to Rtd Col Gucluer, KAAN is going through a "geometric" modification in the air frame to enhance its stealth characteristics. Moreover, an especial instrument is being developed to instruct the pilot to change its flying position to avoid the enemy radar signals to minimize its signature....

As for the indigenous engines for KAAN, the engineers want to synchronize its development with the modifications in the fuselage and tail parts to house them. They're that close to finishing it, and that dead sure they will make it....

As for avoiding the radar signals to detect it during opening and closing of the internal bays to fire the missiles and SOMs, this action needs to be dead fast. They've implemented a system, similar to that for F-35s, to realize it....

Failure is no option for KAAN......

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Türkiye made the F-35 center fuselage, so it must have made the parts where the gun went. Will the T-FX also feature a gun in the same spot?

TAI Delivers First Turkish JSF/F-35 Center Fuselage

www.defenceturkey.com

 

[hyperman]

Türkiye made the F-35 center fuselage, so it must have made the parts where the gun went. Will the T-FX also feature a gun in the same spot?

TAI Delivers First Turkish JSF/F-35 Center Fuselage

www.defenceturkey.com

some reports said yes, but I wouldn't put it there personally, its dead weight(and quite a lot of weight).

the era of dogfights are over, if you are up close and need to maneuver and use a gun, something has gone wrong.

The plane is meant for Air to Air and shooting standoff air to ground munitions, if you are doing close air support with a gun with a platform like this, its a waste, and frankly unreasonable risk considering dedicated cheaper close air support with drones and speciality aircraft is far less risky.

If there is ever truly a need for gun, they are better off adding a Gun pod for certian missions, rather than building a dedicated gun, bc the that weight will be there even when you don't need the gun.

The J-20 went in the right direction and didn't include a gun, and all 6th gen designs we have seen have excluded the gun, infact some 6th gen designs have emphasized stealth over even maneuverability.