India Blocks Turkey’s BRICS Bid Over Pakistan Ties

[Kermit]

The original piece is published by Global Village Space, which is a US based anti-Pakistan publication.

It's wrong to to portray GVS in such light tbh, unless you believe only Halal Magazine (Pakistan based) or CENTCOM publications (U.S. Based) to be "Pro"-Pakistani only.

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[FHN]

Exactly, if the idea is create a counter to the problematic western order

Then it's a great idea and the objective should be to pull in vital countries like Turkey, Pakistan, Nigeria, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Venezuela etc etc etc

Countries that one way or the other could form a Powerful block in the future

However this cannot happen with primadonna states acting against collective interest,
The world doesn't need a BRICS that replaces the western order with another order just as stupid with states just as deluded and dangerous like India


It needs a system they can turn to when the western order oversteps and causes problems

BRICS has a chance to change the world but only if it can reign countries like India in or if needs be kick them out

In economics term, RCEP is more important to China than BRICS. Brics just like g7 is more of a talk forum not much else really.Brics Countries have not created an alternative system to swift but we will see in the coming years.china doesn't need BRICS bank it's the financier not the recipient.

 

[Pataliputra]

Although the news has been proven to be fake, India also blocked Pakistan's membership into BRICS even after the latter yearning publicly for one.
So much is the disrespect that Pakistan was neither invited for the summit (by Russia), nor was enlisted as a partner country (countries that seek full membership)
Terrible, horrible.
What can BRICS do without Pakistan, an emerging pole of Sooth Asia? BRICS cannot ever be complete without an important country like Pakistan, and hence it is destined to remain a failed group forever due to India's hegemonical behavior.

Pakistan has claimed that they’ll not only kick India out of BRICS but also replace the global financial system with a “Halal” BRICS currency.

 

[agidest]

You cite valid examples, truly solid

But the actual question is, can this continue indefinitely?


So i guess let's see what happens

It is hard for Pakistanis to understand what Indians mean when we say that we are our own camp. For Pakistanis, for reasons of history and their thought process thinking of India and Pakistan as equals, do not truly understand what we mean when we say we are our own camp.

We literally mean we will be the third super power and pole of the global economy. We are not beholden to the US or most definitely to China. We will support those who support our goals, we will not join any block because 'others' want us to do x or y or because they hate x or y.

Whether India succeeds or not is anyone's guess, but Indians are quite sure of what they want and are going to do.

 

[FHN]

There's no common BRICS currency it's just a pipe dream no saint country will give up control of its monetary system. Brics or not don't matter to China cause trade will continue. RCEP on the other hand is a real economic organization. China and Southeast Asia trade in recent years shows that.Brics is basically a show of force as an alternative to the West but I'm still skeptical about its usefulness. U guys don't have to fight over it

 

[hussain0216]

In economics term, RCEP is more important to China than BRICS. Brics just like g7 is more of a talk forum not much else really.Brics Countries have not created an alternative system to swift but we will see in the coming years.china doesn't need BRICS bank it's the financier not the recipient.

Exactly, China is vital and at the moment BRICS is a so so organisation

Steps now need to be taken to start replacing the current orders systems, if they can't do it then what's the point of just getting together to have tea and biscuits

BRICS is really about China and our relationship with China is already good, it's up to china to create a alternative to Swift

 

[hussain0216]

It is hard for Pakistanis to understand what Indians mean when we say that we are our own camp. For Pakistanis, for reasons of history and their thought process thinking of India and Pakistan as equals, do not truly understand what we mean when we say we are our own camp.

We literally mean we will be the third super power and pole of the global economy. We are not beholden to the US or most definitely to China. We will support those who support our goals, we will not join any block because 'others' want us to do x or y or because they hate x or y.

Whether India succeeds or not is anyone's guess, but Indians are quite sure of what they want and are going to do.

Everyone understands, but India is isolated in our region, it's not trusted by any regional state nor do those countries wish to see India creating trouble for the region and beyond because they understand that India is not a rational state due to its delusions of grandeur

 

[KAAFIR]

India, a lackey of the West and a country that doesn't even belong in BRICS is now blocking Turkey's bid to become a member of BRICS. The only spoiler and backstabber in BRICS is playing the role it has been assigned by the Western nations. Disrupt and destroy BRICS.

Well done India. Well done. Russia and China need to look at India very carefully. India is unreliable and frankly a major problem since it is in bed with the US and a firm member of the QUAD. India is the antithesis of China and Russia.

Just bcz you say so.
India did right to save BRICS from unworthy state. It will save a lot of time.

 

[FHN]

Exactly, China is vital and at the moment BRICS is a so so organisation

Steps now need to be taken to start replacing the current orders systems, if they can't do it then what's the point of just getting together to have tea and biscuits

BRICS is really about China and our relationship with China is already good, it's up to china to create a alternative to Swift

The closest to a swift alternative is CIPS. There are many participants already but I get your point. It's too early to tell right now if there a multi currency system in place in the coming years. In terms of investment in developing countries china doesn't lack the fund for it lol.honestly I see countries joining BRICS to get closer to China but Russia is just as important because its the world gas station with nukes. The Arctic is also home to lots of untapped oil and gas and guess who stands to benefit the most from it.

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[agidest]

Everyone understands, but India is isolated in our region, it's not trusted by any regional state nor do those countries wish to see India creating trouble for the region and beyond because they understand that India is not a rational state due to its delusions of grandeur

I don't think you understand that as long as India's economy continues to grow, not much else matters.

We have the influence we do globally not because they 'like' india. It's just because when you trade and work with India, your bread gets buttered.

 

[Guynextdoor]

It might not prove to be so smart for India and Indians to give support to Israel and silence on Gaza, sometimes the support was more than full throated

Also, any notion of alignment to global South yet support actual settler colonialism just won't sit together


Ok sure,I know the answer already... You have your interests...

And when did India give 'full support to Israel'? India's position on current situation, as always, is intelligent and balanced.

Are we sure Turkey's application to BRICS wasn't instructed/requested by NATO to infiltrate and disrupt BRICS?

Turkey's application was probably rejected because Greece opposed it. That's too powerful an oppostion for anyone to overcome.

 

[FHN]

What's funny is china is the largest trading partner for pretty much every country in BRICS .i want to see Indonesia,Vietnam and Thailand in BRICS for southeast asian representation. Asean is a big economic bloc that can't be ignored in 10 years time it will be a force to be reckon with.

 

[r3alist]

And when did India give 'full support to Israel'? India's position on current situation, as always, is intelligent and balanced.


Turkey's application was probably rejected because Greece opposed it. That's too powerful an oppostion for anyone to overcome.

Plenty of support

Military, diplomatic and propaganda, the latter might just be Indians than India, but Indian news channels have been very sympathetic to Israel

Then there is no real statement on what Gaza has endured

 

[mythbuster]

It loses a vowel Joe, I grant you that's inconvenient

It's also gained another I, Iran

It can be renamed CRIBS ( China , Russia , Iran , Brazil , south Africa ) .

 

[Guynextdoor]

Plenty of support

Military, diplomatic and propaganda, the latter might just be Indians than India, but Indian news channels have been very sympathetic to Israel

Then there is no real statement on what Gaza has endured

All that India has done is vague statement on Israel's right to defend itself, support for 2 state solution and need for 'peace'. As displomatic as it gets. We don't have any statement on Gaza or Yaahya Sinwar or nasrulla or anyone. India said what anyone from a distance maintaining a distant view says.