India Turns the Page with Russia

[ST1976]

we find India-Russia combined power increased consistently since 1990. India-Russia combined are "self-sufficient" with themselves since Cold War time. they dont have to trade with US-NATO......

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[ST1976]

India Turns the Page on Ties with Russia After Ukraine War

When India’s External Affairs Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar went to Moscow last week, he appeared to turn the page in India-Russia ties after two years of tightrope walking.

For the better part of the last two years, even as it had maintained neutrality on Ukraine and rapidly expanded trade with Russia, India had been wary of any perceptions of alignment with an isolated Moscow. There had been a pause in the annual bilateral meetings between India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russia’s President Vladimir Putin. India had chosen to hold the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit virtually last year rather than hosting Putin in New Delhi. It had also conveniently escaped hosting Putin at the G-20 Leaders’ Summit.

Throughout that period, India had continued to import oil and coal from Russia in unprecedented quantities, but New Delhi did so under the perception — deliberate or otherwise — that it had few strategic alternatives to trade with Moscow. There were seldom glowing references to Russia as an Indian ally, and Modi had even publicly lectured Putin about avoiding war.

But the world has since changed. As Israel has waged an appalling war in Gaza, the tables have turned, and U.S. support for the Israeli government in that war has diluted Washington’s moral high ground. Last month, the U.N. General Assembly voted overwhelmingly in favor of an “immediate humanitarian ceasefire” in Gaza. Only 10 countries, including Israel and the United States, voted against it. In the U.N. Security Council, the U.S. had to resort to a veto to kill a near-unanimous resolution.

Washington’s isolation over Gaza coincided with more bombastic rhetoric from New Delhi. After copping criticism from Western observers for meeting with Putin last week, Jaishankar said, “Please look in the mirror and tell me how you were behaving as a democracy.”

The agenda for bilateral talks between India and Russia has also expanded. When Jaishankar went to Moscow in 2022, there was heavy focus on oil trade, as India rushed to take advantage of discounted Russian crude.

This time, there was much more. In talks with Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Jaishankar discussed “the state of multilateralism and the building of a multipolar world order.” Ahead of the meeting, Lavrov said the two countries are interested in “building an international political and economic system that would be open and fair for everyone.”

Progress was also made on other important fronts. The Ukraine war appeared to have derailed military ties between the two countries; in 2022, Russia was buying back arms from India amid losses in Ukraine and crippling sanctions. That had added to larger concerns in New Delhi about Russia’s reliability as a supplier. But Moscow is now making an effort to revive military ties. Last week, Lavrov announced that he had made significant progress with Jaishankar on plans to jointly produce military equipment.

For New Delhi, this could be a major fillip. In the quest to indigenize its defense supplies, India has long hoped for joint development partnerships — in particular with the United States. But progress has been hampered over the years for sundry reasons, including regulatory barriers and industry concerns in the U.S. If India and Russia now begin to jointly develop military technology, that may only make the U.S. more wary; Washington may fear potentially losing trade secrets and technical know-how to Russia via India.

Under the circumstances, India may be tempted to choose Russia over the United States. Ties with Washington have soured in recent months after the U.S. alleged that an Indian government official had directed a murder plot in New York. U.S. President Joe Biden subsequently turned down an invitation to travel to New Delhi for India’s Republic Day parade later this month.

With Russia, on the other hand, there are few causes for irritation. As Jaishankar put it this week, “[Russia] is a relationship that [has] served India well.”

That statement of resounding endorsement would have been more uncomfortable only a year ago, with global public opinion squarely focused on casualties in Ukraine and the moral case against Russia’s unilateral invasion. But with Washington now implicated in a gruesome conflict of its own in the Middle East, India and Russia have recovered more strategic space.

We find, in UN, India could avoid any sanctions if it sit with Moscow, since Cold war time. The when Moscow used highest numbers of Vito power in favour Delhi./ India.
And same thing is true when we find India led NAM efforts favouring SU.
The defence infrastructure of Russia is such that it always needs contribution of Indian scientists and buyers both ..

 

[ST1976]

Good afternoon doc

India and Russia are natural allies and Russia is time tested and russia trusts india but niether trusts USA but India needs USA while vice versa as all three have a common enemy ... so logic says india shouuld mantain normal friendly and mutually benefitial relations with both Russia and USA and keep its trade realtions with China and that i guess is current govts policy ..minor hiccus do come time to time but they are managable as niether US camo nor the russian bamp will worsen its relations with india for each other ...cheers doc

As per USA's standing in world, they want those who buy their arms. USA don't keep friends, and India -Russia maintain their sovereignity.
And hence it's resulted in NAM type grouping against US/NATO

 

[vasanthm]

We shall have our cake and eat it too...

