Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Tamerlane]

Pakistanis have been under British rule for 250 years, then the new nation Pakistan was created but unfortunately again we are under heavy western influence so we're used to the slave mentality, the mentality of being bullied, used and abused by Master west. Iran is no threat to the Usa or EU, the only reason they hate Iran is because they do not accept any independent nation, they want everyone to shine their boots, accept their cultural revolution, get rid of religion and follow the modern 21st century religion called money, power, lgbtq and the rest. For the west this is the new religion, where a man will worship himself, his desires, it's a perfect weapon against Islam and other religions such as orthodox Christianity which Russia is trying to promote.

Yes, Islam is the only philosophy that is standing up to the total triumph of disbelief and debauchery among humans. It is the last remaining religion that is preventing all of humanity from descending into total savagery.

This war has shown that that the Judeo-Christian West is the most barbaric and degenerate of all human civilizations and belongs in the dustbin of history.

 

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Israel use ROCKS and LORA air launched Ballistic Missiles to attack on Iran from Iraqi airspace

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with terminal trajectory shaping and a 90° attack angle
it is very difficult to intercept.
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I so like advanced military technologies from Israel , Turkiye and Iran in the region

Arab Countries produce almost nothing to fight against hostile intentions

Yes. One way for Israel to get around the distance problem is to launch long-range missiles from the air. In this case, it appears that Israel is using Kinzhal-style ballistic missiles, which have the advantage of range over bombs, but are lacking in their payload. While an F-15E fighter can easily attack with 6 tons of bombs that can be distributed among a dozen targets, if it takes one or two Rocks, the volume of fire and damage caused is very limited. But it is what can be done. The only Israeli fighter that can reach Tehran and return without needing to refuel is the F-15C. All others would need to refuel at some point, either on the way there or on the way back.

Furthermore, the videos that have emerged of the F-15C demonstrate an unusual sight: an F-15C with conformal fuel tanks. Israel is one of the only single-seat F-15 operators that use CFT.

There is talk of around 100 aircraft. And of these “one hundred” many may not be weapon carriers (fighters). If they were long-range missiles, there would be a maximum of around 200 missiles launched.

It is worth noting that Israel can perfectly justify the use of long-range missiles due to the distance of 1,500 km between the two countries and the fact that there are countries between them.

In my opinion, one of Israel’s objectives in this attack was to show that it can reach Tehran and that the closure of Jordanian and Iraqi airspace does not prevent it from doing so, one way or another. If the Iranians thought they were safe due to the distance, this makes it clear that they are not.

The attack was not larger due to several factors, but it makes it clear that Israel can reach any point in Iran with impunity by combining SEAD/DEAD activity with stealth fighters and long-range air-to-surface missiles.

It is very likely that the missiles were launched from Iraqi Kurdistan. Tehran was hit and it is about 600 km from the Iraqi border in a straight line with Israel.

The long-range air-launched missiles that Israel has are:
1. Delilah: 250 km range. Subsonic cruise missile. Did not happen.

2. Rampage: 250 km range. Supersonic ballistic missile. Did not happen.

3. Ice Breaker: cruise, subsonic, 300 km. Did not happen.

4. Rocks: unknown range but likely to be over 1,000 km. Little is known about it but it would be a hypersonic ballistic missile similar to the Kinzhal. Likely.

5. Air LORA: ballistic, supersonic, 1000 km +-. Likely. –
In other words, if Israeli planes hit Tehran and did not enter Iranian airspace, it could only have been with missiles such as the Rocks and Air LORA. Both are not recognized by Israel as being operational.

 

[jauk]

Yes. One way for Israel to get around the distance problem is to launch long-range missiles from the air. In this case, it appears that Israel is using Kinzhal-style ballistic missiles, which have the advantage of range over bombs, but are lacking in their payload. While an F-15E fighter can easily attack with 6 tons of bombs that can be distributed among a dozen targets, if it takes one or two Rocks, the volume of fire and damage caused is very limited. But it is what can be done. The only Israeli fighter that can reach Tehran and return without needing to refuel is the F-15C. All others would need to refuel at some point, either on the way there or on the way back.

