PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[MastanKhan]

In my personal and most likely very unpopular opinion…
I don’t think PAF should buy J35(previously called J31) unless it comes at the same price per unit as the J10…which is unlikely.

Personally I have wanted PAF to acquire twin engine jets for a very long time…so it can have the ability to strike deep(if needed)…but if wishes were horses…

…I say this out of practicality…right now IAF has been falling behind in their squadron strength and other than outright purchasing more Rafales…or somehow coming up with a good amount of GE engines for their Tejas…there doesn’t seem to be anything on the horizon in the short term.
…even these aren’t really short term…it would take at least 5 years to have more new Rafales or Tejas in a meaningful number.

This opportunity can be used to allocate the available funds in a more meaningful way than buying a shiny new toy…a 5th gen fighter while the adversary is quite further out from having that.

…some possibilities are purchase more J10s(bcuz those F16s will be getting old in the next decade and afterwards).
…produce more JF17 block IIIs

Or a combination of the above…to basically have the squadron strength PAF wants…if the old legacy jets are to be phased out.

Most likely JF17s and J10s cost less per unit than J35…this means the extra money can be used to build more indigenous capabilities like SAM systems, munitions, and whatever level of participation in KAAN is(subsystems?).

Alternatively Pakistan as a country…could focus more on building its economy while tightening the belt a bit on defense spending.

Yes yes…hate me all u want…but I personally wouldn’t go buy a Lamborghini over let’s say buying a house and a Toyota Corolla.
…all I’m saying is that if PAF has breathing room…it should use it for longer term gains.

@Oscar @Quwa @Be dazzled @Fatman17
Thoughts?

Hi,

Going for the J35 at this time is for longer term gains regardless of the price---.

I will not go into the 'why' unless the Paf discloses it---but the reasons are extremely strong for the Paf to take this leap forward tactically and strategically---.

My vote 110% is for the Paf---is like a coupe de grace---.

 

[maverick]

Hi,

Remind me when it hits the pavement---. I will owe you a very very nice dinner for two---.

i am up for it Sir Mastan Khan

 

[Oscar]

In my personal and most likely very unpopular opinion…
I don’t think PAF should buy J35(previously called J31) unless it comes at the same price per unit as the J10…which is unlikely.

Personally I have wanted PAF to acquire twin engine jets for a very long time…so it can have the ability to strike deep(if needed)…but if wishes were horses…

…I say this out of practicality…right now IAF has been falling behind in their squadron strength and other than outright purchasing more Rafales…or somehow coming up with a good amount of GE engines for their Tejas…there doesn’t seem to be anything on the horizon in the short term.
…even these aren’t really short term…it would take at least 5 years to have more new Rafales or Tejas in a meaningful number.

This opportunity can be used to allocate the available funds in a more meaningful way than buying a shiny new toy…a 5th gen fighter while the adversary is quite further out from having that.

…some possibilities are purchase more J10s(bcuz those F16s will be getting old in the next decade and afterwards).
…produce more JF17 block IIIs

Or a combination of the above…to basically have the squadron strength PAF wants…if the old legacy jets are to be phased out.

Most likely JF17s and J10s cost less per unit than J35…this means the extra money can be used to build more indigenous capabilities like SAM systems, munitions, and whatever level of participation in KAAN is(subsystems?).

Alternatively Pakistan as a country…could focus more on building its economy while tightening the belt a bit on defense spending.

Yes yes…hate me all u want…but I personally wouldn’t go buy a Lamborghini over let’s say buying a house and a Toyota Corolla.
…all I’m saying is that if PAF has breathing room…it should use it for longer term gains.

@Oscar @Quwa @Be dazzled @Fatman17
Thoughts?

There is definite reason for that argument - after all the PAF held off the J-10C until seeing what the IAF does.

But there is precedent to PAF leaping over IAF - such as F-16 purchase and we know even with just 40 they were a major concern.

Question isn’t so if and why they should go for it but when. That comes down to funding which so far seems a mystery.

 

[Beijingwalker]

While India waits for Tejas aircraft, China unveils new ‘invisible’ fighter jet which Pakistan is buying, its name is…​

Pakistan's army has also purchased this fighter jet.​

Published: November 5, 2024 9:35 PM IST

By Tahir Qureshi |Edited by Tahir Qureshi

New Delhi: Amid the ongoing tensions with the US and India, China’s People’s Liberation Army Air Force has introduced its fifth-generation new fighter jet J-35A to the world at the country’s Zhuhai Airshow.

It is said that the J-35A is Chinese answer to America’s F-35. China’s military claims that this fighter jet is equipped with stealth technology and it cannot be tracked by any radar systems. In this way, the Chinese aircraft will be invisible in a way and will be able to carry out operations inside the enemy territory.

The J-35A is a medium-sized stealth fighter capable of performing multiple roles, said Colonel Niu Wenbo of the Chinese Air Force. Pakistan’s army has also purchased this fighter jet of China and its supply is going to start soon. Pakistani pilots are taking training to fly it.

While China and Pakistan are joining their air forces with stealth fighter jets, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is still waiting for a new version of its indigenous fourth generation fighter jet Tejas. US company GE is not providing engines for the new version of Tejas fighter jets. They said that they will now be able to supply it in the year 2025.

