Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[Bentley777]

For those members who are super emotional I want to tell them PN few years back issued tender for the construction of storage sites for P-282 missile.

There disclosure of capabilities by official press release may not be there but a system in missile storage sites of PN indicates a possibility of a system which was either "inducted and was operational system" or near to this stage.

No better time to test it with video footage.

 

[Awwad]

It's getting obvious PTI loonies are more afraid of Americans then generals ..... Americans are your mai bap , you are the ones running to the Americans to put pressure on the generals ..... Americans can do nothing against Pakistan .....get this thing in your not so bright heads .

Is this a political thread?
Since you are repeating this for quite some time, so I will respond.

You really need to think on those things without any bias. Try to be as neutral as possible and then think. You will realize that this is a narrative that makes no sense. Do you think 70% of the nation (which supports PTI and considers IK as their leader) are anti-Pakistan? The patriotism is always linked with the nation and the country. The "institutions" are not above the country. Those must be criticized if they become corrupt (misusing of power), and throw out will of the nation. Will of the nation is the basis of the country. What's the purpose of making a country if the nation and their will is neglected ??

Now, coming to the US. If you remember before regime change for continuous 2 months, there were back to back meetings of CIA directors, American think tanks, various US staff that represents US establishment with General Bajwa. (much more meetings then usual and at the same time lot of things were happening in Islamabad). Those Americans were basically influencing Bajwa. Looking at Bajwa's intellect / IQ, I was at that time fully aware that he will be unable to withstand any pressure. American's weren't pleased when IK invited China in OIC meet in Islamabad, Americans weren't pleased when China resolved diplomatic relations of Iran-KSA in Islamabad. American's weren't pleased on IK's strict Anti-Drone policy, American's weren't pleased on his statements on Afghanistan breaking shakes of occupation, Americans weren't pleased on his Russia visit. IK was visiting Russia for cheap oil/gas for Pakistan. He was looking for PK's interests. Americans wanted him gone for their own interests (US interests). Otherwise, only 1.5 years were left in his tenure, Bajwa got in panic only because he was told to do so.

Now coming to PTI, Do you really think PTI is asking the "same" people who got him out ???. I never see PTI members going to Pentagon or Langley (CIA) to seek help. PTI is only going to politicians and human rights groups. You have to be wise enough to differentiate. United States is not a single person. It was US establishment that backed Bajwa to get IK out. While PTI and its supporters are only calling for human rights groups and just treatment. Every sole in the universe knows that IK is imprisoned without any charge just on political cases because he is against status-quo. Its a fundamental right of every citizen to raise the voice at every possible forum. That makes us human to raise voice for what's wrong. To raise voice on injustices. Only the most patriotic Pakistanis will go out of the way and try to seek justice and contact Human right groups or US congress politicians (the ones who had nothing to do with IK imprisonment), All this for their nation. People who have their conscious alive were raising voices when Nelson Mandela was imprisoned. South africans who were raising voices all over and they were even explicitly seeking santions on South africa were doing it for a just cause. They were the most patriotic south africans, they wanted their state to bow down against nation's will. You need to understand that PTI represents nation of Pakistan because the greatest percentage of the nation supports it. Will of nation is the state, will of the nation is the law, will of the nation is constitution. Country, institutions, resources everything is for the nation. Try to understand and rectify your concepts.

@Bentley777 @markhor @Dalit

 

[mythbuster]

Is this a political thread?
Since you are repeating this for quite some time, so I will respond.

You really need to think on those things without any bias. Try to be as neutral as possible and then think. You will realize that this is a narrative that makes no sense. Do you think 70% of the nation (which supports PTI and considers IK as their leader) are anti-Pakistan? The patriotism is always linked with the nation and the country. The "institutions" are not above the country. Those must be criticized if they become corrupt (misusing of power), and throw out will of the nation. Will of the nation is the basis of the country. What's the purpose of making a country if the nation and their will is neglected ??

