United States elections 2024: Donald Trump Wins
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Davey Crockett
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-will defend the American tradition & Western civilisation
Yes, I know I am on a forum with mostly non-whites, Muslims.
I came here to get your point of view, most of what I agree with.
Learned some, thank you.
I like to keep my world view simple, in 14 Words:
"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."
My hometown. Elders are very proud.
Alter_Ego
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1: Muslim is not a race soooo
2: Defend western civilization against what specificially?
Muslims have no problem with Western European civilization per se. Quite frankly muslim civilization dosent regard western civilization its enemy or anything. If anything the Quran talks warm about Christians and Rome. So i really dont get it why christian and non-christian europeans thinks its like that. Guy like Alexander the Great is sometimes interpreted as a Muslim Prophet. His teacher btw was Aristotle.
Islamic civilization is mostly concerned with internal matters and is the heir to the oldest cultures on Earth. Heck Islamic civilization could even claim Greece and Rome as its own, with even more legitimacy than western europe which was a barbaric backwater on the edge of Eurasia, until quite recently.
Quite contrary its Western Europe which is obsessed with Islam. Go visit any muslim country, people really dont care about European living, other than knowing that its a well governed area with good standard of life and something to learn from.
In the past people lived more isolated because of geographical boundaries and long travel-time. That period in human history is over.
I will provide you middle east as an example. You know why middle east became the area where the very first civilizations sprung up and why people there is heavily intermixed? Why islam, which has a political ideological movement, was so succesful there? Its because in MENA there are no geographical boundaries, making it easy to travel and do trade. Europe by contrast was heavily forest covered and cold as F***, ergo unfriendly to agriculture and trading.
What i am trying to say is that high culture, civilization and intermixing of peoples is strongly correlated to freedom of movement and ease of trade, including trade of ideas knowledge and tech.
Davey i dont wanna shatter your or any white europeans mind-world. But let me propose something that may sound mind-bending to you:
Western civilization is actually a child of Islamic Civilization. Il go one step further: Western Civilization is a part of Muslim Civilization. Finally the ultimate reality: Western Civilization is the newest phase of Islamic Civilization.
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Starlord
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Of course, What I mean is that majority of American thinks that their country is standing up for justice and Liberty and equality for all, hence the joke Ref of Captain American/Superman, but In reality America is more like Homelander from the show Boys.
I Personally think Trump will try to not start a war, maybe try to renegotiate the two state solution with his son in law's help, will Israel/Palestinians accept it is yet to be seen, if Trump gets a reasonable deal done in middle east between scums of Israel and Palestine his name will be passed on the legends in American/World History. Again a far stretched theory but that all we have at this point, we have to remember that Trump is a businessman from its core more than a Politician so he will be looking for his own benefit and try to put his name of top, he sure well know that he won't be getting another term, so not just have to take care of his cases but also try to make it all about himself cause he is also a narcissist like many Americans.
Idk why people like Obama, he was as bad as Bush if not worse.
There are examples that world's great powers can show restrains, China is a good example for it but I don't want to go in that direction, USA is particularly violent because of its violent nature since its inception, America's entire history is build up Genocide and mass murdering hence Americans are very easily get used to with it.
And I personally think that the Zionists has seen that in/after WW2 when US used 2 nukes on a civilian cities, if I was a Zionist who holds people that can influence i would also make sure that my lobby controls the USA deep state so it will US weapons/men fighting and bleeding in wars for my twisted religious ideology.
America don't have to take sides of anyone, America is not just taking sides but threatening anyone who would dare to stop a Genocide that includes UN/ICC and ICJ, those are all independent bodies and US has in past and will be using them in future to its own advantage, that is the literal definition of a Hypocrisy and Bullying. There is no nicer way to put it and I don't think you saying that it will be same either way doesn't hold water, If Arabs holds power over USA and its congress I can bet they won't be pushing USA to give them diplomatic cover for a Genocide while the rest of the world trying for a peaceful resolution, I think USA has put itself in a very hypocritically unique way which humanity has not and will never witness.
FuturePAF
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If Trump picks Lindsey Graham as his Sec.Def as some say he might, it might not be good for the continuation of the PDM government in Pakistan.
Lindsey Graham laid out how Pakistan can rebuild a strategic relationship with the US, under IK’s leadership.
Also for the Talibs, IK is there greatest chance to get global recognition and thereby protection for their regime form plots to overthrow it.
Also a side note, the Trump administration seems to want to reign the US generals for perceived political interference. They might find a kindred spirit in IK.
Lindsey Graham laid out how Pakistan can rebuild a strategic relationship with the US, under IK’s leadership.
Also for the Talibs, IK is there greatest chance to get global recognition and thereby protection for their regime form plots to overthrow it.
Also a side note, the Trump administration seems to want to reign the US generals for perceived political interference. They might find a kindred spirit in IK.
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j_hungary
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Well, we stand up for justice and liberty for all AMERICAN.
We (as American) stopped caring about the world a long time ago. Perhaps Jacquin Pheonix put it in the best way possible in Hotel Rwanda
Most American don't care about stuff that happened 6000 miles from them, they will think it's none of their business, and they will feel bad and then keep on living with their life. I mean, they don't care about me who went over 6000 miles to fight in the middle east for their name, do you think they will care whatever happened to the people who were there??
As I said, you are entitled to what you think, I can explain to you, but I can't think for you, so instead I will just put things into perspective.
