Green light for Eurofighter from Germany for the Turkish Air Force

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The US is testing MQ-9 with different payloads. You are not paying attention. Everything is a fairy-tale to you.

Reality is different
Countries buys MQ-9 UCAV armed with only 12 km HELLFIRE Missile .. nothing else

 

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Reality is different
Countries buys MQ-9 UCAV armed with only 12 km HELLFIRE Missile .. nothing else

Yes, you are right, but the US can do the best if they want to. It's not difficult for them at all.

For example, Our anti-radiation missile is not even in inventory yet, but the HARM missile has been in inventory for 40 years. The US could integrate this missile into the MQ-9 if they wanted to, but they don't. They have so many platforms that they don't need it.

 

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Patriot system has detected and handled [shot down] hypersonic projectiles in war.
Patriot system can also detect and engage targets beyond 150 km mark.
Talk is cheap.

Problem is your cheap demagogy

Russia used expensive KINZHAL hypersonic Missile ( $10 million per unit )

on the other hand
Turkiye can produce 200 IHA-230 supersonic missiles for $10 million to turn 1 PATRIOT Battery ($1,1 billion ) into scrap of metal with a swarm attack

1 PATRIOT Battery = 8 Launchers with 24 Missiles against 200 Turkish Missiles

PATRIOT has zero chance to survive


btw PATRIOT PAC-3 has range of 35 km
PAC-2 has range of 160 km

but S300 - PATRIOT can not engage on Turkish UCAvs from 150 km away
we have seen this reality in Syria .. Syrian S300s could not stop Turkish Drones in Idlib


no need even 150+ km IHA-230 , 200 km KEMANKES and 185+ km KUZGUN-TJ cost effective missiles

Turkiye can fire its missiles also from Unmanned combat Vessels to hit Greek PATRIOT Systems in Skyros

 

[LeGenD]

We show the reality
even with a Tactical Drone armed with only 8 km MAM-L laser guided Bomb

TB-2 kill list ... American-Chinese Drones no where
more than 1.000 military equipment including PANTSIR , BUK ,TOR , S300 Air Defense Systems

A Monument Of Victory: The Bayraktar TB2 Kill List

www.oryxspioenkop.com

The US has MASSIVE Air Power and use manned aircraft for conventional strikes. The US has used drones in supportive role(s) and for COIN missions in conflict situations. But the US is fully capable of equipping its drones for conventional strikes [if necessary]. American drones are not inferior but open platforms that can be equipped for any scenario [if necessary].

Turkey has LIMITED Air Power and felt the need to equip drones for conventional strikes. Ukraine also used TB-2 for conventional strikes but Russian forces figured out how to defeat it in time. Turkish drones are good but not without limitations.

I am not into selective judgement and will check all facts and shed light on them in a debate if necessary. This is how it should be.

 

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Yes, you are right, but the US can do the best if they want to. It's not difficult for them at all.

For example, Our anti-radiation missile is not even in inventory yet, but the HARM missile has been in inventory for 40 years. The US could integrate this missile into the MQ-9 if they wanted to, but they don't. They have so many platforms that they don't need it.

Turkiye doesnt need expensive Missiles like HARM for its UCAVs

Cost effective IHA-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , KEMANKES will be enough to hit everything including AD Systems , Warships

Turkiye has far better capability for UCAVs

 

[LeGenD]

Problem is your cheap demagogy

Russia used expensive KINZHAL hypersonic Missile ( $10 million per unit )

on the other hand
Turkiye can produce 200 IHA-230 supersonic missiles for $10 million to turn 1 PATRIOT Battery ($1,1 billion ) into scrap of metal with a swarm attack

1 PATRIOT Battery = 8 Launchers with 24 Missiles against 200 Turkish Missiles

PATRIOT has zero chance to survive


btw PATRIOT PAC-3 has range of 35 km
PAC-2 has range of 160 km

but S300 - PATRIOT can not engage on Turkish UCAvs from 150 km away
we have seen this reality in Syria .. Syrian S300s could not stop Turkish Drones in Idlib


no need even 150+ km IHA-230 , 200 km KEMANKES and 185+ km KUZGUN-TJ cost effective missiles

Turkiye can fire its missiles also from Unmanned combat Vessels to hit Greek PATRIOT Systems in Skyros

You think that a country will have a single Patriot battery? No country is this stupid. Any country that take its defenses seriously wants to create a network of defenses to counter a wide range of threats in war. Russia could not turn Kyiv into a pile of urban rubble because Kyiv is heavily protected with a network of defenses. Russia is fully capable of swarm attacks but Ukrainian defenses are holding up.

All is EASY in THEORY. You can claim anything in a forum. There is no limit to one's claims in a forum. You can say that Turkey can conquer the world in a post.

