PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Michael]

Larger fuselage = Larger RCS? Which means, Jeff can detect it at a longer range too, thereby bringing it down to who blinks first?

The premise of this argument is: The same technology platform. You can't throw out that premise and just mention that conclusion. You'll mislead people that way.

IMO, if you don't have an A2A missile with a good enough range to take advantage of the first detection then this argument is trivial.

To be precise you need to have a means of attack at a sufficient distance. It could be an A2A missile or some other means of attack. As long as the distance of attack of this means of attack meets the requirements.

then also add, if, lets say, su-30mki and JFT are in the same league technologically, even then with new ECCM and SPJ they will still not equal plus at the end who carries better AA missile. in 2019, su30mki had bigger radar but huge rcs , while f16 had smaller radar and smaller rcs at end aim120c5 did the trick, even assume su30mki can see f16 btu cannot over shoot it while f16mlu could and they did got one of the su30mki. so it is just not the big radar and bigger range that makes the difference, it is the whole package.

My point is that Su30MKI is definitely superior to F16 or JF17B3 in equal technical conditions. This pre-condition cannot be thrown away.

But the fact is that they hardly have equal technical conditions. The current JF17B3 has an absolute advantage in radar and A2A missiles, and there is a large technological generation gap between it and the Su30MKI. That's why I think the JF17B3 can easily beat the Su30MKI, but the J16, which is also the successor to the Su27 series, has no technology gap with the JF17B3. The J16's larger fuselage gives it greater performance, and the JF17B3 will be at a disadvantage in a battle with the J16.

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In real combat, the advantage of RCS is not an absolute advantage; the pilot's handling of the fighter, the synergistic performance of the fighter's various subsystems, and the offense and defense of the EW system, among other factors, all affect the final outcome.
In the information released by the U.S. military, the EA-18G successfully shot down the F22.In the information released by PLA, the J16 successfully shot down the J20.

 

[SaadH]

The premise of this argument is: The same technology platform. You can't throw out that premise and just mention that conclusion. You'll mislead people that way.


To be precise you need to have a means of attack at a sufficient distance. It could be an A2A missile or some other means of attack. As long as the distance of attack of this means of attack meets the requirements.


My point is that Su30MKI is definitely superior to F16 or JF17B3 in equal technical conditions. This pre-condition cannot be thrown away.

But the fact is that they hardly have equal technical conditions. The current JF17B3 has an absolute advantage in radar and A2A missiles, and there is a large technological generation gap between it and the Su30MKI. That's why I think the JF17B3 can easily beat the Su30MKI, but the J16, which is also the successor to the Su27 series, has no technology gap with the JF17B3. The J16's larger fuselage gives it greater performance, and the JF17B3 will be at a disadvantage in a battle with the J16.

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In real combat, the advantage of RCS is not an absolute advantage; the pilot's handling of the fighter, the synergistic performance of the fighter's various subsystems, and the offense and defense of the EW system, among other factors, all affect the final outcome.
In the information released by the U.S. military, the EA-18G successfully shot down the F22.In the information released by PLA, the J16 successfully shot down the J20.

Su-30MKI in all it's manifestations is not "definitely" superior to any blk 52+ AMRAAM armed F-16s in pure air to air combat. Su-30 can carry more armament at longer range, but F16 will give the former a run for it's money in most modern and realistic A2A scenarios.

 

[Yasser76]

Su-30MKI in all it's manifestations is not "definitely" superior to any blk 52+ AMRAAM armed F-16s in pure air to air combat. Su-30 can carry more armament at longer range, but F16 will give the former a run for it's money in most modern and realistic A2A scenarios.

Yup, Feb 2019 showed SU-30 has no stomach to take on F-16

 

[Michael]

This is a great visual.

 

[studsmart]

Yup, Feb 2019 showed SU-30 has no stomach to take on F-16

Unless it gets mlu and other upgrades

 

[studsmart]

This is a great visual.
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I started liking this scheme

 

[Yasser76]

Unless it gets mlu and other upgrades

Sure, that is the case with many planes though, if my aunty got an certain anatomy upgrade she would be my uncle, so what?

 

[studsmart]

Sure, that is the case with many planes though, if my aunty got an certain anatomy upgrade she would be my uncle, so what?

it is happening now a days

how ever IAF is planning to upgrades these su-30mki just like they are trying to upgrade mig29.. not sure how far have they gone or what is the status.

 

[Yasser76]

it is happening now a days

how ever IAF is planning to upgrades these su-30mki just like they are trying to upgrade mig29.. not sure how far have they gone or what is the status.

IAF have not signed for any SU-30 uograde yet, and when they do HAL has given timeline of 10 years. I am more worried about climate change timeline then HAL integrating several domestic and foreign components into a Russian plane for the very first time.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

J10C Leading from the front.

 

[Yommie]

This is a great visual.
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Wow! I'm digging the ground attack camo scheme.

 

[guangdongt]

 

[guangdongt]

 

[guangdongt]

This is the J10CE produced by Guizhou Aircraft Company. The staff of Chengdu Aircraft Company said that the J10C production line has been transferred to Guizhou Aircraft Company

 

[ghazi52]