PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Oscar]

Hi,

Thank you---. This has become very difficult for haters to comprehend

Unfortunately - they are assuming that SPECTRA is some unified entity where in reality it is a combination of distributed sensors/emitters - a processing core and associated data stores.

Where the J-10C has upped the Rafale in the threat configuration it faces is in the processing core and the type of sensor emitters. Just assuming that the french catered for the AIM-120C or J-10 in their design is folly because the underlying architecture did not change until F4.

 

[Oscar]

Oh really ... sorry, but these are again just fan-boy's dreams like so many similar dreams in the Indian section: As such you should calm down a bit and come back to reality ...

- "PAF should have gone for local production" ... if China would have allowed!
- "PAF should have acquired ~100 of them quickly" ... if Pakistan's current economic situation would have made this realistic!
- "It seems China has not only caught up to Europe but surpassed it" ... indeed an interesting perception but surely not up to reality!
- "Rafel is the best European fighter" ... I'm pretty sure Eurofighter disagrees!
- "J10 is the third best Chinese fighter after J20 and J31/j35" ... clearly not, you forgot the J-16 and J-15B
- "And the JF17C, which rubs salt on European wounds" ... sorry, but that's the joke of the day!
- For Chinese and Pakistani airforce, there is nothing in Europe superior to J10CP and JF-17C. ... only to be topped by this sentence! What about Rafale & Eurofighter and surely the Gripen-E is also superior to the JF-17C! And for the J-10CE, yes, it's a formidable beast, but look at the PAF's numbers!

The issue with these comparisons is that they often oversimplify complex systems by focusing on individual elements in a simplified unity rather than considering the broader picture. The J-10CP, for instance, isn’t just an airframe; it’s a sophisticated combination of engine, radar, mission computers, sensors, and weapons systems integrated into a complex architecture. This includes possibly superior EW antenna arrays with Active ESA, even if they aren’t as distributed as the Spectra system on the Rafale. The processing system in the J-10CP also adds to its capabilities, particularly in terms of electronic warfare.

To claim the J-10C is superior to Rafale requires much more nuance. Both aircraft function within distinct operational doctrines and tactical environments. It’s important to consider how these integrated systems—such as EW, radar, and mission computing—work within their respective air forces, and how they are intended to be deployed.

A proper evaluation would also involve the role these systems play within a larger framework, including mission types and overall strategies. While the Rafale, Eurofighter, and Gripen-E have their own strengths depending on how they are deployed, the J-10CP has its own advantages under different operational conditions just as the Jf-17C incorporates some of that tech.

Direct comparisons often miss the fact that superiority isn’t determined by one feature or capability alone but by how well these systems are integrated and used in a given context. Hence, these statements need a much deeper analysis that goes beyond simple comparisons of individual specifications.

 

[studsmart]

Oh really ... sorry, but these are again just fan-boy's dreams like so many similar dreams in the Indian section: As such you should calm down a bit and come back to reality ...

- "PAF should have gone for local production" ... if China would have allowed!
- "PAF should have acquired ~100 of them quickly" ... if Pakistan's current economic situation would have made this realistic!
- "It seems China has not only caught up to Europe but surpassed it" ... indeed an interesting perception but surely not up to reality!
- "Rafel is the best European fighter" ... I'm pretty sure Eurofighter disagrees!
- "J10 is the third best Chinese fighter after J20 and J31/j35" ... clearly not, you forgot the J-16 and J-15B
- "And the JF17C, which rubs salt on European wounds" ... sorry, but that's the joke of the day!
- For Chinese and Pakistani airforce, there is nothing in Europe superior to J10CP and JF-17C. ... only to be topped by this sentence! What about Rafale & Eurofighter and surely the Gripen-E is also superior to the JF-17C! And for the J-10CE, yes, it's a formidable beast, but look at the PAF's numbers!

Your response was not required .. please wigh-in to see what is needed

just because rafel is the best europen fighter does not mean it is the best in the world

J16 and j15 are su-27/su-30 highly upgraded in china not chinses from groud up ..yes yes yes j10 has some Israeli connection lets get over it

And the JF17C, which rubs salt on European wounds" ... sorry, but that's the joke of the day! --> prove it

For Chinese and Pakistani airforce, there is nothing in Europe superior to J10CP and JF-17C. ... only to be topped by this sentence! What about Rafale & Eurofighter and surely the Gripen-E is also superior to the JF-17C! And for the J-10CE, yes, it's a formidable beast, but look at the PAF's numbers! --> i was not talking numbers but mere j10CP and european fighters offered in the table. Yes JF17C is no Gripen-E but it is right up there in the vicinity of 4++ gen fighters on the world stage. This was not possible 20 years ago where europe was leading in all aspects of technology. That is not the case

again your response was not needed try to skip things when not required. be respectful

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Sir---we have one main enemy---. The enemy has procured an X amount of Rafales---. We have countered with an X # of our units as well.

We are waiting and seeing what changes would be in the next batch---then we will counter accordingly---.

Our procurement and delivery is extremely fast---so there is no reason to just add up the units.

So once the next batch of Rafales come in---the enemy air force would reach a certain plateau---we can then counter it as we please.

Local production is senseless---. That would put the production line as a target for the enemy---.

Hi,

And this is what has made the enemy crying out loud and running around in circles---.

There much vaunted F3 ( I believe ) Blk is a step behind the J-10C's---& when the F4 lands---the coming J-10C's would counter them as well.

The enemy---in its grand planning of things never expected that to happen---.

Now they are crushed by their decision---paying 161 Million dollars for the F4 version each that would be neutered by a 50 million dollar J10 Blk D---.

