Can the US win a war with China? Shocking new simulation reveals what could happen if Taiwan is attacked

[drkrn86]

How can they repel it? The most advanced AGM-158C produced by the United States has a production quantity of less than 400, while China has a variety of long-range supersonic anti-ship missiles equipped with a quantity of 2,000 (not counting anti-ship ballistic missiles), which can sink all US aircraft carriers. China is equipped with an 11-tube 30mm CIWS with a firing rate of tens of thousands of rounds, while the United States is still using the old Phalanx CIWS. In terms of air defense, Chinese warships are already one level higher than the United States.

It's only when the rubber meets the road things become clear.

 

[drkrn86]

If the U.S. fleet wants to attack China, it must enter a range of 1,000 kilometers from the Chinese coast.

And how did you come to this conclusion?

The range of China's anti-ship ballistic missiles is 2,500 kilometers. The H-20 stealth bomber can also go out of the East China Sea and launch 1,000 kilometers supersonic cruise missiles at the U.S. aircraft carrier battle group.

IMO, the H-20 bomber is a far more capable threat than the mythical 2,500 km ASBM's. Even the best ships can't survive a coordinated attack from a pack of sea-skimming 0.7 Mach LRCMs.

The U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy also have to face China's joint sea, land and air strikes. The People's Liberation Army also has stealth fighter jets that can seize air superiority over Japanese islands.

For argument's sake, Japan has training exercises with F-22 and must have already sharpened their defenses anticipating a superior 5th-Gen PLAF.

The US aircraft carrier faced an attack by the Houthi armed forces in Yemen and could not bear it and ran away.

So, how can PLAN survive Taiwan, Japan, and the USA given your logic?

Taiwan has less than 500 anti-ship missiles and a total of less than 100 missile launchers.

any source?

Even if Taiwan wants to equip thousands of them, it does not have that many institutions and manpower. In a place as big as Taiwan, it will face the Chinese Air Force and unmanned aerial vehicles.

The UAV's will be the most serious threat to Taiwan. They will saturate their defenses.

Machine, it would be nice to have ten percent left. China has 120 air defense missile battalions and 35 Aegis destroyers. Why don’t you count China’s air defense force?
The People's Liberation Army has a thousand land-based anti-ship launch vehicles, the Air Force has 200 H-6s capable of carrying four anti-ship missiles, and the Chinese Navy has 100 022 stealth missile boats alone.

That's a serious muscle power.

Target ship simulating a US aircraft carrier in the Chinese desert，Dedicated anti-ship ballistic missile with a range of 2,000 kilometers
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your kill chain will be targeted.

 

[AjayGhatak]

What kind of help does a country that has a space station and can bring lunar soil back to Earth need? ?

China can survive various advanced weapons and can independently manufacture fifth-generation fighters and aircraft carriers. I don’t know what kind of help this country needs.

China is not like India. Without American engines, it cannot produce fighters.

Are you using translation software? Your posts have nothing to do with what he wrote...

 

[liuzhengdong]

Why?

First of all, you have Naval Aviation, you don't launch just within 1000 kilometers as there is a thing call "Refueling", second of all, it's not attacking China, you are attacking Taiwan. Land base system in Taiwan is more than enough to attack China


Taiwan have MORE than 500 anti-ship missile, HF-2 alone is into thousand (Both Block 1 and Block 2) and HF-3 are >250. On the other hand, Taiwan have money, they can buy both MBDA and Raytheon tech, the only reason they weren't getting them is because the invasion threat is slim, if China change course and started to threaten Taiwan, you can bet your ass Taiwan is getting multiple hundred of both Storm Shadow, Brimstone, Harpoon and Sea Shadow missile....




Again, why would you need to even come close to 1000km when you can just launch sortie and then use aerial refuelling?

On the other hand, Ballistic Missile technology is unproven, and 350kg warhead won't sink a carrier....

The range of AGM-158C is only 1,000 kilometers. Can it launch missiles outside the range of missiles? ?

AGM-158C is subsonic and cannot break through the air defense system composed of PLA 055/052D.

There are hundreds of HF-2/HF-3, but there are only 100 missile launchers. A Beijing think tank called "Lande Information Technology" has disclosed in detail the secret hiding places of 12 units of the Taiwan Army's anti-ship missile battalion. Some coordinate information is even accurate to four decimal places after the longitude and latitude. The first wave of missiles launched by the PLA to attack Taiwan hit the Taiwan anti-ship missile battalion.

