Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Million Dollar Question now here is, Will Iran respond to this strike by Israel ? Not a big fan of Iranian foreign policy and have my differences, but even if IAF did penetrated Iranian AD system I won't be surprised because Israel AF has some of the most sophisticated EW systems, not to mention that US AF and USN along with UK assets protecting or Jamming Iranian Radars, when Iran launch strike against the mad dog the US/UK like a good puppy come to its rescue, along with few Arab stupid countries. So If Iran launch another attack on another AF base once again it won't be just Israel but entire West who will be protecting its Air space, and Iranian missiles penetrating that in itself is a achievement for them, I know few PDF mods/TT's who will claim western piss to be mountain Dew won't accept anything, so my suggestion to Iranian members here is to be more practical and ignore.
If we listen to leaders and other officials, it will respond

They use the same quotes and speech from past retaliations

But they will probably wait 2 weeks/1 month or 2 before it, knowing Iran it will probably be a proportionate response exclusively aimed at military assets
 
They definitely breached it and this is coming from multiple non-Iranian sources but it was through F-35s and following a very narrow window much like the first wave of GW1.

However, while damage is reported to have been sustained at BM and AD facilities it’s not enough to consider them destroyed - rather puts a pause on them for a few weeks/months.

Unfortunately - because of this emotionally charged atmosphere it is not really clear. After all, take 27th February 2019 when everything from 200 seminary students dead to 10 IAF aircraft shot down and hundreds of troops killed was being thrown around and it took months to really get the true picture.

You will find dismissive Iranians while certain members will exaggerate the effects of the IDf strike - the truth is always in the grey


what a none sense , "definitely" haha... can i laugh in your face ? show me just one source that is not a random twitter channel that made such claims,

not even israeli news outlet claim this or their government made such claims,

just show me one government official claiming "we penetrated their airspace with our F35´s"

its pretty much known how the attack was done (with air launched ballistic missiles) over iraq.

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Israeli Strikes on Iran Expose Gap in Prowess Between Two Arch Foes​



BEIRUT—The Israeli strikes on Iran hit several of Tehran’s most advanced air defenses, exposing Iran’s vulnerability to future attacks as the two enemies engage in a new era of direct confrontation.

During the hourslong attack early Saturday, Israeli warplanes struck Iranian military assets in three provinces, including three Russian-supplied aerial defense systems known as S-300, according to U.S. and Israeli officials. A fourth aerial defense system was also hit. An Israeli official added that all the air-defense systems were rendered unusable.

The Israeli attack came after significant U.S. pressure to avoid hitting Iran’s nuclear and oil facilities, with the U.S. saying Iran should now stand down from further escalations.

In a speech on Sunday, Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei said that Israel had inflicted damage on Iran, though he didn’t specify what, and said that while Israel was exaggerating the impact, it would also be wrong to play down the attack or dismiss it as unimportant. Khamenei, who has led Iran since 1989, refrained from promising harsh retaliation, as he has done after other attacks in the past.

Successfully defanging Iran’s self-defense capabilities marks a new chapter in Israel’s confrontation with the Islamic Republic. It created a vulnerability in Iran’s air defenses that highlighted the significant gaps between the two sides’ military capabilities. Israel claims it now had the ability to fly over Iranian airspace.

“Iran will have to do a lot of soul-searching and spend a lot of money on air-defense systems that are capable of intercepting these kinds of new threats,” said Farzin Nadimi, senior fellow and expert on Iran’s military with the Washington Institute, a think tank. “Iran is a military-industrial nation.
There are so many targets in the country, so they really need all the air defenses they can get their hands on.”

For decades, Iran and Israel have fought each other indirectly. Iran has armed and trained militias to harass and threaten its enemies, including Israel, as a way to keep conflict away from its own borders. Israel has pressured Iran through sabotage and assassinations targeting Iran’s nuclear program, and by hitting Iranian forces abroad, including in Syria.

The recent war has pitted the two enemies in a different kind of battle: a direct, long-distance war. And they are performing very differently.

Iran has twice, in April and October, been able to sporadically penetrate Israel’s air defenses but only by firing hundreds of missiles at a time.

Israel has twice shown its ability to strike sensitive Iranian targets, with few if any of its weapons being intercepted. A previous Israeli attack hit an aerial defense radar in April. Saturday’s assault involved Israel’s most-advanced aerial weapon, F-35 jet fighters, which are adept at evading radar, people familiar with the mission said.

Israel hailed the weekend attack as a major victory.

“Now, the state of Israel has wider freedom of action in the air over Iran as well,” military spokesman Daniel Hagari said in a televised briefing Saturday.

