Green light for Eurofighter from Germany for the Turkish Air Force

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Ukraine has lost a total of 24 TB2 in war.

And TB-2s destroyed hundreds Russian military equipment including TOR and BUK Air Defense Systems

also hundreds of Russian troops were hunted by the TB-2 UCAVs

Winner is TB-2 In terms of cost impact

 

[LeGenD]

Nahhhh
American MQ-9 is a toy to compare with Turkish AKINCI in technology and fire power

Ridiculous claim. MQ-9 is an open platform that can be customized and equipped for any scenario. MQ-9 can be equipped with two radar systems and has higher service ceiling, operational altitude capacity, endurance than AKINCI. Both have comparable payload capacity.

American MQ-9 has nothing except LYNX-II SAR Radar
and 12 km HELLFIRE Missisle , 22 km PAVEWAY IV laser guided Bomb

So easy target for Air Defense Systems like even 30-50 km BUK , TOR , AKASH-NG

Do you think that the US will dispatch MQ-9 to a high threat environment with this payload? Do you think the US does not understand conventional war requirements?

Turkish AKINCI UCAV has MURAD gan based AESA Radar
and armed with MAM-T IIR , ALPAGUT , TOLUN-IIR , CAKIR , IHA-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , SOM , KEMANKES , SUPER SIMSEK with range of 50 , 60 , 80 , 150 , 185 , 250 , 280 , 700 km to destroy all military equipment from safe distance

also 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air Missile

AKINCI payload capacity is 1500 kg. Payload choices will be as per mission requirements.

MQ-9 only can dream about these technologies
-- AESA Radar
-- Electronic Data Gathering ( ELINT / COMINT )
-- 6 multi-core Artificial Intelligence Computers

Are you a child? These are childish claims. MQ-9 is equipped with Lynx radar but the US can replace it with PhantomStrike AESA radar [if necessary]. MQ-9 can be equipped with two different radar systems in fact.

MQ-9 standard sensor package is following:

MTS-B EO/IR
Lynx Multi-mode Radar
Multi-mode maritime radar
Automated Identification System (AIS)
SIGINT/ESM system
Communications relay

But MQ-9 is an open platform that can be customized and equipped for any scenario.

You think that MQ-9 does not have AI?

Artificial intelligence plays a crucial role in the development of Predator drones, helping drones in Autonomous Decision-Making and real-time data processing. AI algorithms enable the MQ-9B to carry out semi-autonomous missions. This includes flight path adjustments, target identification, and prioritization.
Link

The US has developed AI pods as well:

MQ-9 Reaper Flies With AI Pod That Sifts Through Huge Sums Of Data To Pick Out Targets

The system is designed to help parse through mountains of intelligence data quickly so that operators only get data-linked objects of interest.

www.twz.com

AKINCI UCAV collect information by recording the data received from sensors and cameras on the UCAV through artificial intelligence computers

This artificial intelligence system that can detect the angle of tilting, standing and heading of the UCAV without the need for any external sensor or GPS

provide environmental awareness using geographic information and advanced artificial intelligence system will have decision making feature by processing the data it obtains

See above.

India buys inferior MQ-9 and Pakistan buys superior AKINCI

Indian MQ-9 will carry only 12-22 km missile - guided bomb

Pakistani AKINCI will carry superior weapons with range of 50 , 60 , 80 , 150 , 185 , 250 , 280 , 700 km to hit everything even Air Defense Systems and Warships


Azerbaijani AKINCI UCAVs will fire 150 km IHA-230 supersonic Missile and 280 km SOM Cruise Missile

Pakistan was interested in MQ-9 but the US refused to sell it. So Pakistan opted for next best thing.

Indian Navy has ordered an MQ-9 variant that is optimized and equipped for ISR and ASW mission. This drone will be used in open ocean and will massively expand Indian Navy ASW capability. You don't seem to understand the drone and its purpose.

 

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You are welcome to test your mighty drones in Ukraine further but you don't have the guts. You can talk big in forums.

Russia is lucky that Turkiye doesnt give superior weapons to Ukraine like AKINCI TB3 . ANKA UCAVs armed with 80-150-250-280-700 km missiles and guided munitions to turn Russian forces into scrap of metal from safe distance

also 60-80-200-500 km Kamikaze Drones
70-120-150-280-560 km guided MLRS and Ballistic Missiles
more MANPADS and Anti-Tank Weapons

Russians couldn't even understand where death came from
only a few seconds and BOOM


Turkish Armed Forces easly can kick backward technology Russian Armed Forces
but its not our war

Turkiye is not enemy to Russia and has good relationship with Russia

Pathetic Russian Air Force can not do even CAP mission in Ukraine
Pathetic Russian Armed Forces still fighting weak Ukraine which lack Air Force and modern weapons

 

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Ridiculous claim. MQ-9 is an open platform that can be customized and equipped for any scenario. MQ-9 can be equipped with two radar systems and has higher service ceiling, operational altitude capacity, endurance than AKINCI. Both have comparable payload capacity.