The PLA can monitor the HF-2/HF3 launcher at all times through reconnaissance satellite high-altitude drones. As long as the HF-2/HF3 launcher enters the launch position, it will be attacked by the PLA's long-range rockets and long-range missiles. The PLA's perception of the Taiwan battlefield is based on more than 130 reconnaissance satellites and hundreds of large high-altitude reconnaissance drones. The PLA knows Taiwan's military deployment well. Taiwan has an area of only 30,000 square kilometers, and the entire island is a front line with no depth.

The entire Taiwan is a no-fly zone. How can ships and planes carrying Storm Shadow, Brimstone, Harpoon and Sea Shadow missiles enter Taiwan? Aren’t they afraid of being shot down or sunk?

Just hit them. Blow a big hole in the deck, and the aircraft carrier will have to go back for repairs for 3 months. The PLA launched a saturation attack on the US aircraft carrier battle group. One missile brigade will deal with an aircraft carrier battle group, and will hit the aircraft carrier with no less than 30 supersonic missiles at a time. The Air Force and the Navy will also launch attacks on the aircraft carrier battle group, with saturation attacks of hundreds of supersonic missiles. Now the US aircraft carrier battle group is struggling to defend against attacks from Yemen, not to mention China, which is more powerful than Yemen.

A Vostok 26 anti-ship missile brigade

 

[Pingle]

The Burmese Han armed forces, which only had light weapons, defeated 20,000 Burmese regular troops with the cooperation of Chinese drones and occupied 20,000 square kilometers of land.
You are still immersed in the victory 50 years ago. The war 50 years ago is already very backward in modern times. At the same time, the Chinese air defense forces supporting Vietnam shot down thousands of American fighter planes. The Kargil War was very difficult for you. The Chinese Air Force could resolve the battle by dropping a few heavy bombs to flatten the top of the mountain.
China emphasizes: I will not offend others if others do not offend me. If others offend me, I will offend them. China has sent 300 soldiers to Pakistan to participate in the fight against terrorism.

You guys are here boasting about how China would beat USA in Taiwan war are blind to see a simple reality..... Taiwan is few kms away from China mainland and not only is the Chinese backyard but China claims it a part of one China......

America sits somewhere on the totally different part of this planet and still humiliates China by supplying weapons, declaring total protection to Taiwan and still all till date China could do is grudging and doing exercises or some ariel or marine incursions here and there......

And I am amazed to see Chinese fanboys here literally feel proud about dreaming how China can overwhelm America in his own backyard and that is not even a reality that has happened......

Go China do this to some country in America backyard what America is doing with Taiwan and see the American reaction.....

 

[drkrn86]

There are hundreds of HF-2/HF-3, but there are only 100 missile launchers.

Hard to believe.

A Beijing think tank called "Lande Information Technology" has disclosed in detail the secret hiding places of 12 units of the Taiwan Army's anti-ship missile battalion.

Not a secret anymore isn't it.

The PLA can monitor the HF-2/HF3 launcher at all times through reconnaissance satellite high-altitude drones.

Not possible at an individual launcher level.

The entire Taiwan is a no-fly zone. How can ships and planes carrying Storm Shadow, Brimstone, Harpoon and Sea Shadow missiles enter Taiwan? Aren’t they afraid of being shot down or sunk?

Simple, by sea. From the east-coast.
What if they already are on Taiwan soil and they didn't want to disclose such info?

Just hit them. Blow a big hole in the deck, and the aircraft carrier will have to go back for repairs for 3 months.

You need not sink an A.C. Just put it out of operation for the rest of the war.

 

[liuzhengdong]

您是如何得出這個結論的？

IMO 認為，H-20 轟炸機的威脅能力遠遠超過傳說中的 2,500 公里反艦彈道飛彈。即使是最好的船隻也無法抵禦一群掠海 0.7 馬赫 LRCM 的協同攻擊。

為了便於論證，日本已經用 F-22 進行了訓練演習，並且肯定已經加強了防禦能力，期待著更強大的第五代解放軍空軍的出現。

那麼，按照你的邏輯，中國海軍如何能夠在台灣、日本和美國中生存呢？

有什麼來源嗎？

無人機將是對台灣最嚴重的威脅。他們將使他們的防禦飽和。

這是一種嚴重的肌肉力量。

你的殺傷鏈將成為目標。

AGM-158C的射程只有1000公里。

一群掠海的0.7馬赫遠程巡航飛彈是非常好的目標。解放軍軍艦使用掠海超音速目標進行防空演習。解放軍的近程防禦武器射速為1萬發。

F-22戰場感知能力不如殲20強，缺乏IRST

海軍以空軍火箭軍為後盾，全軍體係作戰。

台灣有7個反艦營。你認為他們能裝備多少？ ？

解放軍殺傷鏈超出美軍打擊範圍

 

[liuzhengdong]

You guys are here boasting about how China would beat USA in Taiwan war are blind to see a simple reality..... Taiwan is few kms away from China mainland and not only is the Chinese backyard but China claims it a part of one China......