The S-300 is a family of surface-to-air missile systems designed by the Soviet Union in the 1960s and 1970s, and now used to defend against planes, drones and, to some extent, cruise and ballistic missiles. Russia supplied Iran S-300 systems in 2016, after nine years of delay due to nuclear negotiations and international sanctions.

Although details about the systems aren’t publicly known, experts believe Iran received between 40 and 60 launchers as part of the total order, each of which is capable of carrying up to four missiles.

The S-300 systems are used to protect high-value targets such as nuclear sites and the domestic Mehrabad airport used for official flights. One battery is kept mobile and travels with Khamenei when he visits his home city of Mashhad in the country’s east, according to Nadimi, whose research is based on sources inside Iran and satellite imagery.

Iran has a domestically produced long-range, road-mobile air-defense system called Bavar-373, which it says can compete with the more advanced S-400 system. It also has a range of less advanced domestically produced aerial defense systems, which it can redeploy to replace the damaged batteries, Nadimi said.

Iran has long sought the more advanced S-400 systems from Russia, but Western officials say there is no evidence so far Tehran has received any.

Israel struck one of the S-300 defense batteries positioned near the Natanz nuclear facility in April when it attacked Iran in retaliation for a 300-missile and drone barrage. Saturday’s attack is believed to have hit most if not all of the remaining S-300s. Experts say that, even as the damage from the attack is still being assessed, the fact that Israel was able to hit Iran’s most advanced aerial defenses and some of its most sensitive military sites is significant.

“Iran’s anti-air defenses are vulnerable to superior strike technology. They’re insufficient to protect Iran’s airspace from better-equipped adversaries, Israel in particular,” said Afshon Ostovar, an expert on Iran’s military at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif. “Those systems aren’t easily replaced. Iran probably has some redundancies, but even so, Israel might have paved the way for future attacks to be easier and less restricted.”

While Israel owes much of its military prowess to U.S. assistance, Iran has relied mostly on domestic technological development and support from Russia and China. The recent exposure of its vulnerabilities raises questions about the limits and benefits of its alliance with Moscow and Beijing.

Since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Tehran and Moscow have strengthened their military ties, with Iran supplying drones and ballistic missiles to Moscow, Western officials say. China in 2020 signed a long-term partnership deal with Iran, which included some cooperation on military research and weapons development. Russia and Iran are due to complete their own long-term strategic partnership, Russian President Vladimir Putin said after meeting his Iranian counterpart last week.

Central Intelligence Agency Director William Burns said in July 2023 that there were signs of Russian technicians working on Iran’s space launch vehicle program “and other aspects of their missile programs.” Iran’s space launch program is believed to be part of efforts to develop intercontinental missiles.

Those relationships come with caveats, however. Russia and China both have strategic ties with some of Iran’s regional rivals, including Saudi Arabia. Russia shares some interests with Israel in Syria. China, which imports half of its energy from the Middle East and prefers to keep conflict in the Middle East subdued, has always been reluctant to provide military assistance to Iran, said Raz Zimmt, senior researcher at the Institute for National Security Studies in Israel, even as Beijing has worked to help Iran get around U.S. sanctions.

“Iran’s relationship with Russia and China is compartmentalized and follows each country’s interests,” said Dina Esfandiary, senior adviser for the Middle East and North Africa at the International Crisis Group. “It means there are times where Russia and China don’t see helping Iran out as in their interest.’”

U.S. officials question how quickly Russia will be able to provide Iran with new missile defenses when its resources are stretched by the Ukraine war. Some U.S. officials believe delays could strain Russian-Iranian relations, which historically have been characterized by mistrust.

In the aftermath of the attack, Iranian officials appeared to play down the Israeli attack, suggesting that Tehran isn’t planning an immediate forceful response against Israel directly. Iran said Israel had fired missiles from Iraqi airspace, and accused the U.S. of complicity in the attack for providing Israel with advanced weaponry.

Khamenei on Sunday stressed that military pressure should not dissuade the Islamic Republic from pursuing advanced weapons, such as high-range missiles.

“Of course, our officials should be the ones to assess and precisely apprehend what needs to be done and do whatever is in the best interests of this country and nation,” Khamenei said. “They still haven’t been able to correctly understand the power, capability, ingenuity, and determination of the Iranian people. We need to make them understand these things.”

Iran’s quest for military technology could complicate the conflicts in the Middle East and beyond, Ostovar said.

“For example, were Russia to supply Iran with S-400 anti-air batteries and send Russian troops to man those systems, it’d add another layer of geopolitical risk for Israel,” he said.