While the Indian Air Force (IAF) is waiting for Tejas, the biggest enemy China is including new fighter jets one after the other. Not only this, China is also giving it to Pakistan, due to which the danger is increasing significantly while India’s Tejas is not equipped with stealth technology.

China’s J-35A answer to America’s F-35?​

The Zhuhai Air Show is going to be held in China from November 12 to 17. Russia’s Sukhoi-57 fighter jet has also arrived to join it. A Chinese military official released a picture of this fighter jet but did not give more information.

He also did not say whether it has been inducted into the Air Force or not. After the US, China has now become the second country whose air force includes two types of stealth fighter jets. China already has J-20 stealth fighter jets. This new fighter jet is being discussed in China’s social media.

Defense experts say that China’s J-35 fighter jet is the answer to America’s F-35. Unlike the F-35, the J-35 fighter is not equipped with vertical take-off and landing capabilities.

While India waits for Tejas aircraft, China unveils new 'invisible' fighter jet which Pakistan is buying, its name is…

Pakistan's army has also purchased this fighter jet.

www.india.com

 

[Cookie Monster]

Hi,

Going for the J35 at this time is for longer term gains regardless of the price---.

I will not go into the 'why' unless the Paf discloses it---but the reasons are extremely strong for the Paf to take this leap forward tactically and strategically---.

My vote 110% is for the Paf---is like a coupe de grace---.

Could you elaborate further? Unless it comes with ToT(which I highly doubt)…or gives Pakistan something(technologically) that can aid in KAAN program/partnership…
…chances are…at most Pakistan will have a couple of squadrons of J35…a tip of the spear of sorts.
It will give PAF the ability to carry out deeper strikes inside India due to low observability and more range…
…but in smallish numbers(relatively speaking) it is unlikely to tilt the balance drastically(in a long drawn out war). In fact if a long drawn out war is to occur…Pakistan’s economy will give out within months(as things are right now).

I’m well aware of what 5th gen fighters are capable of…what I’m saying is…PAF should only get these expensive jets when necessary(to keep technological parity). Right now while IAF is caught slipping…PAF should think longer term than importing a couple of squadrons of expensive jets.

Anyways…as a I said…unpopular opinion on my end.

 

[MastanKhan]

@Khansaheeb

I believe it is over 20 years that I read an article / interview from an F-22 pilot.

This is regarding your question you had of rear firing missiles.

The first most important thing he mentioned was that a 5th gen pilot is made to forget conventional air combat. His primary goal becomes shoot from a distance & scoot---stay invisible an avoid merges at all cost---.

Merges create 50/50 situations where any conventional aircraft has as good a chance of shooting down a non conventional aircraft---.

Fighting from a position of strength is the most important thing in any fight---and the position of strength for a 5th gen aircraft is staying invisible and use its long range missiles to take the enemy down without getting in range of a conventional fighter aircraft---.

I remember of writing on pakdef.info at or around 2004 and I got lambasted by every member when I mentioned that future combat would be based on a very high number of aircraft in a sortie and merges may not happen---bvr will rule the engagement---and whomsoever had better bvr missiles and EW package would rule the roost---.

That created a firestorm which resulted in me being fired from that forum---.

Well 20 years ago---information like that was rare but my sources were solid---the access was available to many---but the majority did not know where to find it---but even when they found it---they could not believe that one on one combat and tail chases would be a thing of the past and fighter aircraft machine guns would be a museum pieces.

Now we know that HOBS missile will rule in close in combat---where you won't need rear launch missile.

Hobs missiles are basically almost close to rear facing missiles after making that sharp sharp turn---.

 

[Deino]

J-35A ...

 

[Michael]

J-35A ...

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J35A is not an export version, You shouldn't be posting in this PAF J35 thread. Otherwise, certain friends are going to get excited again.LOL

 

[PakAl]

J35A is not an export version, You shouldn't be posting in this PAF J35 thread. Otherwise, certain friends are going to get excited again.LOL

J35 and J31 thread should he merged, it's the same plane but different models due to one being PLA, one export and one navy.

 

[mythbuster]

J35A is not an export version, You shouldn't be posting in this PAF J35 thread. Otherwise, certain friends are going to get excited again.LOL

Export versions or for countries other than Pakistan .......J35 for Pakistan , in certain aspects , maybe even superior to the ones to be inducted by Chinese airforce .

 

[Deino]

Export versions or for countries other than Pakistan .......J35 for Pakistan , in certain aspects , maybe even superior to the ones inducted by Chinese airforce .

Are you speaking in future tense? I never heard that those for the Chinese airforce are already inducted !

 

[mythbuster]

There is definite reason for that argument - after all the PAF held off the J-10C until seeing what the IAF does.

But there is precedent to PAF leaping over IAF - such as F-16 purchase and we know even with just 40 they were a major concern.

Question isn’t so if and why they should go for it but when. That comes down to funding which so far seems a mystery.

Finding is not an issue ....I know you will go berserk but I will emphatically say again ....J35 is not India specific .

 

[mythbuster]

Are you speaking in future tense? I never heard that those for the Chinese airforce are already inducted !

Edited that.... thanks for pointing out .

 

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