 

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Turkey has LIMITED Air Power and felt the need to equip drones for conventional strikes. Ukraine also used TB-2 for conventional strikes but Russian forces figured out how to defeat it in time. Turkish drones are good but not without limitations.

Turkiye has its own UCAV War concept and Ukraine doesnt know about it

Also Ukraine lack Air Force to protect TB-2s
still TB-2s destroyed hundreds of Russian military equpment in Ukraine

and our tiny tactical Drone did it with only 8 km MAM-L laser guided munition


in Syria we did not use F-16 Fighter Jets to risk our pilots
F-16s just protected TB-2 UCAVs against Russian-Syrian Fighter Jets from Turkish Airspace

and TB-2 UCAVs destroyed hundreds of military equipment including 8 Air Defense Systems and thousands of troops within 7 days in Idlib/Syria


Russian-Syrian Fighter Jets , S300 Air Defense Systems could do nothing against TB-2 UCAVs

 

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Russia is lucky that Turkiye doesnt give superior weapons to Ukraine like AKINCI TB3 .

Lol, its not about luck. Its about money. If Ukraine pays Turkey then turkey will sell whatever it has.

Pathetic Russian Armed Forces still fighting weak Ukraine which lack Air Force and modern weapons

Ukraine got $100s of billions of western equipment in this war + full intelligence / satellite imagery, financial aid. etc.
Even then Russia is winning anyways.

Turkish Armed Forces easly can kick backward technology Russian Armed Forces
but its not our war

hahaha.. you must be high right?

Russia is a very powerful nation. It's strengths are in totally different domains, they are at different league whatsoever. The league of great military powers like US, China.

Just look at russian submarine fleet. Atleast 25 of their submarines are averaging 20,000 tonnage with nuclear power and carrying multiple ICBMs each. Each of that sub can obliterate a country size of Turkey many times over. One sub vs the whole nation. and its over!

Don't ever compare Turkey with Russia. Turkey isn't even in the same league. Russia's space technologies, its ICBMs, its complex ballistic missile programs, its S-400s/500s, Russian hypersonic missiles, and what not. its a different beast.

 

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You think that a country will have a single Patriot battery? No country is this stupid.

Other PATRIOT Systems are in Athens and Thessaloniki far away from Skyros

so other PATRIOT Systems can not engage on Turkish UCAvs from 200+ km away to protect PATRIOTs in Skyros

step by step Turkish Armed Forces can destroy all Greek PATRIOTs in Skyros , Athens and Thessaloniki in a day

Thanks to the Turkish Armed Forces which have the 2nd strongest fire power in NATO after USA

Ballisitc - Cruise Missisles , long range guided munitions and Kamikaze Drones to be launched from land - naval - air platforms



Russia lack cost effective missiles

 

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Lol, its not about luck. Its about money. If Ukraine pays Turkey then turkey will sell whatever it has.

Ukraine took almost $200 billion money and aid from USA and Europe

Ukraine has also its own money

 

[Awwad]

Ukraine took almost $200 billion money and aid from USA and Europe

Ukraine has also its own money

I am not saying Ukraine don't have money. Am saying, it looks they don't want to spend more money on Turkish weapons. If Ukraine is interested then Turkey will sell stuff forsure.

So taking your point forward, if funds are not the issue for Ukraine then why they are not interested in buying AKINCI TB3 and other stuff?

 

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Just look at russian submarine fleet. Atleast 25 of their submarines are averaging 20,000 tonnage with nuclear power and carrying multiple ICBMs each. Each of that sub can obliterate a country size of Turkey many times over. One sub vs the whole nation. and its over!

And all of them are useless in Ukraine

and Russia asked Tactical Ballistic Missiles and Kamikaze Drones from Iran ..

Russia lack guided munitions and cost effective missiles
no need to fire $1 million USD KALIBR Cruise Missile , $3 million ISKANDER Ballistic Missile oe $10 million ZICRON Missile

just need Turkish cost effective weapons with range of 40-60-70-80-120-150-200-280-700 km to be launched from land and air platforms to hit Ukranian AD Systems , Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , etc

 

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I am not saying Ukraine don't have money. Am saying, it looks they don't want to spend more money on Turkish weapons. If Ukraine pays Turkey then Turkey will sell stuff forsure.

No ,
Turkiye has very important strategic relations and projects with Russia

Our relationship with Russia is 100 times more important than money

 

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So taking your point forward, if funds are not the issue for Ukranie then why they are not interested in buying AKINCI TB3 and other stuff?

Dude

BAYKAR opened even a factory in Ukraine to produce TB-2 TB-3

 

[Awwad]

Dude

BAYKAR opened even a factory in Ukraine to produce TB-2 TB3

It may have. I said this because of your own below statement:

Russia is lucky that Turkiye doesnt give superior weapons to Ukraine like AKINCI TB3 .

you mentioned yourself Russia is "lucky" Turkey didn't gave AKINI TB3 to Turkey ?