 
Let's look at it from a dispassionate perspective, Israel has demonstrated a capability and willingness that Iran does not have.
Not shying away from attacking targets that cause many deaths and civilian targets at all.
To strike extremely important targets with great precision and inflict great damage
These are all things that Iran lacks.
Israel struck a much bigger blow at a much smaller cost than Iran's two attacks.
Iran must fundamentally rethink its strategy.
It has been proven that Zionists cannot be deterred without both the ability to strike accurately and effectively and the willingness to attack important targets, not just for appearance's sake.
 
Judging by the posts (X/tweets) by @F-22Raptor on the first page, it looks like he had a hard-on when all that went on.

!srael Air Force couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, this time around. Better lucknext time.
 
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'Showoff', 'weak': Israeli media, officials ridicule attack on Iran​

The recent attack on Iran has been largely a showoff that failed to achieve any strategic objectives, as per Israeli media

Israeli media outlets have cast doubt on the effectiveness of the recent Israeli attack on Iran, describing it as a largely symbolic move that failed to achieve any significant strategic goals. Reports from Kan and other sources highlighted a growing sense of dissatisfaction within "Israel" regarding the operation's limited impact.

Arab Affairs correspondent Roy Kays suggested that if he were in [Sayyed Ali] Khamenei's position, he would get back to sleep and assess the situation regarding the attack on Iran the following morning.

The recent attack on Iran was largely a showoff that failed to achieve any strategic objectives, as per Israeli media.

Furthermore, media reports suggested that the limited response to Iran was politically motivated, designed to reassure Prime Minister Netanyahu's supporters that action had been taken.

Israeli media figure Rami Yitzhar, once a senior officer in the Israeli military police, believed that the attack on Iran, which he described as "minuscule and weak,” was a political trick by Netanyahu to show his supporters that he had done something against Tehran.

Commenting on the “explosive" statement of the Israeli army spokesperson, Daniel Hagari, about the attack, Yitzhar said it was “to some extent full of elements of false self-glorification, but his (Hagari’s) body language proves that he understands that it was just a show” and that “the sole purpose of this action was political: to show Netanyahu’s voters that we did something, and that is all.”

Meanwhile, Israeli media reported that former Mossad Intelligence Division chief Brigadier General (Res.) Amnon Sofrin warned that Iran possesses the capability to launch a highly potent operation against "Israel".

Lapid, Liberman criticize Israeli response to Iran​



Israeli Kan 11's political affairs commentator, Gili Cohen, reported on the initial political reactions to the attack on Iran, highlighting a harsh criticism from opposition leader Yair Lapid.



Lapid bashed the Israeli response, stressing it lacked sufficient force and significance. He labeled the decision not to strike strategic and economic targets as "misguided", insisting that Iran should have faced much harsher consequences.

"The decision not to attack strategic and economic targets in Iran was a mistake. We could and should have imposed a much heavier price on Iran," Lapid said in a post on X.

Yisrael Beytenu chairman Avigdor Liberman said "Israel", with today's attack, failed to “exact a real price” from the Islamic Republic.

“We cannot ignore the hard reality and the fact that the Iranians won’t stop here. They’ll continue their efforts to obtain nuclear weapons and they’ll continue to transfer the funds from the sale of oil and gas to Hezbollah, the Houthis, the Shiite militias, and various proxies,” the hawkish veteran politician says in a post on X.

 
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Parchin concrete mixer buildings are built over two floors with concrete protection between the floors for added protection

likely the mixers were removed or not destroyed in any event
 
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Israel's attacks were precise and effective (though not as impactful as the Israeli propaganda is suggesting)

Iran's attacks were imprecise and ineffective, though had a major psychological impact on Israeli society (majority of population sent to bomb shelters) and was very expensive to defend against
 
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Israel's attacks were precise and effective (though not as impactful as the Israeli propaganda is suggesting)

Iran's attacks were imprecise and ineffective, though had a major psychological impact on Israeli society (majority of population sent to bomb shelters) and was very expensive to defend against

Iran attack earlier this month intentionally missed Israel's planes to show Israel that Iran can bypass Israeli's air defenses and strike Israel without starting a war.
 
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Israel's attacks were precise and effective (though not as impactful as the Israeli propaganda is suggesting)

Iran's attacks were imprecise and ineffective, though had a major psychological impact on Israeli society (majority of population sent to bomb shelters) and was very expensive to defend against


show me just one evidence of a single destroyed iranian military building,


all you could bring forward was a tiny hole on a roof on a "Fuel mixer" building, which is not even a really clear if it is an hole at all.


atleast in the iranian footage you posted yourself we see a destroyed Israeli hangar,

till now we only saw a destroyed iranian civilian building (that drilling heavy machinery)

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the destroyed hangar by Iran is a much better evidence of a destroyed military target then this l ol
 

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