Can the US win a war with China? Shocking new simulation reveals what could happen if Taiwan is attacked

I'm talking to you about the German land-based air force, not the German naval aviation,Dive bombers can also sink ships,Without the Allied Air Force bombing the German reinforcements, German reinforcements would continue to flow into Normandy.

Please understand this sentence

t the ministerial meeting in January 1945, Albert Speer noted that, since the intensification of the bombing began, 35 per cent fewer tanks, 31 per cent fewer aircraft and 42 per cent fewer lorries were produced than planned because of the bombing. The German economy had to switch vast amount of resources away from equipment for the fighting fronts and assign them instead to combat the bombing threat.
As I said, Land Base bomber seldom sink ships, in fact, for the German, their track record aren't really that good.

Look at Dunkirk Evacuation, the British can only put up limited fighter screen after Battle of Britain, Ju-88 have free reign on Dunkirk coast, yet, of the 200 or so British/French ship, they only manage to sink 5 (4 British Destroyer, HMS Grenade, HMS Basilisk, HMS Havant, HMS Keith) and 1 French Destroyer, La Foudroyant.


And you are talking about roughly 100 Battleship of all type being used in that 15 days, and before the tide turn for the German, that's not a very good record

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Again, by 1945, Allied advanced in Middle East and the Caucasus mean Germany is cut off of its resource in the middle east and Africa not because of the bombing, the daylight bombing was widely criticize for being ineffective

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Holy smokes, the above post aged well and it is only two days old.

Trump threatens 100% tariff on the BRIC bloc of nations if they act to undermine US dollar​



The one thing the US fears is the rejection of the US dollar and also fears the rejection of the Trump plan of the dollar replacement - bitcoin.

If China goes to gold and silver for money, and gets their BRICS nations to support this, it ends the US dollar Empire, and America gets poorer and bankrupt. It would result in a chain reaction if gold and silver go global as money that would crash the US financial empire. This is the nightmare scenario for the US, or else Trump would not be threatening 100% tariffs.

That is why I suggest if China wants to invade Taiwan, use it as leverage after going to a gold backed Yuan. If Trump slaps China with 100% tariffs, then threaten to invade Taiwan if the US does not reduce the tariffs.
First of all, if America goes bankrupt, the world goes bankrupt, since 56% of world reserve currency is USD, imagine if 56% of money in your federal/central bank suddenly become toilet paper.

Second of all, if China is going back to gold, the only one that hurt is China, there is a reason why gold and silver is not being used anymore in the world, because it have a fix existence, which mean you only have a certain amount of gold in the world, you can't have more, which mean unless you have an exchange rate between gold and your currency at fiat rate (some nonsensical rate such as 1 Yuan = 0.0000001 ounce gold, and you can't extract 0.0000001 ounce of gold, well, you probably can, but the money required to extract that amount of gold will be more than that amount of gold, making it pointless to do) it will most definitely work against your economic development. Because you the lack of abundance of gold mean it take longer, a lot longer to settle your transaction. Imagine China switch to gold and building a road and having to only pay the worker after a month or so because you can't find enough gold to settle the money. And that's before you have to deal with privately owned gold. Imagine your grandma safe contain 1/20000 (or 10kg) of the entire national currency of China.......That would be fun.

And finally, BRICS only mean China, do you think the economic output of anyone other than China can even remotely make a different in economic term? You are talking about China being 4 times the sizes in economic than the rest of BRICS combine. And China alone won't be able to get enough hit or even chip the US Dollar dominance, just give you a for example. USD clearing rate per day is 7.5 TRILLION dollars worth (in any given day, exclude holiday, 7.5 trillion of US dollar changes hand), thats 3 times the entire floatable Chinese currency (around 2 trillion worth of Chinese Currency out there) so how much do you think China going back to gold and drag the rest of BRICS into it would damage the USD dominance?

You need to stop taking drug and smell the coffee.........
 
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Again, do you understand the concept of "Power Regeneration"?