After Trump won, there are a few ministers in Israel call for "annexation of West Bank"
Jared Krusher said September 27 is the most crucial date for Israel on his twitter
Trump once said he is the protector of Isreal
Donald Trump sees himself as 'protector' of Israel
What does that mean for the war in Gaza?
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Trump moved US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and sign the Abraham Accord in 2020. Which most Middle Eastern analysis said it was the pre-cursor for Hamas Oct 7 attack. And that is on his first term, first term president usually play ball in politics as they seek re-election, now he is on his second term, second term President are generally more "Liberal" with their policy, and by "Liberal" I don't mean it's considerate, I mean the reason why I left US on Obama Second term.....
I would say, I would consider lucky for Trump to not further the violence in the Middle East. It would be a miracle for him to consider anything close to a two states solution, unless this is what the Israeli wanted. But as I said, you are entitled to what you think. At best, what you have is what we have now, and if that does happens, I will count that a blessing.
First of all, if you have studied Chinese History at all, you probably don't want to comment China being peaceful and show restraint. In fact, Chinese 5000+ years of history are full of violence both domestic and aboard, and their war tend to create the biggest amount of casualty than any European war
I will say this tho, modern China don't have as many war as the ancient Chinese dynasty. But then modern China is still young (It's 75 years vs 5000+), and they don't have half the power they used to have in Asianic region. But the Chinese are catching up soon
And finally, you have it the other way around, international bodies have influence because countries like P5 have influence, and more or less needs to intervene. This has been a repeated issue be it Gaza or Myanmar. If one or more countries in the P5 don't care, international community is paralysed
As for the US, it's the same, if you have a Pro-Arab lobby group, this is going to piss off the Jew and they are going to be the one talking about it like you are now. You can't make policy if you cannot create injustice, that's not just applies to domestic policy like taxation, or jurisprudences, but also international politics
Davey Crockett
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For Pentagon chief, Trump taps Fox News host who said US must ‘stand by strong ally’ Israel
Hegseth has been an advocate of Israel in his coverage, which over the past year has included the series “Battle in the Holy Land: Israel at War” about the ongoing Gaza war sparked by Hamas’s terror onslaught on October 7, 2023, and an interview with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
“This is not some mystical land that can be dismissed,” Hegseth said in a 2016 interview with the Jewish Press when asked about seeing biblical and historical sites in Israel. “It’s the story of God’s chosen people. That story didn’t end in 1776 or in 1948 or with the founding of the UN. All of these things still resonate and matter today.”
He also said at the time that he had never met a Jew until going to college.
“My parents come from a small town in Minnesota where I grew up as a Baptist. I never met a Jewish person until I went to college. When I did, the first thing I said to him was, ‘I read about you in the Bible!’ It was from there and beyond that I gained a true understanding of Jews. Growing up an evangelical, I obviously had an enormous amount of respect and understanding of the historical resonance of Abraham and religions and how they’re intertwined.”
“I have come to really appreciate the Jewish heritage and the Jewish state. I understand how geopolitically we are linked and how critical it is that we stand by such a strong ally.”
For Pentagon chief, Trump taps Fox News host who said US must ‘stand by strong ally’ Israel
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SolarWarden
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Pete is a real mans man and not like the current SoDFor Pentagon chief, Trump taps Fox News host who said US must ‘stand by strong ally’ Israel
Hegseth has been an advocate of Israel in his coverage, which over the past year has included the series “Battle in the Holy Land: Israel at War” about the ongoing Gaza war sparked by Hamas’s terror onslaught on October 7, 2023, and an interview with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
“This is not some mystical land that can be dismissed,” Hegseth said in a 2016 interview with the Jewish Press when asked about seeing biblical and historical sites in Israel. “It’s the story of God’s chosen people. That story didn’t end in 1776 or in 1948 or with the founding of the UN. All of these things still resonate and matter today.”
He also said at the time that he had never met a Jew until going to college.
“My parents come from a small town in Minnesota where I grew up as a Baptist. I never met a Jewish person until I went to college. When I did, the first thing I said to him was, ‘I read about you in the Bible!’ It was from there and beyond that I gained a true understanding of Jews. Growing up an evangelical, I obviously had an enormous amount of respect and understanding of the historical resonance of Abraham and religions and how they’re intertwined.”
“I have come to really appreciate the Jewish heritage and the Jewish state. I understand how geopolitically we are linked and how critical it is that we stand by such a strong ally.”
For Pentagon chief, Trump taps Fox News host who said US must ‘stand by strong ally’ Israel
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Pete Hegseth | Official Website
Pete Hegseth is co-host of FOX & Friends Weekend on FOX News Channel. He is also a FOX Nation host. He's an author, speaker, and fighter!
petehegseth.com
War veteran retired as Major and a smart mofo. The left is going nuts which means he's a great pick for SoD.
Davey Crockett
Elite Member
So a younger John McCain.
Typical, koolaid guzzling neocon. Holds to every main stream narrative out there in regards to American Imperialism.
If war is on the table, Trump's job will be to form a team that will lead the Christian-right in their march of whatever he declares as "freedom and liberty" no matter who we have to kill.
Davey Crockett
Elite Member
He is a great pick for Secretary of Defense if Zionists have plans for a war.Pete is a real mans man and not like the current SoD
Pete Hegseth | Official Website
Pete Hegseth is co-host of FOX & Friends Weekend on FOX News Channel. He is also a FOX Nation host. He's an author, speaker, and fighter!
War veteran retired as Major and a smart mofo. The left is going nuts which means he's a great pick for SoD.
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