All MQ-9 UCAV user Countries have only pathetic capability with 12 km HELFIRE Missile
nothing else ... so pathetic

AKINCI fire even 150 km IHA-230 supersonic Missile to turn PATRIOT Air Defense System into scrap of metal

even I am not talking about cost effective 80-150-185 km TOLUN-IIR , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ , KEMANKES

also 280 km SOM and 700 km SUPER SIMSEK

 

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Pakistan was interested in MQ-9 but the US refused to sell it. So Pakistan opted for next best thing.

Pakistan is not stupid to pay billions of Dollars for pathetic MQ-9 armed with only 8 HELLFIRE Missiles with range of 12 km

so easy target for Air Defense Systems


Pakistan bought the best thing
AKINCI UCAV carry 8 KUZGUN Missiles with range of 185 km also 4 TOLUN-IIR guided munitions with range of 80 km

Also 50-150-200 km MAM-T IIR , CAKIR ,IHA-230, KEMANKES to hit everything from safe distance

 

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Are you a child? These are childish claims. MQ-9 is equipped with Lynx radar but the US can replace it with PhantomStrike AESA radar [if necessary]. MQ-9 can be equipped with two different radar systems in fact.

Maybe you are a child ?
AESA Radar and only 12 km HELLFIRE Missile ... so funny

Countries are so silly to pay billions of dollars for pathetic MQ-9 UCAVs

 

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Indian Navy has ordered an MQ-9 variant that is optimized and equipped for ISR and ASW mission. This drone will be used in open ocean and will massively expand Indian Navy ASW capability. You don't seem to understand the drone and its purpose.

I am talking about UCAV variant

15 for the Indian Navy
and 8 each for the Indian Army and Air Force


if Pakistan want in coming years Pakistan can buy Turkish FULMAR 500A Radar with range of 370 km for naval missions



Also if Pakistan want Turkiye can equip AKINCI UAV with SONOBOUYS and Torpedo for ASW

Turkish variants UAVs will have every mission capabilities ISR , EW , ASW , ASUW , SEAD-DEAD , A2A

 

[LeGenD]

So funny
AVANGER is a toy to compare with the KIZILELMA

AVANGER has LYNX SAR radar
KIZILELMA has superior MURAD GaN based AESA Radar

AVANGER lack air to air combat capability
KIZILELMA is coming with air to air combat capability
and to carry 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air Missiles for BVR combat

AVANGER armed with inferior fire power only 12 km HELFIRE Misssile
KIZILELMA armed with superior fire power 150 km CAKIR , 185 km KUZGUN-TJ even 280 km SOM Cruise Missile

AVANGER lack IRST ( LEGION IRST POD will destroy stealth capability )
KIZILELMA has EOTS and IRTS also 360 degree Situational awareness sensors like F-35
View attachment 75917

AVANGER has low power turbofan Engine without after burner
KIZILELMA has 2 x stroger turbofan engine with afterburner to take off from TCG ANADOLU light Aircraft Carrier
View attachment 75919

AVANGER lack super maneuver capability
KIZILELMA has super maneuver capability with afterburner and active CANARD routers like J-20 Fighter Jet
View attachment 75922

Now KIZILELMA is unique in the world

Really?

1. The US can change radar system of AVENGER [if necessary].

2. AVENGER is ISR-focused but can be equipped for any scenario.

3. The US can equip MQ-9 and its derivatives with cruise missiles [if necessary].

Cruise Missiles Could Get Added To MQ-9's Arsenal

Serving as weapon trucks loaded with Joint Strike Missiles could be one way for the MQ-9 drone to remain relevant in future major conflicts.

www.twz.com

4. AVENGER has EO/IR payload. Lynx radar also have EO/IR capability.

5. Both are fast drones. KIZILELMA top speed is 490 KTAS and AVENGER top speed is 400 KTAS but KIZILELMA endurance is 4+ hours whereas AVENGER endurance is 20+ hours. KIZILELMA engine is unreliable. There is no need for AVENGER to take off from an aircraft carrier as it can move fast and has considerable endurance.

6. Canards increase RCS and KIZILELMA will be easier to detect. AVENGER will be more difficult to detect.

7. KIZILELMA has its merits [and limitations].

 

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Really?

1. The US can change radar system of AVENGER [if necessary].

2. AVENGER is ISR-focused but can be equipped for any scenario.

3. The US can equip MQ-9 and its derivatives with cruise missiles [if necessary].

Cruise Missiles Could Get Added To MQ-9's Arsenal

Serving as weapon trucks loaded with Joint Strike Missiles could be one way for the MQ-9 drone to remain relevant in future major conflicts.

www.twz.com

4. AVENGER has EO/IR payload. Lynx radar also have EO/IR capability.

5. Both are fast drones. KIZILELMA top speed is 490 KTAS and AVENGER top speed is 400 KTAS but KIZILELMA endurance is 4+ hours whereas AVENGER endurance is 20+ hours. KIZILELMA engine is unreliable. There is no need for AVENGER to take off from an aircraft carrier as it can move fast and has considerable endurance.