America sits somewhere on the totally different part of this planet and still humiliates China by supplying weapons, declaring total protection to Taiwan and still all till date China could do is grudging and doing exercises or some ariel or marine incursions here and there......

And I am amazed to see Chinese fanboys here literally feel proud about dreaming how China can overwhelm America in his own backyard and that is not even a reality that has happened......

Go China do this to some country in America backyard what America is doing with Taiwan and see the American reaction.....

China didn’t expect to defeat the United States in North Korea.

China didn’t expect the United States to fail in Afghanistan, and didn’t expect the world’s number one US Navy to be unable to deal with the Houthi armed forces.

The United States promised to protect the Philippines, but allowed the Philippines to be humiliated

 

[Mero]

China squandered 4 years with Biden in not preparing for war with doubling or tripling defense spending. Trump does not want war, Trump wants to reshape America into Russia, China should want to humiliate Trump. If Trump does not want war it means that China, at low military spending, has reached a position where China likely wins vs the US in a defensive war. So the US is into managing China with Trump pal Putin.

When the US feels it can destroy China, it would return to a posture of conflict with China. Meaning if China arms at the US spending rate, then China can defeat Masonic America.

Learn from the Ukraine War, missile and missile defense. Surface ships are vulnerable, submarines are preferable.

If China wants to simply defeat Masonic America peacefully, go to a gold BRICS currency. The crying of Masonic America would be anywhere.

Trump is sissy afraid of China.

 

[j_hungary]

The range of AGM-158C is only 1,000 kilometers. Can it launch missiles outside the range of missiles? ?

AGM-158C is subsonic and cannot break through the air defense system composed of PLA 055/052D.

Dude, that's an air launch platform, can your anti-ship missile hit an aircraft at that range?

On the other hand, you seem to think DF whatever can penetrate US Navy Air Defence at ease. They are called "MISS"ile for a reason, at the very best of day, you are looking at <20% accuracy rate.

There are hundreds of HF-2/HF-3, but there are only 100 missile launchers. A Beijing think tank called "Lande Information Technology" has disclosed in detail the secret hiding places of 12 units of the Taiwan Army's anti-ship missile battalion. Some coordinate information is even accurate to four decimal places after the longitude and latitude. The first wave of missiles launched by the PLA to attack Taiwan hit the Taiwan anti-ship missile battalion.

Yes, they probably would paint those launcher bright yellow and just stuck there and not moving them around so you can easily hit it.

I mean, I was in the military intelligence business, even as good as the US intelligence capability, I can't say I know hundred percent what the enemy is up to. And you are quoting some "think tank"

The PLA can monitor the HF-2/HF3 launcher at all times through reconnaissance satellite high-altitude drones. As long as the HF-2/HF3 launcher enters the launch position, it will be attacked by the PLA's long-range rockets and long-range missiles. The PLA's perception of the Taiwan battlefield is based on more than 130 reconnaissance satellites and hundreds of large high-altitude reconnaissance drones. The PLA knows Taiwan's military deployment well. Taiwan has an area of only 30,000 square kilometers, and the entire island is a front line with no depth.

Sure, how?

It's one thing to monitor all of them (No one have that capability to do that, ask the Russian, and they have a better intel net than the PLA) It's another thing to try to hit them all at once, you think war is that simple and can win just pressing some button and firing some missile.

This is impressive

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DO you know how much work behind the camera to make this actually happen? I do.

The entire Taiwan is a no-fly zone. How can ships and planes carrying Storm Shadow, Brimstone, Harpoon and Sea Shadow missiles enter Taiwan? Aren’t they afraid of being shot down or sunk?

Just hit them. Blow a big hole in the deck, and the aircraft carrier will have to go back for repairs for 3 months. The PLA launched a saturation attack on the US aircraft carrier battle group. One missile brigade will deal with an aircraft carrier battle group, and will hit the aircraft carrier with no less than 30 supersonic missiles at a time. The Air Force and the Navy will also launch attacks on the aircraft carrier battle group, with saturation attacks of hundreds of supersonic missiles. Now the US aircraft carrier battle group is struggling to defend against attacks from Yemen, not to mention China, which is more powerful than Yemen.