Say you can super charge a production with the "MASSIVE CHINESE INDUSTRIAL CAPACITY" of building a carrier from 4 years to 1, which mean that 1 carrier cannot be destroyed or put out of service within that year, otherwise you won't have a carrier to replace it. It applies to literally EVERYTHING IN WAR, not just ship, the same applies to Tanks, Artillery, Artillery Rounds, and most important of all, human. Say if you build 10 carrier in one year, where do you find people to staff it? You need trained people to staff military equipment, like I said on the other thread with @That_Guy power generation is not just plug someone and put a rifle on him and tell him to charge an enemy position. The more existing equipment can last you longer, that's a unreputable fact. And that fact is, US have more fleet in the current and that can make them last longer.

On the other hand, you also need to consider damage to the country industrial base, especially for the Navy, because they are close to Taiwan as well, if you can reach it, they can reach back, which mean you won't have full capacity on production to begin with.
Firstly, scaling training is not a problem. We could see how USSR, Germany, USA, Japan etc scaled their manpower including fighter jet pilots & naval force in just few months when WW2 started. The simple method is to promote soldiers to officers & ask them to lead 5 new recruits, teach them how to do things etc. By doing this, the force can be multiplied 5 times pretty quickly. Since 1 person is supervising 5, he won't be too stretched and will have enough bandwidth to check on errors or problems of all 5 people.

As for Taiwan, it is a joke of a country. It has no resource and is just a base of USA. It has no coal, no fuel, no minerals of its own to build anything. If one blocks USA supplies, it will have nothing. As for lasting longer, only for the 1st wave, can USA last longer. But Chinese industrial capacity is so vast that it will overcome any war of attrition. Unless you have fantasies of war ending in a few weeks after nuclear bombardment, I don't see why you are discounting the war of attrition possibility
 
Firstly, scaling training is not a problem. We could see how USSR, Germany, USA, Japan etc scaled their manpower including fighter jet pilots & naval force in just few months when WW2 started. The simple method is to promote soldiers to officers & ask them to lead 5 new recruits, teach them how to do things etc. By doing this, the force can be multiplied 5 times pretty quickly. Since 1 person is supervising 5, he won't be too stretched and will have enough bandwidth to check on errors or problems of all 5 people.

Do you know how long it takes to train a fighter pilot in 1939? And in 2019?

It takes 9 months to train a fighter pilot back in WW2, it takes more than 3 years to train one now, plane and ship back then is different than what we had now, especially if we are talking about complicated stuff like nuclear power aircraft carrier or submarine, I mean do you really want a tech that "hurried" thru the training to put in charge of nuclear vessel?

Even if we are talking about tanks, it used to be 4 weeks to drive a Sheman tank, it's 13 weeks basic training, + 10 weeks AACT + 13-16 weeks position related training (Gunner, Loader, Repairman) or 30 weeks if you are talking about Tank commander.

And are you serious promoting soldier to officer?? Well, good luck on that. Those people are enlisted for a reason, you promote someone that him/herself is not qualified for the job and ask them to train people? Well, I can see how this end well.

And then how are you going to deal with the equipment you train with? For every fighter pilot you train you need 3 aircraft to train it, you need a prop plane, a jet trainer and a conversion trainer to train a pilot, and they have to be able to get on it, it doesn't matter how much you can taught on paper, it wouldn't do shit if you don't have air time, so are you going to build 3000 more aircraft just to train 1000 more pilot?


As for Taiwan, it is a joke of a country. It has no resource and is just a base of USA. It has no coal, no fuel, no minerals of its own to build anything. If one blocks USA supplies, it will have nothing. As for lasting longer, only for the 1st wave, can USA last longer. But Chinese industrial capacity is so vast that it will overcome any war of attrition. Unless you have fantasies of war ending in a few weeks after nuclear bombardment, I don't see why you are discounting the war of attrition possibility

Well, Ukraine don't have resource to build anything either, how long does it take for Russia to try to take it? 3 years now, the objective goes from 3 days to Kyiv to 4 months to cut off Ukraine coast, to 3 years now trying to take Donbas........