6. Canards increase RCS and KIZILELMA will be easier to detect. AVENGER will be more difficult to detect.

7. KIZILELMA has its merits [and limitations].

Full of fairly tales
if necassry , if necassry , can be so , can be so

in reality AVENGER is a toy to compare with the KIZILELMA

 

[Feroze]

Full of fairly tales
if necassry , if necassry , can be so , can be so

in reality AVENGER is a toy to compare with the KIZILELMA

So why is Turkey going for a 4.5th generation fighter like Eurofighter?

Wouldn't it be better to go for a 5th generation fighter?

Don't get me wrong, we Pakistanis are happy for Turkey, but?

Even Saudi Arabia has Eurofighters, must be a good product.

 

[LeGenD]

Russia is lucky that Turkiye doesnt give superior weapons to Ukraine like AKINCI TB3 . ANKA UCAVs armed with 80-150-250-280-700 km missiles and guided munitions to turn Russian forces into scrap of metal from safe distance

also 60-80-200-500 km Kamikaze Drones
70-120-150-280-560 km guided MLRS and Ballistic Missiles
more MANPADS and Anti-Tank Weapons

Russians couldn't even understand where death came from
only a few seconds and BOOM


Turkish Armed Forces easly can kick backward technology Russian Armed Forces
but its not our war

Turkiye is not enemy to Russia and has good relationship with Russia

Pathetic Russian Air Force can not do even CAP mission in Ukraine
Pathetic Russian Armed Forces still fighting weak Ukraine which lack Air Force and modern weapons

You can claim anything on a forum. There is no limit to one's claims.

All MQ-9 UCAV user Countries have only pathetic capability with 12 km HELFIRE Missile
nothing else ... so pathetic

AKINCI fire even 150 km IHA-230 supersonic Missile to turn PATRIOT Air Defense System into scrap of metal

even I am not talking about cost effective 80-150-185 km TOLUN-IIR , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ , KEMANKES

also 280 km SOM and 700 km SUPER SIMSEK

MQ-9 can be equipped for any scenario. This is a matter of choice. The US can equip MQ-9 with AESA radar and significantly expand its air-to-air attack capability [if necessary]. No customer has requested this capability thus far.

Cruise Missiles Could Get Added To MQ-9's Arsenal

Serving as weapon trucks loaded with Joint Strike Missiles could be one way for the MQ-9 drone to remain relevant in future major conflicts.

www.twz.com

Patriot system has detected and handled [shot down] hypersonic projectiles/threats in war. Patriot system can also detect and engage targets beyond 150 km mark. No drone or even a jet fighter has managed to defeat a Patriot system in war.

Pakistan is not stupid to pay billions of Dollars for pathetic MQ-9 armed with only 8 HELLFIRE Missiles with range of 12 km

so easy target for Air Defense Systems


Pakistan bought the best thing
AKINCI UCAV carry 8 KUZGUN Missiles with range of 185 km also 4 TOLUN-IIR guided munitions with range of 80 km

Also 50-150-200 km MAM-T IIR , CAKIR ,IHA-230, KEMANKES to hit everything from safe distance

Pakistan was involved in War On Terror and could see various technologies in action. American MQ-9 drones had excellent COIN capability and Pakistan wanted to buy these drones because it was difficult for troops to move across mountains and catch most wanted terrorists in time. MQ-9 was excellent choice but the US refused to sell it. Pakistan turned to Chinese and Turkish solutions, therefore. I don't have complaints.

But my point of contention is different. You don't seem to understand that MQ-9 is an open platform and can be equipped for any scenario. Simple English.

 

[LeGenD]

Full of fairly tales
if necassry , if necassry , can be so , can be so

in reality AVENGER is a toy to compare with the KIZILELMA

The US is testing MQ-9 with different payloads. You are not paying attention. Everything is a fairy-tale to you.

 

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So why is Turkey going for a 4.5th generation fighter like Eurofighter?

Wouldn't it be better to go for a 5th generation fighter?

Turkiye joined JSF 5th gen Fighter Jet project in 2008 but in 2018 USA blocked sale of 100 F-35A to Turkiye

We need interim solution until the KAAN Fighter Jet squadrons enter service
( 40 F-16V and 40 Eurofighters )

no other 5th gen option for Turkiye from NATO


Turkiye develops its own 5th gen Fighter Jet and 35.000 lbf 5th gen turbofan Engine

 

[Feroze]

Turkiye joined JSF 5th gen Fighter Jet project in 2008 but in 2018 USA blocked sale of 100 F-35A to Turkiye

We need interim solution until the KAAN Fighter Jet squadrons enter service
( 40 F-16V and 40 Eurofighters )

no other 5th gen option for Turkiye from NATO


Turkiye develops its own 5th gen Fighter Jet and 35.000 lbf 5th gen turbofan Engine

Yeah we are happy for you guys.
West is not reliable for anything.

Self-reliance is important in this day age.

 

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You can claim anything on a forum. There is no limit to one's claims.

We show the reality
even with a Tactical Drone armed with only 8 km MAM-L laser guided Bomb

TB-2 kill list ... American-Chinese Drones no where
more than 1.000 military equipment including PANTSIR , BUK ,TOR , S300 Air Defense Systems

A Monument Of Victory: The Bayraktar TB2 Kill List

www.oryxspioenkop.com