A Vostok 26 anti-ship missile brigade
View attachment 83953

Yes, yes yes, just hit them and shoot them all down, right?

Again, this is not about how many missile you have or whatever you want to do, you failed to comprehend the basic level of strategy and tactics, if this is just about missile and aircraft, the war in Ukraine would end in probably 3 months.

Again, in war, attacker has to focus on attacking their objective, and the defender have to focus on defending their objective, which make the attacker predictable, because no matter what you do, you need to come out and attack, while the defender can just lying in wait. You can say "you can hit US carrier with X amount of missile" how did you do it, and how you lure the US into that position is the issue here, if we just go by what we think will happen then there will be no war.

 

[j_hungary]

Who knows? Tomorrow the type board warriors here will come up with research claiming Chinese soldiers now have gills.

Well, maybe they do have grill, well, seeing that most of these people already have a motor mouth.....

That too if Chinese can defend their transport vessels.

That's the issue here, as the defender, you can choose what you hit, a missile I fire would exact maximum damage if I hit a transport than hitting a warship, those are what I am going to targeting.

Problem is, China on the other hand would need to keep these platforms coming, as what we in the business said, "they can't stop the train" if the train stop, the momentum squander, so the number 1 problem for China is how they can bring their troop ashore. Not how to deal with US navy. If country like Ukraine can do asymmetric warfare and make Russia not even able to do a land assault in small island with zero capital ship and Submarine. That's how Taiwan should be doing.

50,000 a day is huge. It's a mind-boggling number. You have not included their civilian vessels. They too will be used for transport during war time.
Secondly, war doesn't end by placing soldiers on Taiwan territory, the Chinese need to maintain supply lines across enemy territory after crossing sub-infested waters or Eagle (F-series) infested skies.
It's a nightmare scenario for anyone.

50000 a day include their civilian lift capability. Otherwise with 3 Type 075(1500 troop each), 8 Type 071 (800 Troops each) and 11 Type 072 (200 troops each), you are looking at 20000 max

That too also mean it will complicate the SLOC, the conventional "Gun It" method would have the Chinese Navy directly supply the troop across the ocean, but Taiwan also can hit Chinese coast with even ATACMS, which make the job to maintain SLOC a little bit more complicated.

but of course, the guy I reply to don't think about all that, all he thought was war are going to be decided with a few button pushing.......Well, he probably should go to Russia and ask the Russian was it really the case....

 

[Pingle]

China didn’t expect to defeat the United States in North Korea.

China didn’t expect the United States to fail in Afghanistan, and didn’t expect the world’s number one US Navy to be unable to deal with the Houthi armed forces.

The United States promised to protect the Philippines, but allowed the Philippines to be humiliated

Go man and feel good about China stronk..... you are not worth arguing.....

 

[Mero]

Okay so China has no anti ship missiles? While Chinese Navy is destroyed and what about US Navy? If you touch Mainland China, what do you think happens to US cities? First put some boots in Ukraine and then talk.

Don't waste these years of peace. Arm to the teeth. Humiliate Masonic America in the next 6 years.

The lesson of the Second World War is that Germany waited too long to go into full war production until it was too late. Italy never reached industrial capacity potential, China does not have that problem Italy faced. China can quickly far exceed the US in effective weapon production.

 

[Han Patriot]

Dude, you have a serious case of Putin Syndrome

What do you think will happen to US city? Can you even attack any US cities outside Guam? And do you think Taiwan themselves does not have SSM that can flew over 160km and hit your coast? And do you think you can intercept them all? At the nearest point, even extended range ATACMS can reach China coast, that mean even if US is not directly involved, the Taiwanese themselves have the reach on Chinese coast already.

Explain to me why we CAN'T attack any US city outside of GUAM? Taiwan has SSM then so does China, so how come US Navy is not destroyed and only China gets destroyed? Does physics work differently aboard the US Navy?

The only way you would be able to attack US Mainland is Nuclear, Are you suggesting to end the world because you wanted Taiwan? Xi is not as stupid as you suggest....

Dude, maybe leave the war game to the actual professional before you open your mouth?

Why not nuclear? If you can attack Chinese Cities and we can't attack you, so you suggest we sit still and let you destroy our cities genius? Why do you think US do not dare fight Russia head on? LOL. Hell, they don't even have a working carrier, yet stronk America is just cheerleading Ukraine into destruction.

Professional my foot, they assume nobody will retaliate and sit there and let their cities get destroyed. It is stupidity like this which end up killing humanity.

 

[Tumba]

Full support for china … go grab Taiwan fck up Americans to sea