And you are talking about an advance economy with money to spend and R&D to match, and a military on high alert and you think the Chinese can just walk over Taiwan? LOL.........

It doesn't really matter how much Chinese industrial capacity overwhelm Taiwan, American Industrial output overwhelm the Taliban, see how that one goes? And to think otherwise is the actual fantasy. You may as well think Taiwan will just not gonna fight and give up if thought is what's count
 
This is what I said on the VERY FIRST POST with your exchange
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This was the FIRST POST I made in this thread on a 'stupid' statement. You said if US was involved, the ENTIRE Chinese fleet would be destroyed, and coastal Chinese cities would suffer MAJOR destruction. LOL. Then after a few post and some realization on the absurdity of your idea, it became destroying SOME targets in a city. Mr. THINK TANK ain't thinking at all it seems.


I cannot be held responsible for you being blind and dumb and think I talk about Guangzhou



Huh? You do know even 81mm mortar have maximum damage radius of 300 meters, right?


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So you are saying a missile have 5 times less the blast radius than a 40mm grenade?? Maybe I should shoot a grenade at you and you stand 25meters from where I am aiming, as you obviously think the MAXIMUM blast range for a bomb is only 20 meters...........

But then, who am I asking........
Firstly genius, there are many types of munitions the tomahawk can carry, nuke warhead? conventional warhead? fragmented munitions? If you want to be funny, a single tomahawk can destroy a city with nukes. What we are talking about is the 500kg conventional explosives. The crater created by a 500kg bomb is roughly 20 meters. That's how the number is calculated. If you want to calculate windows glass damage, then it might even get to a km away. LOL.

'The 1,000-pound bomb is powerful enough to destroy a house or blast a crater roughly 20 feet wide, as shown in this Raytheon video. '


Hey Mr. THINK TANK , are you feeling educated now? Dude, why am I even spoon feeding a genius like you. LOL



Dude, I am not saying AI IDentifying a target is not a possibility, I said REAL TIME targetting using AI is not a possibility. Which you will need because even hypersonic, 10 minutes of delay (from ID time to flight time) you are talking about a 30 square kilometers radius HEP. Good luck trying to saturate that area to blanket a carrier

And I take that you don't have an answer to my question, you know AI my arse.....
Dude, do you know how many Gaofen satellites there are ? Why do you think we launch so many? OOO previously you said it was not possible, then when I send you a video proving it WAS possible, it now becomes delay?

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First of all, I am still waiting on you to answer the old question, and second of all, I never flunk out of IT and go do commerce (not art, I never have an art degree) And finally, You still have not even proven you even been to college.

I don't see no debate here, because you know shit on the topic
Yes keep lying, you told me you didn't finish IT and continued to business degree, that's when I ridiculed you being technically incompetent to even debate. Remember our debate on low level machine language? Want me to remind you? hahahahahahahahahha

Yes, you saw a video and that must be true, carry on.



Again, you know shit in actual shipping as much as you know shit how to maintain a ship at sea, my cousin still laughing at your a$$ talking about painting a ship mid-sea with all the wave washing up on your ship.

In a war, US MSC will charter civilian ship into their rank, that's their entire Civilian Service Mariner Corp is for, to man those ship


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Your cousin is laughing? The world is laughing at rusty paint peeling US ships. You are from IT, to think tank to soldier and then now paint expert. I just told you maintenance is possible at sea, you don't believe me, it is up to you. Ever wondered if your cousin is part of that maintenance culture? The don't give a shit culture and let it rust culture? We have 20 year old ships with proper paint jobs, ships that sail almost 90% of the year.

I told you, MAERSK ain't gonna ship shit when there is a threat of a ship sinking, that's 100$mil in ship cost, plus god knows how much in cargo cost. You think they will sail with no insurance coverage. Wake up genius, life ain't that simple. The moment you said Iraq and Afghanistan, I was LMAO. During the Gulf War, the Iraqi Navy was virtually destroyed, ships can sail up and down easily and look at the geographic of Iraq, there is basically only one point of entry at Umm Qasr. They are basically landlocked genius. LOL, Afghanistan? Yes, the great Afghan Navy is going to sink ships. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH


It's different in Ukraine because all military traffic is blocked because Bosphorus is blocked by Turkey as per international law. You basically ship there at your own risk.