Now, coming to the US. If you remember before regime change for continuous 2 months, there were back to back meetings of CIA directors, American think tanks, various US staff that represents US establishment with General Bajwa. (much more meetings then usual and at the same time lot of things were happening in Islamabad). Those Americans were basically influencing Bajwa. Looking at Bajwa's intellect / IQ, I was at that time fully aware that he will be unable to withstand any pressure. American's weren't pleased when IK invited China in OIC meet in Islamabad, Americans weren't pleased when China resolved diplomatic relations of Iran-KSA in Islamabad. American's weren't pleased on IK's strict Anti-Drone policy, American's weren't pleased on his statements on Afghanistan breaking shakes of occupation, Americans weren't pleased on his Russia visit. IK was visiting Russia for cheap oil/gas for Pakistan. He was looking for PK's interests. Americans wanted him gone for their own interests (US interests). Otherwise, only 1.5 years were left in his tenure, Bajwa got in panic only because he was told to do so.

Now coming to PTI, Do you really think PTI is asking the "same" people who got him out ???. I never see PTI members going to Pentagon or Langley (CIA) to seek help. PTI is only going to politicians and human rights groups. You have to be wise enough to differentiate. United States is not a single person. It was US establishment that backed Bajwa to get IK out. While PTI and its supporters are only calling for human rights groups and just treatment. Every sole in the universe knows that IK is imprisoned without any charge just on political cases because he is against status-quo. Its a fundamental right of every citizen to raise the voice at every possible forum. That makes us human to raise voice for what's wrong. To raise voice on injustices. Only the most patriotic Pakistanis will go out of the way and try to seek justice and contact Human right groups or US congress politicians (the ones who had nothing to do with IK imprisonment), All this for their nation. People who have their conscious alive were raising voices when Nelson Mandela was imprisoned. South africans who were raising voices all over and they were even explicitly seeking santions on South africa were doing it for a just cause. They were the most patriotic south africans, they wanted their state to bow down against nation's will. You need to understand that PTI represents nation of Pakistan because the greatest percentage of the nation supports it. Will of nation is the state, will of the nation is the law, will of the nation is constitution. Country, institutions, resources everything is for the nation. Try to understand and rectify your concepts.

@Bentley777 @markhor @Dalit

It seems you are influenced by Rousseau will of the people , I am firmly in Socrastese camp who feared democracy will elect demogogues ....look around the world and see what kind of characters get elected ......IK is an accomplished demogogue ..... your references to ik visit of Russia talking about oil , inviting China to OIC , talking against drone strikes etc is nothing more than fodder for weak minded conspiracy theorists and demogogues ......modi regularly visits Russia and India is minting money by doing oil trade with Russia but America is buddy buddy with modi ...why did America singled out IK ? ....all the Islamic countries are fostering good relations with china , why would America single out IK ? ..... American and Chinese presidents meet regularly and carry huge trade with each other why would America single out IK ? .....you want to give IK the status of Mandela , fine .....let him rot in jail for couple of decades to deserve it .

 

[Awwad]

It seems you are influenced by Rousseau will of the people , I am firmly in Socrastese camp who feared democracy will elect demogogues ....look around the world and see what kind of characters get elected ......IK is an accomplished demogogue ..... your references to ik visit of Russia talking about oil , inviting China to OIC , talking against drone strikes etc is nothing more than fodder for weak minded conspiracy theorists and demogogues ......modi regularly visits Russia and India is minting money by doing oil trade with Russia but America is buddy buddy with modi ...why did America singled out IK ? ....all the Islamic countries are fostering good relations with china , why would America single out IK ? ..... American and Chinese presidents meet regularly and carry huge trade with each other why would America single out IK ? .....you want to give IK the status of Mandela , fine .....let him rot in jail for couple of decades to deserve it .

Dear you can't compare security state like Pakistan with India which is an economic power now. Plus why would US go against Modi, In india, civilian supremacy prevails. Their COAS can't even think to do 1% of things which his counterpart in Pakistan do with impunity. US can't possibly influence Indian military chief to topple Modi. Its reality in country like Pakistan. India is also favored for several reasons including a counter against China. There's not a slightest comparison of Pakistan's GHQ enforced system with Indian govt system, their civilian based rule, their democracy, their economic relations with US. You just compared apples with oranges. So yes, US establishment did wanted IK to be removed and Bajwa complied. Same can never possibly be applied to Modi because india's power structure is mature & stable based on civilian structure.

I wonder why you still don't accept it when the world now accepts it as a fact. It's sometimes when you listen to only one side of narrative so much that you think every truth from other side as "conspiracy theory". The statement in Cipher that IK needs to be removed and everything will be forgiven eventually found out to be 100% truth. State department eventually acknowledged that. Plus two Pak govts, including PDM led govt accepted that.