 

[ST1976]

There is no cost higher to pay for your national Interests and survival and dealing with china on chinese terms is against indian national interests and we will not play by chinese rules not now not in future weather chinese iike it or not hardly matters

I myself see no threat of China to either BRICS country including India or Russia.....

Rise of China balance NATO, which finally help India and its cold war allies

 

[ST1976]

India Turns the Page on Ties with Russia After Ukraine War

When India’s External Affairs Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar went to Moscow last week, he appeared to turn the page in India-Russia ties after two years of tightrope walking.

For the better part of the last two years, even as it had maintained neutrality on Ukraine and rapidly expanded trade with Russia, India had been wary of any perceptions of alignment with an isolated Moscow. There had been a pause in the annual bilateral meetings between India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russia’s President Vladimir Putin. India had chosen to hold the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit virtually last year rather than hosting Putin in New Delhi. It had also conveniently escaped hosting Putin at the G-20 Leaders’ Summit.

Throughout that period, India had continued to import oil and coal from Russia in unprecedented quantities, but New Delhi did so under the perception — deliberate or otherwise — that it had few strategic alternatives to trade with Moscow. There were seldom glowing references to Russia as an Indian ally, and Modi had even publicly lectured Putin about avoiding war.

But the world has since changed. As Israel has waged an appalling war in Gaza, the tables have turned, and U.S. support for the Israeli government in that war has diluted Washington’s moral high ground. Last month, the U.N. General Assembly voted overwhelmingly in favor of an “immediate humanitarian ceasefire” in Gaza. Only 10 countries, including Israel and the United States, voted against it. In the U.N. Security Council, the U.S. had to resort to a veto to kill a near-unanimous resolution.

Washington’s isolation over Gaza coincided with more bombastic rhetoric from New Delhi. After copping criticism from Western observers for meeting with Putin last week, Jaishankar said, “Please look in the mirror and tell me how you were behaving as a democracy.”

The agenda for bilateral talks between India and Russia has also expanded. When Jaishankar went to Moscow in 2022, there was heavy focus on oil trade, as India rushed to take advantage of discounted Russian crude.

This time, there was much more. In talks with Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Jaishankar discussed “the state of multilateralism and the building of a multipolar world order.” Ahead of the meeting, Lavrov said the two countries are interested in “building an international political and economic system that would be open and fair for everyone.”

Progress was also made on other important fronts. The Ukraine war appeared to have derailed military ties between the two countries; in 2022, Russia was buying back arms from India amid losses in Ukraine and crippling sanctions. That had added to larger concerns in New Delhi about Russia’s reliability as a supplier. But Moscow is now making an effort to revive military ties. Last week, Lavrov announced that he had made significant progress with Jaishankar on plans to jointly produce military equipment.

For New Delhi, this could be a major fillip. In the quest to indigenize its defense supplies, India has long hoped for joint development partnerships — in particular with the United States. But progress has been hampered over the years for sundry reasons, including regulatory barriers and industry concerns in the U.S. If India and Russia now begin to jointly develop military technology, that may only make the U.S. more wary; Washington may fear potentially losing trade secrets and technical know-how to Russia via India.

Under the circumstances, India may be tempted to choose Russia over the United States. Ties with Washington have soured in recent months after the U.S. alleged that an Indian government official had directed a murder plot in New York. U.S. President Joe Biden subsequently turned down an invitation to travel to New Delhi for India’s Republic Day parade later this month.

With Russia, on the other hand, there are few causes for irritation. As Jaishankar put it this week, “[Russia] is a relationship that [has] served India well.”

That statement of resounding endorsement would have been more uncomfortable only a year ago, with global public opinion squarely focused on casualties in Ukraine and the moral case against Russia’s unilateral invasion. But with Washington now implicated in a gruesome conflict of its own in the Middle East, India and Russia have recovered more strategic space.

we find India-Russia-Iran combined power increased consistently since 1990. India-Russia combined are "self-sufficient" with themselves for a wide range of Industries since Cold War time.

Delhi-Moscow-Tehran dont have to trade with US-NATO......

