Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Michael]

China is not really a good ally interms of coming to your aid when you need it, as does Russia so far. Look how quickly Russia delivered new systems to Iran in this recent flairup. China will never do that. China only wants money from you - and that in dollars!!

In the last 100 years of China's history, the greatest feeling of the Chinese people is that people can only rely on themselves, and the country can only rely on its own people.
Therefore, China nowadays does not rely on any other country, nor does it get involved in any war that has nothing to do with itself.

There are some people who, when a crisis comes, the first thing they think of is not to solve the problem themselves, but to ask others for help. In Chinese values, such people are not worth helping.

 

[UKBengali]

In the last 100 years of China's history, the greatest feeling of the Chinese people is that people can only rely on themselves, and the country can only rely on its own people.
Therefore, China nowadays does not rely on any other country, nor does it get involved in any war that has nothing to do with itself.

There are some people who, when a crisis comes, the first thing they think of is not to solve the problem themselves, but to ask others for help. In Chinese values, such people are not worth helping.

China cannot challenge the US led alliance with that kind of thinking.

It is a two way street - China helps others and others will help China.

 

[Fasbre2]

So what's the summary of the BDM from the Israeli strike? Did Iranian air defences shoot down anything from the Israeli side?

I'm seeing reports of some Israeli drones being shot down, and some of the long range stand off weapons being intercepted by Iranian IADS, any pics to confirm this?

If the Israelis stayed around 100km away from Iranian air space, did they have the weapons to reach their targets deep inside Iran from that range?

What's quite important is that it seems Israel can violate the air spaces of Jordan, Syria, and Iraq at will, without any consequences. It's also being reported that the Israelis destroyed air defence systems in Syria and Iraq? If anything, both those countries have a legitimate reason to attack Israel.

Of course IL can violate air spaces in those countries due to the presence of US in those countries…

 

[Michael]

China cannot challenge the US led alliance with that kind of thinking.
It is a two way street - China helps others and others will help China.

China has absolutely no interest in challenging the U.S.-led coalition. This is only a judgment under the logic of Western thinking.

China has helped many countries, but does not expect them to help it in times of crisis. Of course, we will be happy if they are willing to help China, and we can understand if it is not.

If you carefully study Chinese history after 1949, you will understand the current Chinese foreign policy. However, if you really want to know more, you need to learn Chinese.

 

[UKBengali]

China has absolutely no interest in challenging the U.S.-led coalition. This is only a judgment under the logic of Western thinking.

China has helped many countries, but does not expect them to help it in times of crisis. Of course, we will be happy if they are willing to help China, and we can understand if it is not.

Then China will never reach its full potential and will be boxed into East Asia by the US and its network of allies.

 

[Michael]

Then China will never reach its full potential and will be boxed into East Asia by the US and its network of allies.

This is not the thread to discuss China. If you're interested, it can be discussed in another thread.

 

[r3alist]

It seems, israel has achieved over 60% targets during the limited compromised attack.

Members here are just supporting the one side of affair -

A few points to be noted -

1. Iran will never Accept even missiles factory has been destroyed.

2. They will always denied for major losses.

Since the objective is to move for settlement and de-escalation from the both sides, both will do propagandes... All will be happy at the end including people from the both nations

That's not the objective, that's a much much downgraded objective you state

They are meant to be going for a decisive decapitation of nukes and the regime.

I don't know what to make of this yet, maybe the USA moderated Israel to avoid escalation, certainly the damage to Iran much much more was expected

The real strike could come later, with trump


I wonder if trump might convince Putin to remove support in exchange for something

 

[UKBengali]

That's not the objective, that's a much much downgraded objective you state

They are meant to be going for a decisive decapitation of nukes and the regime.

I don't know what to make of this yet, maybe the USA moderated Israel to avoid escalation, certainly the damage to Iran much much more was expected

The real strike could come later, with trump


I wonder if trump might convince Putin to remove support in exchange for something

Why do you think the damage to Iran was anymore than “minor” that Iran has admitted to?

Where is the evidence that says otherwise?

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

That's not the objective, that's a much much downgraded objective you state

They are meant to be going for a decisive decapitation of nukes and the regime.

I don't know what to make of this yet, maybe the USA moderated Israel to avoid escalation, certainly the damage to Iran much much more was expected

The real strike could come later, with trump


I wonder if trump might convince Putin to remove support in exchange for something

USA is the main player it seems as of now.

They prevented israel to attack on Iran massively including nuclear sites and oil facilities.

It seems a prefixed actions similar to match fixed- they informed Iran before the attack, no major losses in iran. Now iran does not want to escalate the things further..... Everything seems, fixed .

Israel responded to Iran - israeli people happy, no major damages - Iranian people happy - no major escalation seems further - USA is happy.

 

[r3alist]

Why do you think the damage to Iran was anymore than “minor” that Iran has admitted to?

Where is the evidence that says otherwise?

No I agree, that's what it looks like, closer to minor.

More was expected

No one is claiming destruction of Iranian nuclear programmes, or anything much from West, nothing like decapitation

 

[r3alist]

USA is the main player it seems as of now.

They prevented israel to attack on Iran massively including nuclear sites and oil facilities.

It seems a prefixed actions similar to match fixed- they informed Iran before the attack, no major losses in iran.

Now iran does not want to escalate the things further..... Everything seems, fixed .

Israel responded to Iran - israeli people happy, no major damages - Iranian people happy - no major escalation seems further - USA is happy.

About right, as of this moment

But I don't think Israeli public is happy, they still fighting the wars, they have no normality

These occasional skirmishes with a break and calibrated escalation suits Israel the least, not exactly like freely bombing Gaza

 

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[lightning f57]

How do we prevent Israel to carry out future operations like this and cause damage within Iran in the future?

E.g for Israel, they are investing more in AD to counter the Iranian Missile threat.

Iran needs more anti airdefence capability which it can launch from its planes hundreds of kms away to hit Israeli radar stations and missile batteries. Not only this helps Iran but the resistance as well.

 

[jauk]

Looks like a quadcopter attack, no so dissimilar to the weak April 1 attack:

 

[Farhas2000]

Iran needs more anti airdefence capability which it can launch from its planes hundreds of kms away to hit Israeli radar stations and missile batteries. Not only this helps Iran but the resistance as well.

It's harder for them, they have way more area to cover