You can hear the screams of their defense analysts on youtube---their air marshals are commenting senseless---.

It truly has reached a stage where they will fall into the lap of the USA like a ripe mango falling from the tree---and when the USA will have them by giving them the F-35 and taking away their sovreignty---the 'bobble heads' would find no mercy from the Yankees---.

Then they will find out the truth about t=what the proverbial " KILL SWITCHES " can do---.

 

[MastanKhan]

Yes JF17C is no Gripen-E but it is right up there in the vicinity of 4++ gen fighters on the world stage. This was not possible 20 years ago where europe was leading in all aspects of technology. That is not the case

again your response was not needed try to skip things when not required. be respectful

Hi,

How would you know the BLK 3 is no Gripen E---?

Our enemy is not Gripen E nor the Eurofighter---it is the Rafale F3 and the future F4---. It is not in the future scenario---.

If Gripen E or the eurofighter was to come to the stage---we would counter it as the need be---.

Gripen E maybe going to Brazil---Thailand---Philipines---those are not our enemy nations and no one surrounding us has intentions of getting the eurofighters either---.

 

[Deino]

Your response was not required .. please wigh-in to see what is needed

Since it ruins your illusions?

just because rafel is the best europen fighter does not mean it is the best in the world

I never claimed thsi, another stupid comment from your side, even more I noted, it is not for sure "the best europen fighter"

And the JF17C, which rubs salt on European wounds" ... sorry, but that's the joke of the day! --> prove it

You made a stupid claim like "the sky is green", so it's up to you to prove, the "JF17C, which rubs salt on European wounds", not mine!

again your response was not needed try to skip things when not required. be respectful

Again, since it does not fit your world of illusions or lala-land?

 

[gusto]

Hi,

And this is what has made the enemy crying out loud and running around in circles---.

There much vaunted F3 ( I believe ) Blk is a step behind the J-10C's---& when the F4 lands---the coming J-10C's would counter them as well.

The enemy---in its grand planning of things never expected that to happen---.

Now they are crushed by their decision---paying 161 Million dollars for the F4 version each that would be neutered by a 50 million dollar J10 Blk D---.

You can hear the screams of their defense analysts on youtube---their air marshals are commenting senseless---.

It truly has reached a stage where they will fall into the lap of the USA like a ripe mango falling from the tree---and when the USA will have them by giving them the F-35 and taking away their sovreignty---the 'bobble heads' would find no mercy from the Yankees---.

Then they will find out the truth about t=what the proverbial " KILL SWITCHES " can do---.

how desperate i am, waiting on it. let them taste the merciless favors.

 

[studsmart]

Since it ruins your illusions?


I never claimed thsi, another stupid comment from your side, even more I noted, it is not for sure "the best europen fighter"


You made a stupid claim like "the sky is green", so it's up to you to prove, the "JF17C, which rubs salt on European wounds", not mine!


Again, since it does not fit your world of illusions or lala-land?

you dont deserve my response

move on

 

[studsmart]

Hi,

How would you know the BLK 3 is no Gripen E---?

Our enemy is not Gripen E nor the Eurofighter---it is the Rafale F3 and the future F4---. It is not in the future scenario---.

If Gripen E or the eurofighter was to come to the stage---we would counter it as the need be---.

Gripen E maybe going to Brazil---Thailand---Philipines---those are not our enemy nations and no one surrounding us has intentions of getting the eurofighters either---.

you are right i dont know much details. JF17C is a good 4++ gen fighter. I need to learn a bit more about Gripen E.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[mythbuster]

The issue with these comparisons is that they often oversimplify complex systems by focusing on individual elements in a simplified unity rather than considering the broader picture. The J-10CP, for instance, isn’t just an airframe; it’s a sophisticated combination of engine, radar, mission computers, sensors, and weapons systems integrated into a complex architecture. This includes possibly superior EW antenna arrays with Active ESA, even if they aren’t as distributed as the Spectra system on the Rafale. The processing system in the J-10CP also adds to its capabilities, particularly in terms of electronic warfare.

To claim the J-10C is superior to Rafale requires much more nuance. Both aircraft function within distinct operational doctrines and tactical environments. It’s important to consider how these integrated systems—such as EW, radar, and mission computing—work within their respective air forces, and how they are intended to be deployed.

A proper evaluation would also involve the role these systems play within a larger framework, including mission types and overall strategies. While the Rafale, Eurofighter, and Gripen-E have their own strengths depending on how they are deployed, the J-10CP has its own advantages under different operational conditions just as the Jf-17C incorporates some of that tech.

Direct comparisons often miss the fact that superiority isn’t determined by one feature or capability alone but by how well these systems are integrated and used in a given context. Hence, these statements need a much deeper analysis that goes beyond simple comparisons of individual specifications.

If you don't mind my asking : are you aronautical engineer ? I got my ppl few decades ago then stopped flying ( lack of cash ) .

 

[Deino]

you dont deserve my response

move on

Says a six year old pupil to a teacher!

 

[falcon34]

Says a six year old pupil to a teacher!

ffs dude, why you have to be an ass, your proved everytime wrong here. just fluff off.

 

[Oscar]

If you don't mind my asking : are you aronautical engineer ? I got my ppl few decades ago then stopped flying ( lack of cash ) .

No
I wanted to fly and nothing else - although I almost became one until Acdre Rizwan Shaheed plainly told me to get out of Pakistan and not go into the system. May Allah bless him for his inception that led to my success today.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

@Deino enjoying love of young defence enthusiasts Man! sometime yours response is really don't required.