 

[Guru Dutt]

I myself see no threat of China to either BRICS country including India or Russia.....

Rise of China balance NATO, which finally help India and its cold war allies

you cannot trust China ..... they will once out of woods/very strong will try to modify the terms of terty you do with them today when they are week

China is like that emplyee in your compony which just wants to takeover but not in a postion now hence wants you to be in his group to make his point stronger so that so called management/HR hears "his case" but we already know what hapennes once his case is strong ... better manage owr own case and rally all other emplyees with us arather than them going with him

 

[ST1976]

you cannot trust China ..... they will once out of woods/very strong will try to modify the terms of terty you do with them today when they are week

China is like that emplyee in your compony which just wants to takeover but not in a postion now hence wants you to be in his group to make his point stronger so that so called management/HR hears "his case" but we already know what hapennes once his case is strong ... better manage owr own case and rally all other emplyees with us arather than them going with him

I wrote a comment today, as below. how do you see this?
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The Power not to sign NPT was more than those who signed NPT including P5s

as above, i would say that a day it will be proved that, the Power not to sign NPT was more than those who signed NPT including P5s.

here we find, Moscow and Beijing, as part of P5s, supported many crimes of NATO against developing countries which Delhi could deny by never signing NPT....

Post in thread 'Indian Politics and Internal News'

Dec 4, 2024

List of states with nuclear weapons​

Eight sovereign states have publicly announced successful detonation of nuclear weapons.[1] Five are considered to be nuclear-weapon states (NWS) under the terms of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). In order of acquisition of nuclear weapons, these are the United States, Russia (the successor of the former Soviet Union), the United Kingdom, France, and China. Of these, the three NATO members, the...

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[Guru Dutt]

I myself see no threat of China to either BRICS country including India or Russia.....

Rise of China balance NATO, which finally help India and its cold war allies

its not a threat only i was talking about its a process now to keep owr gaurd up and its only we who can work good for owr citizens not China not USA nor anyone else of so called cold war allies (in short apne marre bagair kissi ne swarg nahi paya)

 

[Guru Dutt]

I wrote a comment today, as below. how do you see this?
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The Power not to sign NPT was more than those who signed NPT including P5s

as above, i would say that a day it will be proved that, the Power not to sign NPT was more than those who signed NPT including P5s.

here we find, Moscow and Beijing, as part of P5s, supported many crimes of NATO against developing countries which Delhi could deny by never signing NPT....

Post in thread 'Indian Politics and Internal News'

Dec 4, 2024

List of states with nuclear weapons​

Eight sovereign states have publicly announced successful detonation of nuclear weapons.[1] Five are considered to be nuclear-weapon states (NWS) under the terms of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). In order of acquisition of nuclear weapons, these are the United States, Russia (the successor of the former Soviet Union), the United Kingdom, France, and China. Of these, the three NATO members, the...

• ST1976

well i put it this way ... for me there are three type of groups today

1.UK USA RUSSIA FRANCE CHINA are in UNSC & with Nuces

2.South Africa , Japan , Brazil & India asking for UNSC seat but only India has nuces and the money , Japan has the only money but Brazil & S Africa also represent there African and south american continent & are having good economic status with good population aswell to make there case strong in UNSC

3. Pakistan & North Korea & Israel also have nuces but all three cannot get in UNSC for reason that are not suitable or most nations in world agree with them

so the point is NPT was like a club for USA & UK and allies to keep the secrets with themselfs and all the riegns of power of UNSC with themselfs problem were Russia & China and then these two also behaved not diferntly from UK, France or USA ..... so how should we Indian's get the best of them all

and thats what we started doing form 1950s but leaned wy too left/towards USSR in

1. making/devloping owr own weapons and nucler technology
2. getting weapons and daul use nuclear civillian technology from soviets and western nations at very high cost
3. getting self reliant in food/milk/agro based and industrial based industries

 

[ST1976]

well i put it this way ... for me there are three type of groups today

1.UK USA RUSSIA FRANCE CHINA are in UNSC & with Nuces

2.South Africa , Japan , Brazil & India asking for UNSC seat but only India has nuces and the money , Japan has the only money but Brazil & S Africa also represent there African and south american continent & are having good economic status with good population aswell to make there case strong in UNSC

