Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[Bentley777]

This thing will be knocked out of sky quite easily
This is good for saturation attack in ground launched mode but indian naval defences will have easy time shoting them down.

Oh why didnot you tell it earlier they wasted their time and money also.

 

[Mrc]

P282 test is due

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Damn the accuracy

 

[MS Sandhu]

Oh why didnot you tell it earlier they wasted their time and money also.

People highlighted this thing on old PDF when Naval Chief first announced of this anti ship ballistic missile program.

Americans daily shot down these sort of thingies.

 

[Bilal]

People highlighted this thing on old PDF when Naval Chief first announced of this anti ship ballistic missile program.

Americans daily shot down these sort of thingies.

Americans have SM3

 

[Zarvan]

What was the altitude on the NOTAM?

There were two NOTAM. One was for today one for Wednesday. One with 350 tested today. Other one is 1500 KM

 

[Bentley777]

People highlighted this thing on old PDF when Naval Chief first announced of this anti ship ballistic missile program.

Americans daily shot down these sort of thingies.

People know nothing all speculation. Second its not for America. America naval might is unprecedented there fire power is Damn good they can fire 1000s of missile in seconds. I am sure it a stepping stone for pak navy they will improve this missile technology speed accuracy in future. Crux is its a good potent missile will give pak navy more options in offensive domain who knows we develop something like yj 12 in future from this program.

 

[Bilal]

There were two NOTAM. One was for today one for Wednesday. One with 350 tested today. Other one is 1500 KMView attachment 76944

I meant what was the altitude in the original NOTAM is you have. That would give us some idea of its trajectory.

 

[JamD]

Yes, but the aft ones seem fixed and tiny. Lol

Or maybe I am wrong:
View attachment 76932
This may point to very high speed.

Fair point lol.

Its really hard for us to guess fin sizing without knowing the mission profile. For example, as you pointed out, the missile might have a combination of thrust vectoring and fins that gives sufficient control authority over the entire envelope, with the thrust vectoring providing authority at low speeds while the missile accelerates and the fins taking over until impact. Let's just say I know of no reason for those fins to be fixed. Ok maybe if the rocket was firing until the end but that would be dumb to do.

 

[hussain0216]

Just checking is this a anti ship missile or land attack missile

 

[Zarvan]

I meant what was the altitude in the original NOTAM is you have. That would give us some idea of its trajectory.

That I don't know

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

People highlighted this thing on old PDF when Naval Chief first announced of this anti ship ballistic missile program.

Americans daily shot down these sort of thingies.

As for the serious military ops, various tactics go in tandem. These missiles will be fired along with DEAD, SEAD etc. ops - via EW, drones etc. - to get to the targets. For example, legendary success of TB2s, ANKAs etc. in Syria, Libya, Karabakh etc. were possible only when the Russian-made ADs got subdued by the "safe air corridors" generated by ASELSAN KORAL long range EW systems....

 

[JamD]

Seems like F2 antiship variant.

Doesn't look like F2, missile has different fins and size is totally different, seems more longer/much less wider than F2.
CloseupView attachment 76914

I feel like it is hard to say it has different size and width based on a few frames of video of SMASH and a REALLY grainy picture of Fatah-II (not the one shown by GIDS in shows). It could very well have a different width, length, fins but we cannot conclude either way at this point.

With that being said I wouldn't be shocked if these systems share a common heritage. Makes development and testing easier so no reason not to do it if it serves your purpose. Why have two rocket motor lines when you could have one for example. The fins might be different based on optimization for each of the missile's profiles. Their guidance computers might have differences but probably share a lot of architecture. The control laws are probably very similar (due to the same or similar aerodynamic layout), which will reduce development times. F2 SMASH are just names. I care very little about that. It is the capability that matters.

Regarding the accuracy - this is obviously with GNSS - it cannot be that with INS with the current state of the art. To serve an anti-ship function I think we would need to see some kind of optical sensor that tracks the vessel. So that is what I will be looking for in the future.

 

[Awwad]

People highlighted this thing on old PDF when Naval Chief first announced of this anti ship ballistic missile program.

Americans daily shot down these sort of thingies.

This isn't C801, the copies of which houthis are firing and americans are shooting.

We don't know the speed of SMaSh yet, but my guess is it could be anywhere between 3 to 5 mach. Not easy to intercept, especially if its at the higher end of that speed range.

Though its name tells its an anti-ship missile, but I think it will be quite useful in land attack role, radar stations, coastal installations, etc. Accuracy for fixed targets is 100% as shown in test.

 

[MS Sandhu]

This isn't C801, the copies of which houthis are firing and americans are shooting.

We don't know the speed of SMaSh yet, but my guess is it could be anywhere between 3 to 5 mach. Not easy to intercept, especially if its at the higher end of that speed range.

Though its name tells its an anti-ship missile, but I think it will be quite useful in land attack role, radar stations, coastal installations, etc. Accuracy for fixed targets is 100% as shown in test.

Azerbaijani Barak 8 reportedly shot down multiple Iskandar Ballistic Missiles during Azeri-Armenian war

This thing is not better than Iskandar for sure.And Indian Navy has deployed Barak 8 which have good anti ballistic missile capability

 

[Awwad]

This thing will be knocked out of sky quite easily
This is good for saturation attack in ground launched mode but indian naval defences will have easy time shoting them down.

People watching Israeli air defense layers got a very false perception that every country possess such ballistic missile defense shields. Israeli AD layers are built with 100s of billions of dollars and decades of R & D. There are 4 distinctive layers with centralized control. India and Pakistan air defenses will only be effective to some degree against fighter jets. 99% of missiles fired at each other will go without interception.
Level of AD of sub-continent is shooting down own helicopter. Letting each other fighter jets come across borders. Fire at enemy brigade HQs with all the time in the universe. Please don't apply israeli AD scenario at subcontinent.