Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tsunset]

now OSINT accounts are being overzealous and attributing every change of lighting and shadows to an Israeli strike

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[Persian Gulf]

Hey man, that attack cost a crazy money. If they don't justify any kind of success some other 17.000 from Elbit and Lockheed Martin will loose the job as well.

a lot of key sites were precisely hit, and that is impressive.

but we should also remember:
- Iran had advance warning, and likely moved many key assets underground
- Many of these buildings are large and built across two floors with concrete protection in between floors. a damaged roof (even with penetration) doesn't mean total destruction of anything left in the ground floor
- we saw the missile booster production site had removed all the missile boosters outside before this strike, no risk of secondaries

 

[Nuffle]

now OSINT accounts are being overzealous and attributing every change of lighting and shadows to an Israeli strike

It is a desperate attempt to call Israel's attack a complete success like this:

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@FluteMagician: 1) So when I saw the first reports of this last night and read aircraft were used, I knew two things: A) Aerial refueling was necessary. B) Air defense suppression was necessary. But rather than...…

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@gregbagwell: A short🧵1/9 on the Israeli air raids into Iran yesterday. This was more than a precision strike, it was a clear demonstration of capability, intent and will. [This replaces a previous thread that mista...…

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[tsunset]

It is a desperate attempt to call Israel's attack a complete success like this:

Thread by @FluteMagician on Thread Reader App

@FluteMagician: 1) So when I saw the first reports of this last night and read aircraft were used, I knew two things: A) Aerial refueling was necessary. B) Air defense suppression was necessary. But rather than...…

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Thread by @gregbagwell on Thread Reader App

@gregbagwell: A short🧵1/9 on the Israeli air raids into Iran yesterday. This was more than a precision strike, it was a clear demonstration of capability, intent and will. [This replaces a previous thread that mista...…

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Read the wikipedia page (if you are not cardiac), it is hilarious but also shows clearly how Wikipedia works

 

[Hypersonic]

This Israeli attack was more or less the most they could achieve, and even their own officials are laughing at their propaganda. Israeli attack was 10% actual damage and 90% invented damage by the western propaganda media.

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In contrast, Irans previous two attacks were extremely toned down. This will now change. Western media propaganda won’t be able to do much damage control when 1000-2000 missile to come raining down on the Israeli heads.

 

[tsunset]

This Israeli attack was more or less the most they could achieve, and even their own officials are laughing at their propaganda. Israeli attack was 10% actual damage and 90% invented damage by the western propaganda media.

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In contrast, Irans previous two attacks were extremely toned down. This will now change.

Iran crucially needs precision

I don't know how Iran is working to upgrade the accuracy, specially those of big liquid fueled MRBMs, i really hope this will improve by any mean possible

I can't trust in "Iran did it on purpose to de escalate", but this is a possibility

In TP Iran shown that it could inflict psychological damage to Israel

In TP2 Iran shown that it doesn't care of Israel AD and ABM shield

TP3= ? I hope this will be that Iran shows how it can accurately hit targets with decent destruction while at the same time dodge ABM shield

 

[Hypersonic]

Iran crucially needs precision

I don't know how Iran is working to upgrade the accuracy, specially those of big liquid fueled MRBMs, i really hope this will improve by any mean possible

I can't trust in "Iran did it on purpose to de escalate", but this is a possibility

In TP Iran shown that it could inflict psychological damage to Israel

In TP2 Iran shown that it doesn't care of Israel AD and ABM shield

TP3= ? I hope this will be that Iran shows how it can accurately hit targets with decent destruction while at the same time dodge ABM shield

Newer generation solid fuelled systems such as KS-1/ KS-2, Fattah 1 etc are very accurate. The older liquid fuelled systems will have lower CEPs and Iran will be using them mostly as cluster warhead delivery systems and also to saturate the air defences. I bet Iran has 1000s of Rezvans which are dirt cheap, and will be used as above.

Iran has yet to use its most new missiles such as Fattah and Khormshahr-4 etc in any attack. And bear in mind these are the known Iranian missiles, in reality they have even more advanced systems. The missiles used and lack of silo launch etc tells me these previous two attacks were nothing but warning shots in a sense, confirming what was stated by Iran itself.

 

[SolarWarden]

Yes. That's why I was wondering if using underground silos would make a difference.
It seems that we completely lack the element of surprise against Israel.

There are pros and cons to underground launch silos and mobile launchers. With the exception of the US, no other nation is going to have a warning BM in silos are about to launch especially if they are solid fuel... the cons are they are vulnerable to a first strike.

 

[5thgenEnjoyer]

Reports are coming out that the Israeli cabinet has authorised a second strike on Iran in retaliation for the strike on Bibis house
Any solid confirmation of this yet?

 

[F-22Raptor]

what the hell is a vegetation index

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I am not convinced this site was hit at all

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[Shadihassan28]

the magazines can launch 5 missiles at a time (rather, 5 per 5-10 minutes because it launches one, moves along, launches the second, etc)

so that's not a perfect solution unless there are 20+ of those magazine systems across Iran (not likely)

the magazines seem to be somewhat new and can only launch 5 per 5-10 minutes, we need 20+ of those to be meaningful. great if we have those numbers but I doubt it, in last two strikes we fired from 5-10 bases in total not 20+

concealed trucks that were used in TP 2 are useful if they can be fuelled and then dispersed to live as civilian trucks until the strike

I don’t know I was busy at work but I looked it up on wiki the system was unveiled in 2020 so hypothetically it was around for a few year longer than that by now you would think they would have upgraded and tweaked it to make it even more efficient and plentiful.

 

[jauk]

Calls are increasing for a devastating no holds barred strike:

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[jauk]

Excellent analysis by Jang Negar. Discusses mostly on the huge success of Iranian AD. Also discusses how easily people are being affected by propaganda.

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[Abid123]

Imagine how much better Middle East would have been if the whites just kept out of it.

 

[SolarWarden]

Imagine how much better Middle East would have been if the whites just kept out of it.

And you live in the whitest country...