India Blocks Turkey’s BRICS Bid Over Pakistan Ties

[Joe Shearer]

Come on Joe, you don't think they know where they are going, wowwww

If they know where they are going, they have a death-wish.

 

[Awwad]

I think there is a strong realization among BRICS members that India is an odd member in this group. India is the most important ally of the United States, It has tremendous businesses interests with the US. It has strategic alliances & agreements with the United States. India has strongest defense ties with the US. India is a beneficiary of dollar led economy. BRICS can never achieve its full realization with india in it. Either India has to shift its stance more towards global south + China / Russia OR BRICS need to cut away from the india. Otherwise, BRICS will remain a ceremonial organisation without any practicality.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I think the national Indian character, yes I am going there, to the extent it exists, thrives in grey areas and promises of more to come with amenable stake holders

What we will learn is the handling of black and white questions forcefully posed, will be interesting

It isn't that, it's about our history, our colonial history.

We didn't lick the backsides of the colonial masters, but the founders of a parallel state did, and got their ends.

In spite of the Anglophile of some of the best Indian leaders, there was that opposed urge to shadow, with some distancing, the effort to create a more equal society in Soviet Russia, an effort that was also largely, ideologically, a European effort.

So there was this distance right from the outset, and only the hammering that a politically debilitated Army got at the hands of the PLA broke down some of the barriers, and make India reach out to the US. Not to the UK, that throughout the post-independence period played a more extreme game of baiting the republic than the Americans did, but with much less grand-standing. Of course, there was the steely realisation that grew over the years, that the west was definitely not friendly, and this was reinforced both in 1965 and in 1971. This was not a passing whim, but lasted until Manmohan Singh's Prime Ministership.

I somehow am unable to understand your sustained effort to show that India had the same but opposite positioning as Pakistan, that there was no difference between the two. It might seem convenient, and might create an illusion of natural symmetry, but that kind of desktop natural symmetry is not always reflective of reality.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I think the national Indian character, yes I am going there, to the extent it exists, thrives in grey areas and promises of more to come with amenable stake holders

What we will learn is the handling of black and white questions forcefully posed, will be interesting




Will you support a US defence of Taiwan?

Will you throw your heft behind a brics currency?

Will you substantially buy more strategic Russian weapons?



Answers to these live questions will either please or displease, I am just repeating myself right now

Let the questions be asked, first. The first two are hypothetical; the third has been answered in full.

 

[Joe Shearer]

What is the purpose of QUAD for India?


The four Quad members have played a major role in purposefully redefining the "Asia-Pacific" as the "Indo-Pacific", to deepen trans-regional ties between the Indian and Pacific Ocean areas, and to, in their words, deal more effectively with the rise of China in Asia, the Middle East and Africa.

Yes, true, but it is not acceptable even to the clowns who govern us at the centre that we should be invited to join a military alliance in embryo, while simultaneously our own terrorist gangs are given free play.

That does not imply approval of the Keystone Cops efforts by Doval and his crew to do a hit job on members of such gangs.

 

[r3alist]

If they know where they are going, they have a death-wish.

Then that's it, that's the actual answer!

 

[Joe Shearer]

I think there is a strong realization among BRICS members that India is an odd member in this group. India is the most important ally of the United States, It has tremendous businesses interests with the US. It has strategic alliances & agreements with the United States. India has strongest defense ties with the US. India is a beneficiary of dollar led economy. BRICS can never achieve its full realization with india in it. Either India has to shift its stance more towards global south + China / Russia OR BRICS need to cut away from the india. Otherwise, BRICS will remain a ceremonial organisation without any practicality.

Let us see. Frankly BRICS without India shrinks a lot.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Then that's it, that's the actual answer!

Of course, I am referring solely to Brazil and South Africa.

 

[r3alist]

It isn't that, it's about our history, our colonial history.

We didn't lick the backsides of the colonial masters, but the founders of a parallel state did, and got their ends.

In spite of the Anglophile of some of the best Indian leaders, there was that opposed urge to shadow, with some distancing, the effort to create a more equal society in Soviet Russia, an effort that was also largely, ideologically, a European effort.

So there was this distance right from the outset, and only the hammering that a politically debilitated Army got at the hands of the PLA broke down some of the barriers, and make India reach out to the US. Not to the UK, that throughout the post-independence period played a more extreme game of baiting the republic than the Americans did, but with much less grand-standing. Of course, there was the steely realisation that grew over the years, that the west was definitely not friendly, and this was reinforced both in 1965 and in 1971. This was not a passing whim, but lasted until Manmohan Singh's Prime Ministership.

I somehow am unable to understand your sustained effort to show that India had the same but opposite positioning as Pakistan, that there was no difference between the two. It might seem convenient, and might create an illusion of natural symmetry, but that kind of desktop natural symmetry is not always reflective of reality.

Forget Pakistan, I have in this discussion, there is no neat symmetry but they both have to work around given parameters, not set their own, true for most of the world

 

[r3alist]

Let us see. Frankly BRICS without India shrinks a lot.

It loses a vowel Joe, I grant you that's inconvenient

It's also gained another I, Iran

 

[r3alist]

Of course, I am referring solely to Brazil and South Africa.

That is still an answer

 

[MMM-E]

This is a fake news from an useless people like SINAN ULGEN


official info
The claim in some media outlets that “Turkey’s membership in BRICS was blocked by India” is not true.

The Extended Leaders’ Session held within the scope of the BRICS Summit held in Kazan, the capital of the Republic of Tatarstan, affiliated to Russia, and attended by our President Mr. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, did not bring up the membership process of other countries.

The process regarding the expansion of the BRICS community was not discussed at the summit. Therefore, the claim that India is blocking Turkey’s membership in BRICS does not reflect the truth.

Do not trust statements made outside official sources.

Presidency of Communications Directorate Countering Disinformation Center

Türkiye’nin BRICS’e üyeliğinin Hindistan tarafından engellendiği iddiasına ilişkin açıklama

Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Cumhurbaşkanlığı İletişim Başkanlığı Resmî Sitesi

www.iletisim.gov.tr

 

[hephaestus]

India received instructions from the US

India doesn't take instructions from US. We aren't dependent on IMF largesse like some countries are.

 

[hephaestus]

Pakistanphobia

Wow! This is a new one.

 

[Awwad]

Let us see. Frankly BRICS without India shrinks a lot.

It will shirk, that's true. But at the same time it will become functional. Atleast it will have common goals & agenda. BRICS is majorly viewed as alternate power group. Most nations in it wants to end dominance of the US. Countries like China, Russia, Iran are absolute anti of the US. However India is absolute ally of the US. In any organisation / group, the most vital aspect is commonality of goals & objectives. Otherwise the group cannot function. Common purpose is more important then size.