3. Pakistan & North Korea & Israel also have nuces but all three cannot get in UNSC for reason that are not suitable or most nations in world agree with them

so the point is NPT was like a club for USA & UK and allies to keep the secrets with themselfs and all the riegns of power of UNSC with themselfs problem were Russia & China and then these two also behaved not diferntly from UK, France or USA ..... so how should we Indian's get the best of them all

and thats what we started doing form 1950s but leaned wy too left/towards USSR in

1. making/devloping owr own weapons and nucler technology
2. getting weapons and daul use nuclear civillian technology from soviets and western nations at very high cost
3. getting self reliant in food/milk/agro based and industrial based industries

India won't like UNSC seat with Germany and Japan. Japan must be replaced by Indonesia, for example, and Germany would be replaced by Nigeria, say.......

in G4, a UNSC seat without Veto is also a question. the reason poor countries of P5s like France & UK have Veto and G4 won't??? India won't accept UN in current form.......

here, North Korea, Iran, and Israel first signed NPT and then refused. the reason India give Nuclear recognition to Pakistan only, as Pakistan never signed NPT like India and had "jayaj' Haq for N-tests in 1998

 

[Guru Dutt]

India won't like UNSC seat with Germany and Japan. Japan must be replaced by Indonesia, for example, and Germany would be replaced by Nigeria, say.......

in G4, a UNSC seat without Veto is also a question. the reason poor countries of P5s like France & UK have Veto and G4 won't??? India won't accept UN in current form.......

here, North Korea, Iran, and Israel first signed NPT and then refused. the reason India give Nuclear recognition to Pakistan only, as Pakistan never signed NPT like India and had "jayaj' Haq for N-tests in 1998

well there are things that India wants and then there are interntational realities regarding european hegemony in international diplomacy ......

by Logic there should be one most populas and most important and powerfull nation from one continent or sub continent in UNSC like

Brazil from South America
USA from North America
South Africa from Africa
Russia from eastern eurasianregion
France or Germany from western europe
Indonasia from south east asia
China from middle asia
India from south asia

but they have UK since its inception but not India brzail , S Africa or Indonasia and we all know the answer why and thats not just about nuclear weapons

 

[ST1976]

well there are things that India wants and then there are interntational realities regarding european hegemony in international diplomacy ......

by Logic there should be one most populas and most important and powerfull nation from one continent or sub continent in UNSC like

Brazil from South America
USA from North America
South Africa from Africa
Russia from eastern eurasianregion
France or Germany from western europe
Indonasia from south east asia
China from middle asia
India from south asia

but they have UK since its inception but not India brzail , S Africa or Indonasia and we all know the answer why and thats not just about nuclear weapons

how would you see my 2 posts as below? the post#70 and post#71 of the thread as below:
would you make any comment on people of India, based in Manufacturing-Serivces and those who are based on Agriculture, similar to Agriculture countries like Nepal-Myanmar?

Post in thread 'Indian Politics and Internal News'

Dec 9, 2024

bro, as per in post#21, its the only 31% Middle Class of India who drive Manfacturing & Service sector of India.
more than 60% population of India is based on agriculture and they might having Per Capita income compared to agriculture countries like Nepal.....

I would say, India is "self sufficient" for Its wide range of industries with countries like Russia. India-Russia-Iran dont have to trade with US-NATO
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Buddy, I don't know how to say this to you

Most INDIANS ARE IDIOTS

if any country in the world had a open door immigration policy towards India...

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Post in thread 'Indian Politics and Internal News'

Dec 9, 2024

Buddy, I don't know how to say this to you

Most INDIANS ARE IDIOTS

if any country in the world had a open door immigration policy towards India, they would make their country into a Indian slum with street shitting and communal violence and the rest of it

This is more to do with the selective immigration process

If you carefully select the most educated or competent of a country with over 1.4 billion people and bring many of them over on specific educational or work visa with waiting jobs then the outcome is not a result of that countries people but more because you only...

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[ST1976]

I myself see no threat of China to either BRICS country including India or Russia.....

Rise of China balance NATO, which finally help India and its cold war allies

Personally I think BRICS is a joke.

India and China are enemies.

this is an 'incompetent' statement

the NATO group dont want closer relation between India-China.
here, we have Russia in middle who share information between India-China.
in sum, we find India-China have more a sense of 'together'

 

[ST1976]

here its worth stating: -

we find India-Russia-Iran combined power increased consistently since 1990. India-Russia combined are "self-sufficient" with themselves for a wide range of Industries since Cold War time.

Delhi-Moscow-Tehran dont have to trade with US-NATO......