And Maresk did run blockade back in 1970 in the middle east with US navy escorting using MSC crew.
US Navy against who in the 1970s? Camel Navy? Stop creating stupid excuses, MAERSK is still in the Black Sea just not in ODESSA.



Dude, that just mean you know shit about histroy.

It doesn't affect UK blockade of Falkland, it does not affect Iran blockade of Iraq oil, it does not affect Israeli blockade of Egypt back in 1970

In fact, even Maresk resume their route in Red Sea.


Guess it something your "Maresk Uncle" didn't told you about??
MAERSK stopped delivery for a week or two initially, it was continued after the threat was not serious. There is no WAR in the RED SEA, just a bunch of terrorist attacking US Naval ships and UK flagged ships, if you use COSCO, or other flags, no issue mate. Actuaries at the insurance company will calculate the risk, if it is LOW risk, they will continue. Now in the Taiwan War, blockade by the world's largest Navy with coastal ASM, would mean sinking. We ain't Houthis mate.



And so you then must be familiar with DC Central counter flooding opposite ballast tank.

And lol, as my cousin said, since when people who build ship know how do DC Central?
HAHAHA. Your cousin knows but you don't? Do you need your cousin to brush your teeth?


Again, I am using 80% hit rate in that calculation and that mean 16% you can score 8 direct hit, and are you saying DF-21 can shit with 80% accuracy?
3 DF-21S guided by military grade beidou can't hit a 300 meter long ship? Are you mathematically retarded? LOL


And lol, yes 100 missile boat we will just let them approach without challenging it. Seems like the guns, missile, torpedo, helicopter in a Burke class is just for show for you.
I just told you before, missile boats are effective in coastal areas protected by coastal ASM and AD. That's why i told you US navy is FRIED in the area.


And do you even know how missile damage work? It is thru a compression blast. Not actually destroy anything. Oh, wait, you are going to tell me you actually fire DF-21 to test the ship you build.


Yes, 1 missile boat can sink 1 burke, it's just that easy, I believe you, no need to submit any strategic, tactics or even remotely describe how you can do it.

Sure, why not. LOL
Actually, I just told you, it takes at least 3 missiles to sink a Burke. Each missile boat can carry 8 with a range of 300km. The Straits is 200km wide maximum.



Dude, first of all, endurance is a big issue with sub, because you can't track the sub, but you can track the submarine tender because you don't resupply a sub underwater. Which mean if you have to surface more frequent, you are going to get tracked easier. That's number 1

Second, nuclear sub has less moving mechanical moving part, it's consider a lot more silent than diesel sub, because for it to be silent, they need to use their electric motor, which mean less endurance (previous point) which mean you can cover less ground under stealth


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A cousin of mine is a submariner, but then you probably going to claim you build submarine next.
Wow, you have a lot of cousins in the Navy mate. Make sure they ain't in the pockets of Fat Leonard. LOL. Yes, endurance is crucial if you are fighting 8000km from your mainland mate. Chinese diesel electric subs are some of the quietest subs in the world. Explain to me how nuclear submarines has less moving parts. One uses diesel to turn a turbine, another uses steam to turn a turbine. Both have turbines. I am just asking for a explanation, not saying I am correct.


LOL do you even know how many port Taiwan have in their coast? And how about mke shift port? How about natural landing (Which is what supported Normandy invasion until cherborg come online?)

Dude, said it before, YOU CAN'T BLOCKADE A COUNTRY JUST BLOCKADING PORT. For a blockade to work, it HAS TO BE AN AREA.
I think it is frustrating explaining to a genius like you. When you blockade shipping, you blockade traffic from entering a PORT. Containers and supplies can only unload at specific ports. You think you can unload at a fishing port? You need areas deep enough with piers long enough and cranes to unload supplies. You think you can just sail up to the beach and use dinghy boats to unload? LOLOLOL. You blockade an area so ships in that area cannot enter a PORT. This is for commercial shipping. Taiwan only has 8 major container ports. Almost 80% of shipping is facing the straits.