Furthermore, the videos that have emerged of the F-15C demonstrate an unusual sight: an F-15C with conformal fuel tanks. Israel is one of the only single-seat F-15 operators that use CFT.

There is talk of around 100 aircraft. And of these “one hundred” many may not be weapon carriers (fighters). If they were long-range missiles, there would be a maximum of around 200 missiles launched.

It is worth noting that Israel can perfectly justify the use of long-range missiles due to the distance of 1,500 km between the two countries and the fact that there are countries between them.

In my opinion, one of Israel’s objectives in this attack was to show that it can reach Tehran and that the closure of Jordanian and Iraqi airspace does not prevent it from doing so, one way or another. If the Iranians thought they were safe due to the distance, this makes it clear that they are not.

The attack was not larger due to several factors, but it makes it clear that Israel can reach any point in Iran with impunity by combining SEAD/DEAD activity with stealth fighters and long-range air-to-surface missiles.

It is very likely that the missiles were launched from Iraqi Kurdistan. Tehran was hit and it is about 600 km from the Iraqi border in a straight line with Israel.

The long-range air-launched missiles that Israel has are:
1. Delilah: 250 km range. Subsonic cruise missile. Did not happen.

2. Rampage: 250 km range. Supersonic ballistic missile. Did not happen.

3. Ice Breaker: cruise, subsonic, 300 km. Did not happen.

4. Rocks: unknown range but likely to be over 1,000 km. Little is known about it but it would be a hypersonic ballistic missile similar to the Kinzhal. Likely.

5. Air LORA: ballistic, supersonic, 1000 km +-. Likely. –
In other words, if Israeli planes hit Tehran and did not enter Iranian airspace, it could only have been with missiles such as the Rocks and Air LORA. Both are not recognized by Israel as being operational.

Any ALBMs, by definition, will have very small warheads. ALBMs, as a threat, is a red herring and focusing in them is misguided.

 

[Michael]

China is not really a good ally interms of coming to your aid when you need it, as does Russia so far. Look how quickly Russia delivered new systems to Iran in this recent flairup. China will never do that. China only wants money from you - and that in dollars!!

In the last 100 years of China's history, the greatest feeling of the Chinese people is that people can only rely on themselves, and the country can only rely on its own people.
Therefore, China nowadays does not rely on any other country, nor does it get involved in any war that has nothing to do with itself.

There are some people who, when a crisis comes, the first thing they think of is not to solve the problem themselves, but to ask others for help. In Chinese values, such people are not worth helping.

 

[UKBengali]

In the last 100 years of China's history, the greatest feeling of the Chinese people is that people can only rely on themselves, and the country can only rely on its own people.
Therefore, China nowadays does not rely on any other country, nor does it get involved in any war that has nothing to do with itself.

There are some people who, when a crisis comes, the first thing they think of is not to solve the problem themselves, but to ask others for help. In Chinese values, such people are not worth helping.

China cannot challenge the US led alliance with that kind of thinking.

It is a two way street - China helps others and others will help China.

 

[Fasbre2]

So what's the summary of the BDM from the Israeli strike? Did Iranian air defences shoot down anything from the Israeli side?

I'm seeing reports of some Israeli drones being shot down, and some of the long range stand off weapons being intercepted by Iranian IADS, any pics to confirm this?

If the Israelis stayed around 100km away from Iranian air space, did they have the weapons to reach their targets deep inside Iran from that range?

What's quite important is that it seems Israel can violate the air spaces of Jordan, Syria, and Iraq at will, without any consequences. It's also being reported that the Israelis destroyed air defence systems in Syria and Iraq? If anything, both those countries have a legitimate reason to attack Israel.

