PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

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[Awwad]

Hence, the PAF would likely pursue both the J-10CE and J-35A. The ideal mix would be 150 J-10CEs and JF-17 Block-3s and 90 J-35As

You need to mention timelines, otherwise people start to think its going to be like that within next 10 years.

 

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[Oscar]

Hey Oscar , why don't you join ISI's psychological warfare department ?

They can’t afford me
And
They can’t control me

Jk

 

[AjayGhatak]

So, now that Pakistan has ordered the J-35(and it is expensive) - it is also trying to gauge India’s response -

1. Pakistan can get the WS-21 version - it has benefits in having common core with RD-93 full overhaul available. It will also give it an immediate edge but also gives India a target to best - after all aircraft are not like cellphones that you can change every week.

2. Pakistan can delay induction a little and see if India responds by buying something under both actual military requirement pressure and political influence. Will it buy more Rafale? Will it buy the F-35? Will it buy a different fighter?
Once again, even with India’s deep pockets it cannot buy aircraft like chocolates and a purchase means a commitment for decades in terms of both funds and Human Resources. So once it pulls the trigger it has to stick to it.

The case here is - if Pakistan gets the J-35 it could likely have some land by late 2026 if it wishes with the WS-21. But the same money constraints India has Pakistanis have it even worse.

If they get a version now and commit to it - they will not have funds for a fairly long time to commit to another version of the J-35 leave alone another 5th generation project like the Kaan.

Truth is to be told for past so many years, India has been reluctant to actually push its defence spending.



Right now it is about 1.9%

Now if it pushes defence spending to 3% for 5 years, That will be about 25 billion dollar additional each year. 3% is very much doable. And 25 billion dollars additional each year will cancel anything and everything that Pakistan does. No amount of strategy can fix that.

So yeah, India can indeed buy fighter jets like chocolates if it wants as it is being extremely conservative with its defence spending till now.

 

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Why it looks more F-22 and less J-35A?

 

[MastanKhan]

India will never get its hands on f-35. Just look at all the preconditions on f-35 acquisition from the Turkish side. J-35 with slightly downgrade engine in ws-21 is still better than whatever India currently have unless paf wants to wait a few more years for ws-19.

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Hi,

Now----is the WS-21 an upgraded chinese version of the RD93---if so---then Paf would in all propabability go for the WS-21.

Even for the F16's---Paf went for the Pratt & whitney engine a comparatively less powerful engine---.

 

[MastanKhan]

Truth is to be told for past so many years, India has been reluctant to actually push its defence spending.

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Right now it is about 1.9%

Now if it pushes defence spending to 3% for 5 years, That will be about 25 billion dollar additional each year. 3% is very much doable. And 25 billion dollars additional each year will cancel anything and everything that Pakistan does. No amount of strategy can fix that.

So yeah, India can indeed buy fighter jets like chocolates if it wants as it is being extremely conservative with its defence spending till now.

Hi,

India does not have the funds to buy more fighter aircraft---.

 

[guangdongt]

The current engine of the J-35 series is WS-21, with a thrust of approximately 9100-9200 kg and a thrust to weight ratio of about 8.2 [not simple]
The data completely surpasses F404, M88-2, and RD33, but still falls far short compared to F414 and EJ200, less than a generation.

ws21


The target engine of J-35 is WS-19, with a thrust of approximately 9800-10000 kg and a thrust to weight ratio of 9.8-10 according to the data provided by the chief engineer. The performance surpasses F414 and is comparable to EJ200. The following chart was given at the official meeting in 2022

 

[Michael]

Hi,

Now----is the WS-21 an upgraded chinese version of the RD93---if so---then Paf would in all propabability go for the WS-21.

Even for the F16's---Paf went for the Pratt & whitney engine a comparatively less powerful engine---.

Again
The WS13 is a Chinese copy of the RD93.
The WS13E is an upgraded version of WS13.
The WS21 is an upgraded version of the WS13E.

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Nov 9, 2024

Why would Pakistan and other export customers settle for the inferior WS-21 when the WS19 is available?

No-one is going to be buying J-35 with WS-13E engine - lol.

You guys don't know anything about WS21, yet you arbitrarily jump to conclusions. I'm disappointed.

The WS21 is an upgraded version of the WS13E.

2007. When China delivered the JF-17 to Pakistan, India pressured Russia not to supply RD93 engines to Pakistan. Final agreement. China buys RD93 from Russia and then exports it to Pakistan. Due to this incident, China started copying RD93, i.e. WS13.

In 2016. fc-31...

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[Oscar]

Truth is to be told for past so many years, India has been reluctant to actually push its defence spending.

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Right now it is about 1.9%

Now if it pushes defence spending to 3% for 5 years, That will be about 25 billion dollar additional each year. 3% is very much doable. And 25 billion dollars additional each year will cancel anything and everything that Pakistan does. No amount of strategy can fix that.

So yeah, India can indeed buy fighter jets like chocolates if it wants as it is being extremely conservative with its defence spending till now.

No it cannot buy like chocolates even if it puts 100% to defense.

Because unlike your understanding jets don’t come in a wrapper which you take off and enjoy -
They are systems that take years to manufacture, months to set up logistics and support equipment, years to fully train, induct not just for flyers but also maintenance - then more years to fully understand how to deploy them within the existing warfighting machine.

 

[AjayGhatak]

No it cannot buy like chocolates even if it puts 100% to defense.

Because unlike your understanding jets don’t come in a wrapper which you take off and enjoy -
They are systems that take years to manufacture, months to set up logistics and support equipment, years to fully train, induct not just for flyers but also maintenance - then more years to fully understand how to deploy them within the existing warfighting machine.

There is this thing called as selling from your own inventory. Depending upon situation, it can be arranged, for a fee ofcourse.

And btw, the same applies to Pakistan as well. If India decides to ramp up its fifth gen with a 120 billion dollar infusion, what will Pakistan do? Rather what can Pakistan do?

Nothing.

So yes, India can indeed buy fighters like chocolates.

 

[AjayGhatak]

Hi,

India does not have the funds to buy more fighter aircraft---.

Well, if you will call day as night then yeah there is nothing to argue about it.