Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[925boy]

You have more faith in the average Turkish citizens than me. While I think Erdogan echoes the sentiments on the street with his bombastic talk, to walk the talk is not only too much to ask for from either Erdogan or the Turkish population.
Turkey is still supplying oil to Israel, right? Still part of an alliance which is targeting Bashar Assad, which has the potential to choke the strategically vital supplies to Hezbollah. And Turkey is still hoping for an EU membership. Plus, many Turks have this 'cop out' attitude bringing up the so-called Arab Betrayal to the Ottoman empire to justify their lack of robust support to the Palestinians.

Fair enough.

But as I see it: Turkey had/has a chance to become a true leader of the Islamic world if it put its neck out for the Palestinians in the last one year.

No! No country can be the leader of the lslamic world while also being a slave to the Christian+Jewish + White western nations. This is where Turkey, Egypt, the Saudis (to a degree) fall short and self -disqualify themselves from being actual leaders of the Islamic world, so no, Turkey becoming an Islamic world leader is an unrealistic hypothetical and a dream!

I don't think their leadership or even the population has grasped the historic opportunity and thus,

Some of the population definitely has, but i understand your general point. biggest reposibility still falls on the govt, not the people, and Turkey's govt has chosen to be a legal "co-D"! co-defendant/Israeli crimes facilitator, in Israel's eventual war crimes trial.

unless they change course, they will remain a middling power into the foreseeable future. Well, their country, their choice.

Turkey's main vulnerability seems to be its economy and resources-its low on them, while having large demand for them for internal and trade purposes. There is a good chance the Ukraine war leads to a split up of NATO, and in such case, Turkey could be back more or less being on its own, and it sort of is that way now for all intents and purposes- how many troops could NATO send Turkey when Turkey is one of NATOs top 3 member countries in terms of size of ground forces.

 

[Davey Crockett]

"The mind of the enemy and the will of his leaders is a target of far more importance than the bodies of his troops."

Thread 'Guerilla Warfare (History)' https://defencepk.com/forums/threads/guerilla-warfare-history.16321/

Back in June I could almost see everyone reading my posts and rolling their eyes when I suggested The Resistance will have to start giving it all they got because once Trump gets elected, general warfare tactics will be useless against ZOG.

We are now entering the era of Guerilla Warfare.

The Resistance is you, me, and millions across the globe fighting one common enemy - ZIONISM.

 

[eIsQengiz]

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in Gaza’s Sheikh Radwan neighborhood, the Israeli army bombed a family building, killing 10 Palestinian civilians. There are numerous injured, many of whom are in critical condition.

 

[Davey Crockett]

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Yes it is, but what is to be done to counter this?

"The mind of the enemy and the will of his leaders is a target of far more importance than the bodies of his troops."

Imagine how the calculus will change when the warmongers return home at night from the Pentagon or Tel Aviv, only to find out their families have been butchered?

Maybe their kids get beat up on a regular basis walking to school by other kids?

Maybe at least ostracize the families of the mercenaries?

 

[Khansaheeb]

Director General of the Ministry of Health, stated that Israel is using weapons in northern Gaza that cause people to vaporize.

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A Palestinian released prisoner who reached Gaza this morning recounted the horrific conditions faced by Palestinians in Israeli prisons, adding that an interrogation officer informed him that they had killed all of his family members, saying it as a kind of gift.Earlier today, Israeli occupation army released 30 Palestinians from Gaza, who had been held in Israeli prisons after being abducted during the occupation’s invasion of several neighborhoods in the northern Gaza Strip.

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These new types of bombs Isarel is using on civilian populations are weapons of mass destruction and must be banned.

 

[StrategicBear]

"Weapons that vaporize" could literally mean a new form of highly acidic Chemical Weapon... something like the acid blood of the alien monsters in the Alien series...

 

[That_Guy]

This is my biggest peeve with international law supporters. Can you tell me why Palestinians have the obligation to follow international law to a tee but Israel can bomb a hospital by showing a single CGI of Hamas goons under it? Or how about that hospital they claimed was a Hamas rocket misfiring? This is because Israel doesn't give a f*ck about international law and those who try to use law to extract concessions from Israel are doing nothing but tightening the noose around Palestinians. Even with the lopsided trove of evidence in favor of Palestine the law has given 0 support to Palestinians yet all you've done is raise the threshold of obligations the Palestinians have to meet.

You're creating a strawman to argue against. This has nothing to do with my point. I said nothing about whether international law should be followed or not.

Holohoax is nothing unique from that time period and is greatly exaggerated. Now that they are showing their true face one could even argue it was justified. But that's a separate debate.

This isn't up for discussion.

If Muslim, and specifically Arab, countries had one vertebra in their spine they would arm Palestinians. King Faisal turned off the oil tap in '73 and the yahuds were cowed into stopping their aggression. If they were capable of such actions back then and Iran can covertly arm Palestinians it is definitely possible to arm them. It's not about having it your way - King Faisal wasn't just a kind soul who felt bad for the Palestinians. He was pressured to start the oil embargo by his populace. This is lacking in he Muslim world today, instead of pressuring western governments with protests I don't see anyone out on the streets of Riyadh, Dubai, Bahrain, etc... calling for their leadership to support the cause.

i can agree with that sentiment. Arab leaders today have no spine

Saying "Israel has shifted its goals from eliminating Hamas..." is just repeating western propaganda. Israeli military figures, past politicians have acknowledged war is not how you eliminate Hamas. Same with international law which has done nothing to help the innocents in Gaza.

Shifting goals isn't a good thing, it means that Israel failed on all levels and is now trying to salvage something to show some sort of achievement. If this is western propaganda, then it's surprisingly anti-zionist.

 

[That_Guy]

This is called the one state solution and Israel rejects it too!

If Fatah gives up on a two state solution and demands citizenship and equal rights, Israel won't have much of a choice. They occupy the territory, and falsely claim it's a disputed territory. We'll, if the Palestinians give up on the dispute, what is there left?

Again, I should emphasize, this is a Palestinian final choice plan.

 

[UKBengali]

If Fatah gives up on a two state solution and demands citizenship and equal rights, Israel won't have much of a choice. They occupy the territory, and falsely claim it's a disputed territory. We'll, if the Palestinians give up on the dispute, what is there left?

Again, I should emphasize, this is a Palestinian final choice plan.

I agree that logically it is more sensible than “two state solution”.

You forget that Zio-US would kill Abbas immediately if he did that.

Fatah in West Bank is held hostage and kept in line by the barrel of a gun.

 

[PakFactor]

If Fatah gives up on a two state solution and demands citizenship and equal rights, Israel won't have much of a choice. They occupy the territory, and falsely claim it's a disputed territory. We'll, if the Palestinians give up on the dispute, what is there left?

Again, I should emphasize, this is a Palestinian final choice plan.

It's the only plan left. At this juncture in history, the battle has been lost not once but multiple times, and the last year shows that the surrounding Arab countries have no stomach to lift any weight. To put it politely, their performance was more than embarrassing.

At this point, the Palestinians are even better off living as 2nd class citizens. At least, it would prevent needless death.

Second of all, the Palestinians need to disassociate themselves from their larger Arab brethren.

 

[Shawnee]

Israel is set to expand beyond Palestine. Gradually but steadily mostly in West Bank