Having said you agreed with my initial point and sentiment you then disagreed with everything else
Well, that was a nice way of disagreeing, I thought!
You don't rate Huawei?or polar...
But then I agree, the USA and West are still generally much ahead in other places, but you don't get access without allegiance
I never said, nor implied, that there was NO innovation within China. I am not picking out specific cases for the simple reason that we do not know when hijacked ideas were re-purposed.
But then I agree, the USA and West are still generally much ahead in other places, but you don't get access without allegiance
True. QED.
Before considering deeper integration with china in manufacturing you need to decide your alignment, the USA will demand the same. India does not have enough time to wait for indigenisation and the USA is far from being considered spent right now, a wounded animal is no danger, nope the opposite
Where? On what? Show me what we need to integrate. Their car makers have run away, their white goods manufacturers have never established themselves, it's essentially defence products that they sell us, and we aren't trying to fiddle with those, or thinking of deeper integration with the US, something that they will never allow.
This so-called integration in manufacturing that I have been talking about is not so much about interlinking stages in the manufacturing process, so,
I - I - C - C - C -I
No, not that, not at all. Let me work on a graphic that will show what I mean. It will take time so expect it when you see it.
I think recent history supports two camps model, you had communism or western capitalism
And to take you up on that, whom did we join?
You had George Bush you are with us or against us wot
Who remained unaffected?
I rather thought we did. Where did we toe the American line?
We look to be moving into an east Vs west dichotomy........oh yes we are Joe, I could write much more, it's not only a sterile mechanical discussion on supply chains and chips, it's about your societies value systems (something I am sure you ponder), a russian spokesperson on Indian TV was it pains to emphasise this aspect to BRICS, the shared value.... of having actual values you want to preserve.
I find it difficult to describe India to those who don't know about it, and try to fit into some round hole that they have described.
Indian values, Indian social values, are oriental, no doubt about it. We tried to move beyond it, and it did not work, that too is true. We also recognise (within liberal circles, not within the ranks of those going around kissing cows' butt-holes) that we need to move away from SOME aspects of it.
Think of us as a million societies, with that many gradations and differences in social values, completely unthinkable in Pakistan, completely unthinkable in China. Trying to stuff India into the Asian camp merely on the strength of seeming to have social values similar to theirs, or identical with theirs, doesn't really work.
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