PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Oscar]

This article provides a good insight into the unique capabilities of Gripen. And it's not necessarily about its A2A or A2G specs.

Dispersed Operations: How Saab Pioneered The Concept

The need for dispersed operations, where fighter aircraft can operate from far flung locations, is being recognised across the globe. But did you know that Saab pioneered this concept decades ago?

www.saab.com

IMO, given the lack sanctuary and the magnitude of threat to the main air bases posed by peer adversaries, every air force should aim for something like this with its fighter platforms. I am curious if similar CONOPS can be executed with JF17 B3 or J10C? Has PAF and PLAAF experimented with this? @Deino

Not to the extent it wants but both IAF and PAF have quite a few satellite bases now that they can use -

The Gripen’s short field capabilities are unmatched but they don’t line up with the priorities for PAF which was cost effectiveness.

Im not sure of J-10s short field capabilities.

Ironically, this lack of dispersion was identified as a key gap by PAF post 71 and was worked on

 

[Dreamer]

I don't know about J-10C but JF-17 have done trials long ago on using normal roads(motorway) as their runways.

 

[ThrustVector998]

I don't know about J-10C but JF-17 have done trials long ago on using normal roads(motorway) as their runways.

No I don't think so
Share proof otherwise. Afaik, only mirages, F7, K8s and Mushaks have done landings on Motorways.

 

[CombatCorner]

 

[MastanKhan]

This is a photo of PLAAF's J10C and J16 flying side by side, so we can visualize the contrast between these two fighters.
I would like to remind some friends. the J10C is just a very ordinary fighter in the PLAAF's fighter sequence. Its capability is very limited, don't over exaggerate its capability. ......
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Hi,

Oh poor baby---only if your wishes were horses---you could fly all over Taiwan in your chariot--.

 

[Jango]

My baby brother too was fond of flying Helis .... He died when his mushak crashed at the age of 24 .

Extremely sorry to hear about your loss.

Aviation is always dangerous work.

 

[studsmart]

This is a photo of PLAAF's J10C and J16 flying side by side, so we can visualize the contrast between these two fighters.
I would like to remind some friends. the J10C is just a very ordinary fighter in the PLAAF's fighter sequence. Its capability is very limited, don't over exaggerate its capability. ......
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you mean fighter size dictates the capability> really?

 

[Hussain]

This is a photo of PLAAF's J10C and J16 flying side by side, so we can visualize the contrast between these two fighters.
I would like to remind some friends. the J10C is just a very ordinary fighter in the PLAAF's fighter sequence. Its capability is very limited, don't over exaggerate its capability. ......
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You are not going to believe this, but when the F16 first flew, those very words were said....

 

[Oscar]

Extremely sorry to hear about your loss.

Aviation is always dangerous work.

Well - I disagree with that statement

And @mythbuster I don’t mean to downplay in anyway your loss

But things from a percentage perspective go a lot less wrong in aviation versus other means of transportation. However, the problem is when they do both due to the overall energy(both kinetic and potential) of the shell that houses you and limited options at times - the survival rate from aviation accidents are low. It is an aluminum shell after all - and while cars use aluminum (to use a very simplified analogy) they don’t travel at the speeds nor have the same energy as aircraft (unless you think about F1 cars) - more importantly - loss of power control may not always be as severe of a consequence in automobiles, ships or even trains but it almost always a dangerous situation for aircraft.

Regardless - enough off topic but spirited defense of aviation.

 

[Oscar]

You are not going to believe this, but when the F16 first flew, those very words were said....

He may be speaking from a relative perspective - the J-10 does not have the range, payload or electric generation capacity that a J-16 has - however, put the J-10C against a Taiwanese F-16V and its a different comparison. Regardless- it’s still a 1:1 aspect and not looking at the system-system meld of it.

 

[Jango]

Well - I disagree with that statement

And @mythbuster I don’t mean to downplay in anyway your loss

100% agree

But things from a percentage perspective go a lot less wrong in aviation versus other means of transportation. However, the problem is when they do both due to the overall energy(both kinetic and potential) of the shell that houses you and limited options at times - the survival rate from aviation accidents are low. It is an aluminum shell after all - and while cars use aluminum (to use a very simplified analogy) they don’t travel at the speeds nor have the same energy as aircraft (unless you think about F1 cars) - more importantly - loss of power control may not always be as severe of a consequence in automobiles, ships or even trains but it almost always a dangerous situation for aircraft.

And agree again.

My point was alluding more to the nature of the job in military aviation specifically, where you at times get put in situations where you wouldn't find yourselves normally in. Case in point, the recent Washington state crash of the EA-18's.

Actually I searched for the accident rates for military vs civil aircraft, and it's around 1.5 vs 6 accidents per 100,000 flight hours. Pretty wide gap.

 

[Oscar]

Hi,

After the loss of couple of my siblings---my mother would not let me go to the military.

Perhaps that was a mistake - there was a dire need for educated middle class to join instead of letting a certain cabal of mediocrity take stead. But then, it’s fighting a system that needs more than just one change agent.

 

[Michael]

you mean fighter size dictates the capability> really?

In the absence of generational differences in the internal systems of a fighter, the size of the fighter determines the capabilities of the fighter. A larger airframe can accommodate a larger radar that can detect and attack at a greater distance. Larger airframes can carry more or heavier payloads and have longer operational ranges.

Of course, a larger airframe means that it will consume more fuel and cost more money. At the same time, a larger airframe means a larger RCS for the same technology, and if you don't have the need for a longer range, a smaller airframe offers a better price/performance ratio.

Again, this is based on the premise that there is no generational difference. For example, between the J10CE and the Su30MKI, there is a huge generation difference in internal electronics, and they can't be compared simply by fuselage size.

 

[MastanKhan]

Perhaps that was a mistake - there was a dire need for educated middle class to join instead of letting a certain cabal of mediocrity take stead. But then, it’s fighting a system that needs more than just one change agent.

Hi,

Yes it was---and I have always regretted it---.

 

[Hussain]

A larger airframe can accommodate a larger radar that can detect and attack at a greater distance.

Data Link via AWACS, other airborne & ground assets, usually takes care of this?