Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[vmro]

Iran's sovereignty has been violated. I can't care less about humanitarian aid to Gaza or Lebanon, or pre-October 7th borders for Gaza.

If anything, Hamas is partially to blame for this. I know that the situation was draconian and Israel is an asshole, but they started something that they couldn't have won without a strategy. October 7th was done without proper planning and coordination and there's a chance that Arab countries will continue to normalize their ties with Israel now that Trump is back.

Hezbollah is very, very important for Iranian national interests and provides comprehensive protection against its nemesis... Hamas, to be real, almost started conflict with Hezbollah and was kicked out of Syria because of that... but, it's not time for such narrative because Hamas is only true power in Gaza... Israel first...

 

[LongLiveIran]

Ordinary people lives can't be ignored dear. Do think about them too.

I understand that but we are responsible for Iranian lives first. From a game theoretic point of view, if Iran doesn't respond to a violation of its sovereignty, we can expect more attacks like this to follow. The taboo of Israel attacking Iran directly has been broken and if it goes unpunished, it will hugely hurt Iran's deterrence not only against Israel but also against US-backed regimes in the region.

This is pretty much like the situation with Soleimani's assassination. The regime decided to deescalate and it only led to further aggression by the West. In particular, now that Trump is back, a signal of weakness will only lead to further aggression by them.

Hezbollah is very, very important for Iranian national interests and provides comprehensive protection against its nemesis... Hamas, to be real, almost started conflict with Hezbollah and was kicked out of Syria because of that... but, it's not time for such narrative because Hamas is only true power in Gaza... Israel first...

Yes, Hezbollah is indeed important for Iran. Hamas played dirty in Syria but I would say that Hamas was also an important piece of puzzle against Israel. But Hamas committed suicide with October 7th and it dragged Iran into an unwanted situation without informing us. I still doubt that some factions inside Hamas did it intentionally. I don't trust Ikhwan Al-Muslimin. Both Qatar and Turkey have strategic ties with the US and NATO and it's hard to trust them.

 

[Khansaheeb]

Not exactly.

Interceptors will take 12-18 months at least to replenish and the economy is not improving any time soon.

Iran should attack within weeks and not months though now.

It may be wanting to repair that OTH radar base that got damaged and also learn and implement lessons from the previous Zio-US attack.

If Trump resolves the Ukraine-Russia conflict then they will be able to exclusively focus on Iran and Palestine. Best to kick off now but ensure supply lines with China, Russia and Pakistan are set up.

 

[UKBengali]

If Trump resolves the Ukraine-Russia conflict then they will be able to exclusively focus on Iran and Palestine. Best to kick off now but ensure supply lines with China, Russia and Pakistan are set up.

In essence the Ukraine war has run its course and there is nothing left for Trump to "resolve".

US has recently provided many billions of extra aid for Ukraine that will feed in over the next year. Trump cannot really stop this without risking too much political capital and it may end in disaster for him in Congress.

Germany already is slashing its assistance to Ukraine as it is broke like many other western countries.

Ukraine in essence is a beaten state but the west or Ukraine just cannot admit it openly. It will either capitulate to Russian demands or completely collapse in the next 1-2 years against Russia.

 

[Khansaheeb]

I understand that but we are responsible for Iranian lives first. From a game theoretic point of view, if Iran doesn't respond to a violation of its sovereignty, we can expect more attacks like this to follow. The taboo of Israel attacking Iran directly has been broken and if it goes unpunished, it will hugely hurt Iran's deterrence not only against Israel but also against US-backed regimes in the region.

This is pretty much like the situation with Soleimani's assassination. The regime decided to deescalate and it only led to further aggression by the West. In particular, now that Trump is back, a signal of weakness will only lead to further aggression by them.

Yes, Hezbollah is indeed important for Iran. Hamas played dirty in Syria but I would say that Hamas was also an important piece of puzzle against Israel. But Hamas committed suicide with October 7th and it dragged Iran into an unwanted situation without informing us. I still doubt that some factions inside Hamas did it intentionally. I don't trust Ikhwan Al-Muslimin. Both Qatar and Turkey have strategic ties with the US and NATO and it's hard to trust them.

Israel was going to commit a genocide whatever Hamas did, so no , they didn't commit a suicide , it was their stand for freedom and they are willing to pay any price for it. The signs were on the wall when the US started supplying 1 ton bombs , shockingly with no conditions applied and no red lines for Israel. The Israelis were given the green light and all the tools to break every man made rules and laws and religon doctrines of human decency and they will have to pay a heavy price.

 

[LongLiveIran]

Israel was going to commit a genocide whatever Hamas did, so no , they didn't commit a suicide , it was their stand for freedom and they are willing to pay any price for it. The signs were on the wall when the US started supplying 1 ton bombs , shockingly with no conditions applied and no red lines for Israel. The Israelis were given the green light and all the tools to break every man made rules and laws and religon doctrines of human decency and they will have to pay a heavy price.

Israel was not planning an invasion of Gaza before October 7th. If you have evidence that there was an immediate invasion of Gaza on the table, do provide it.

 

[UKBengali]

Israel was not planning an invasion of Gaza before October 7th. If you have evidence that there was an immediate invasion of Gaza on the table, do provide it.

I don't think that is what he meant.

They were looking for a pretext, no matter how flimsy.

Anyway Gaza was being suffocated to death and look at how nearly 300 Palestinians were murdered in the West Bank before October 7th in 2023 alone.

Maybe it was not the best choice in hindsight but every occupied nation has the right to armed resistance.

 

[LongLiveIran]

I don't think that is what he meant.