Of course IL can violate air spaces in those countries due to the presence of US in those countries…

 

[Michael]

China cannot challenge the US led alliance with that kind of thinking.
It is a two way street - China helps others and others will help China.

China has absolutely no interest in challenging the U.S.-led coalition. This is only a judgment under the logic of Western thinking.

China has helped many countries, but does not expect them to help it in times of crisis. Of course, we will be happy if they are willing to help China, and we can understand if it is not.

If you carefully study Chinese history after 1949, you will understand the current Chinese foreign policy. However, if you really want to know more, you need to learn Chinese.

 

[UKBengali]

China has absolutely no interest in challenging the U.S.-led coalition. This is only a judgment under the logic of Western thinking.

China has helped many countries, but does not expect them to help it in times of crisis. Of course, we will be happy if they are willing to help China, and we can understand if it is not.

Then China will never reach its full potential and will be boxed into East Asia by the US and its network of allies.

 

[Michael]

Then China will never reach its full potential and will be boxed into East Asia by the US and its network of allies.

This is not the thread to discuss China. If you're interested, it can be discussed in another thread.

 

[r3alist]

It seems, israel has achieved over 60% targets during the limited compromised attack.

Members here are just supporting the one side of affair -

A few points to be noted -

1. Iran will never Accept even missiles factory has been destroyed.

2. They will always denied for major losses.

Since the objective is to move for settlement and de-escalation from the both sides, both will do propagandes... All will be happy at the end including people from the both nations

That's not the objective, that's a much much downgraded objective you state

They are meant to be going for a decisive decapitation of nukes and the regime.

I don't know what to make of this yet, maybe the USA moderated Israel to avoid escalation, certainly the damage to Iran much much more was expected

The real strike could come later, with trump


I wonder if trump might convince Putin to remove support in exchange for something

 

[UKBengali]

That's not the objective, that's a much much downgraded objective you state

They are meant to be going for a decisive decapitation of nukes and the regime.

I don't know what to make of this yet, maybe the USA moderated Israel to avoid escalation, certainly the damage to Iran much much more was expected

The real strike could come later, with trump


I wonder if trump might convince Putin to remove support in exchange for something

Why do you think the damage to Iran was anymore than “minor” that Iran has admitted to?

Where is the evidence that says otherwise?

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

That's not the objective, that's a much much downgraded objective you state

They are meant to be going for a decisive decapitation of nukes and the regime.

I don't know what to make of this yet, maybe the USA moderated Israel to avoid escalation, certainly the damage to Iran much much more was expected

The real strike could come later, with trump


I wonder if trump might convince Putin to remove support in exchange for something

USA is the main player it seems as of now.

They prevented israel to attack on Iran massively including nuclear sites and oil facilities.

It seems a prefixed actions similar to match fixed- they informed Iran before the attack, no major losses in iran. Now iran does not want to escalate the things further..... Everything seems, fixed .

Israel responded to Iran - israeli people happy, no major damages - Iranian people happy - no major escalation seems further - USA is happy.

 

[r3alist]

Why do you think the damage to Iran was anymore than “minor” that Iran has admitted to?

Where is the evidence that says otherwise?

No I agree, that's what it looks like, closer to minor.

More was expected

No one is claiming destruction of Iranian nuclear programmes, or anything much from West, nothing like decapitation

 

[r3alist]

USA is the main player it seems as of now.

They prevented israel to attack on Iran massively including nuclear sites and oil facilities.

It seems a prefixed actions similar to match fixed- they informed Iran before the attack, no major losses in iran.

Now iran does not want to escalate the things further..... Everything seems, fixed .

Israel responded to Iran - israeli people happy, no major damages - Iranian people happy - no major escalation seems further - USA is happy.

About right, as of this moment

But I don't think Israeli public is happy, they still fighting the wars, they have no normality

These occasional skirmishes with a break and calibrated escalation suits Israel the least, not exactly like freely bombing Gaza

 

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