 

[Hussain]

Respected farooq bhai its YJ12E export version it not our indengenious missile it max range will be around 300km brahmos has double the range it will out range our frigates easily. If we develop indigenous then we can improve its range according to that time requirements.

How do you know the "E" isn't just to soothe adversaries?

 

[Bentley777]

How do you know the "E" isn't just to soothe adversaries?

Why would Chinese give us full potential crusie missle yj 12 do we have feathers on our back.

 

[Hussain]

Why would Chinese give us full potential crusie missle yj 12 do we have feathers on our back.

To circumvent MTCR, a lot goes on, such as fuel cell replacements, range at sea level vs at altitude, etc....

 

[Bentley777]

To circumvent MTCR, a lot goes on, such as fuel cell replacements, range at sea level vs at altitude, etc....

Ok if Chinese allow us do it something positive it is no doubt

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Do check the official statement. If it's called by the same Chinese name, it's likely the 'E' variant with a max of 300km range. If it's officially refered as an indigenous product with a unique Pakistani name, it's probably not the 'E' variant but the original one.

 

[Hussain]

@Bentley777 @silicon0000 @Awwad @mythbuster @RAJPUT and others....

Tell me something, just for my understanding.

For imported missiles, after certain intervals, is the fuel cell checked and replaced, if required. Sensors checked /calibrated , seals checked, etc?

OR is it kept in storage with silica gel packs in a box till it expires, 10~15yrs down the road, since it's an "E" variant?

 

[mythbuster]

@Bentley777 @silicon0000 @Awwad @mythbuster @RAJPUT and others....

Tell me something, just for my understanding.

For imported missiles, after certain intervals, is the fuel cell checked and replaced, if required. Sensors checked /calibrated , seals checked, etc?

OR is it kept in storage with silica gel packs in a box till it expires, 10~15yrs down the road, since it's an "E" variant?

I am not tech savvy bro .....sorry , can't be of any help .

 

[Hussain]

I am not tech savvy bro .....sorry , can't be of any help .

You don't need to be. Just common sense will suffice....

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

@Bentley777 @silicon0000 @Awwad @mythbuster @RAJPUT and others....

Tell me something, just for my understanding.

For imported missiles, after certain intervals, is the fuel cell checked and replaced, if required. Sensors checked /calibrated , seals checked, etc?

OR is it kept in storage with silica gel packs in a box till it expires, 10~15yrs down the road, since it's an "E" variant?

Dear I am not involved in these so can't tell what's the actual practice is but logically saying regular maintainence as per manual/information provided should be in place.

 

[Ak01]

@Bentley777 @silicon0000 @Awwad @mythbuster @RAJPUT and others....

Tell me something, just for my understanding.

For imported missiles, after certain intervals, is the fuel cell checked and replaced, if required. Sensors checked /calibrated , seals checked, etc?

OR is it kept in storage with silica gel packs in a box till it expires, 10~15yrs down the road, since it's an "E" variant?

all missiles require maintenance, some more than others. Some components i.e batteries and solid rocket motors have shelf lives after which point they must either be replaced or the entire missile must be replaced. Missiles can expire basically yes

 

[Michael]

@Bentley777 @silicon0000 @Awwad @mythbuster @RAJPUT and others....

Tell me something, just for my understanding.

For imported missiles, after certain intervals, is the fuel cell checked and replaced, if required. Sensors checked /calibrated , seals checked, etc?

OR is it kept in storage with silica gel packs in a box till it expires, 10~15yrs down the road, since it's an "E" variant?

All weapons have maintenance intervals and a shelf life that has nothing to do with whether it is an export version or not.
Different weapons from different countries have completely different time cycles, and you have to look at the manual for the exact maintenance cycle and shelf life.

For example: nuclear weapons are not really that expensive to produce, but they are more expensive to maintain.
Usually, the lifespan of a nuclear warhead is about 20 years, and countries with better conditions for maintenance and upkeep can do it for 30 years, but its maintenance cost will be even higher.
Therefore, some analysts believe that only about 20-30% of Russia's huge nuclear weapons arsenal are usable nuclear weapons, and the rest have been scrapped. Of course, the real situation is top secret information, we can only speculate.