They were looking for a pretext, no matter how flimsy.

Anyway Gaza was being suffocated to death and look at how nearly 300 Palestinians were murdered in the West Bank before October 7th in 2023 alone.

Maybe it was not the best choice in hindsight but every occupied nation has the right to armed resistance.

I am fully aware of the Draconian measures of the Zionist regime against Palestinians (not only in Gaza but also in the West Bank, but even more so in the Gaza Strip) but October 7th was purely an offense by Hamas without a well-planned strategy.

Their entire plan collapsed after day 4. What did Hamas achieve with this? One would argue that Hamas put the agenda of a Palestinian state in news headlines and stopped the propagation of normalization of Arab relations with Israel. But then again, we all know that Arab rulers are shameless and now that Trump is back, many of them will move ahead with the Abraham Accords.

October 7th weakened the resistance against Israel and allowed Israel to do ethnic cleansing and genocide openly.

 

[StrategicBear]

Better to be bargained for Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon & Gaza to pre-Oct 7, 2023 position and opening of humanitarian aid throughout Gaza and Lebanon.

Satanyahu will never withdraw from Lebanon and Gaza.

It's clear his goals are to annex Gaza Strip and push Hezbollah beyond the Litani to Beirut, meaning this will be a Total War scenario just like WW2's Soviet counterinvasion into Germany.

Don't be naive Iran. Israel now has no plans for peace, so Iran's plans must be how to fight and win a war, not avoiding one. War is inevitable and it is not Iran's fault but the other side, so man up and don't run from the challenges facing us.

 

[UKBengali]

October 7th weakened the resistance against Israel and allowed Israel to do ethnic cleansing and genocide openly.

It is easy for free nations to say that Hamas should have waited but they are the ones that are being occupied, land stolen, murdered, imprisoned etc.

Sometimes you just reach that breaking point and go for broke. I have no idea why they felt they needed to do it but as a Muslim and human being I feel it is my duty to support them, even if I personally do not agree with what they did on October 7th.

No one "allowed" the entity to do genocide and ethnic cleansing and it is all on the Zionists and their backers. That is the argument of the Zionists to excuse their genocide and many crimes against the Palestinian people. A usual line is "Hamas knew what the response would be" as if that is any excuse.

 

[LongLiveIran]

Satanyahu will never withdraw from Lebanon and Gaza.

It's clear his goals are to annex Gaza Strip and push Hezbollah beyond the Litani to Beirut, meaning this will be a Total War scenario just like WW2's Soviet counterinvasion into Germany.

Don't be naive Iran. Israel now has no plans for peace, so Iran's plans must be how to fight and win a war, not avoiding one. War is inevitable and it is not Iran's fault but the other side, so man up and don't run from the challenges facing us.

Exactly. It's foolish to think that Israel will give up on her gains and sign a peace. They are completely dominant now. Why would they give concessions? They aren't retarded.

People who think Israel will sign a peace treaty and withdraw from Gaza or South Lebanon are astronomically more stupid than people who think Ukraine can liberate her lost territory.

 

[LongLiveIran]

It is easy for free nations to say that Hamas should have waited but they are the ones that are being occupied, land stolen, murdered, imprisoned etc.

Sometimes you just reach that breaking point and go for broke. I have no idea why they felt they needed to do it but as a Muslim and human being I feel it is my duty to support them, even if I personally do not agree with what they did on October 7th.

No one "allowed" the entity to do genocide and ethnic cleansing and it is all on the Zionists and their backers. That is the argument of the Zionists to excuse their genocide and many crimes against the Palestinian people. A usual line is "Hamas knew what the response would be".

That's a load of bullshit to be honest.

We don't have a duty to support Hamas. Neither as a human being, nor as a Muslim. If I'm to choose between Hamas and Hezbollah, 10 out of 10 I will choose Hezbollah each and every time because Hezbollah has proven to be loyal and effective against Israel. Hamas is the same group that weakened Syria and Hezbollah a few years ago. I'm not saying that we shouldn't support Hamas, but Hamas has imposed a huge price on the resistance axis for something with zero gains so far.

They have killed over 40,000 people in the Gaza Strip and they have gotten away with it. I'm sure over one million people have been displaced by the war. Not even a single sanction has been imposed on Israel for that. You can play with words as much as you want, but Israel has been allowed to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza without paying a price. Russia hasn't done even one-tenth of Israel's atrocities in Ukraine and they have been sanctioned by half of the world and have been kicked out of international organizations, even in sports.

 

[UKBengali]

People who think Israel will sign a peace treaty and withdraw from Gaza or South Lebanon are astronomically more stupid than people who think Ukraine can liberate her lost territory.

Military and economic pressure is the only way.

Even with Harris this would have been the path that had any chance to succeed.

 

[UKBengali]

We don't have a duty to support Hamas. Neither as a human being, nor as a Muslim. If I'm to choose between Hamas and Hezbollah, 10 out of 10 I will choose Hezbollah each and every time. Hamas is the same group that weakened Syria and Hezbollah a few years ago.

I was not talking about Iran as a nation but me personally as a Muslim and human being.

Agree with Hezbollah and Iran and so please do not take my posts as any attack on either your opinions or Iran's obligations to Hamas.

Yes Hamas scored an own goal by fighting against Hezbollah and the Syrian government. They let sect affinity cloud their better judgement there.

 

[Khansaheeb]

Israel was not planning an invasion of Gaza before October 7th. If you have evidence that there was an immediate invasion of Gaza on the table, do provide it.

Why were the Isarelis being supplied with 1 ton bombs and unlimited supply of weapons by the US and Euorpeans? For a picnic?