For naval blockade, you are blockading naval ships from entering an area like Taiwan straits, you do this based on your missile range, and radar range aka your op range. For China, even coastal areas can help sink US Navy ships.


Are you for real? First you said "No dimwit in China is going to sail 100s of ship without first clearing off the defense"

Then you start blasting about there are thousand of fishing boat that can carruy 25 soldier each with 25 drone and storm the defense.........
No dimwit will sail 100s of ships without first clearing the coastal defenses numb numb. READ!!. Just common sense which I find you lack. China can literally ship men across using fishing boats if needed. I am trying to explain to you unconventional warfare.



First of all. Sure, that would work, until you need to think where you are going to disembark with those 1000 fishing boat. There are only 2 type of coastal ground, flat ground or raised ground, for flat ground such as beach, you can't get close or you are going to round aground with contagious shelf and/or any undersea obstacle. Most fishing boat have 5 to 10 feet draft and that's with 5 fisherman and maybe a ton of fish, not 25 soldier each loaded with hundred of kilogram equipment. You are going to get stranded about 100-200 meters away from the beach head. If it is a serviced ground, it mean you have to have gangway to access. How are you going to unload everything in that 1000 boats? And finally, 25000 men is not really a big number, you are talking about 2 division worth of men, this get you maybe 2 points of the ENTIRE COAST LINE. Each division can fight in a 30km front line, and from Taipei to
Have been on a fishing boat, I routinely fish, they can get within the coast easily, mere meters away, they only need like 2 meters draft. Why would they need to carrry fish when they are carrying soldiers. FFS, common sense. I fish with 10 guys routinely. I reckon if you want to pack, it can comfortably pack in 25 guys even more. FFS, go to South China, rent a fishing boat, they literally go EVERYWHERE.



Tainan, it's 307 km. You are going to get in what we call a "Hard Time" if you just going to land 2 division of men in
And lol, you can't disguise a cargoship into a transport, again, you are going to need proper way to disembark. If you can use that car carrier, you ALREADY have the coast.

And lol, I am not even wanting to comment on your "Battle Plan" which is absurd, first of all, 25000 men first wave and you think you can drop artillery (which is outside the range of even EX Base Bleed round) can remove all the AD. Which in itself is NOT going to be in the coast to begin with, is virtually impossible. Russian march that many men toward Hostomel, with a friggin air assualt and still can''t defeat the AD for just 1 airport and 1 city. And you think you can get the entire Taiwanese Coast
I have already explained to you how we are going to attack and land. Nobody will go in without first destroying and flattening the ASMs and AD.


Second, lol, 20% supporter of Chinese? lol. For real? Even Taliban support in Afghanistan population is not over 9%........And you think if China invades 20% of Taiwanese is going to be your sleeper agent...........dude, why not 40? Why not 80% of Taiwanese would support China, game over, war don't even start, GG and Good night.
20% of people in Taiwan are BLUE, aka support ONE CHINA. I am telling you, your pool for insurrection is HIGH when things get desperate. LOL. How the heck can we afford a few million sleeper agents genius? Sleeper agents are in the military, some brigade, platoon commanders who visited China before, we have tonnes of cases. Some even have houses in the mainland. COMMON SENSE. GOSH!



MLRS have a range of 80-120km, if you are talking about missile like ATACMS, those aren't artillery, those are ballistic missile. You can't shoot a GMLRS over 400km..........

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Tell me where did I Even say US need to invade China?
MLRS is not artillery? Dude, HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO EDUCATE YOU !!!!

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This was the FIRST POST I made in this thread on a 'stupid' statement. You said if US was involved, the ENTIRE Chinese fleet would be destroyed, and coastal Chinese cities would suffer MAJOR destruction. LOL. Then after a few post and some realization on the absurdity of your idea, it became destroying SOME targets in a city. Mr. THINK TANK ain't thinking at all it seems.

First of all, did I say "All" Coastal City?

Second of all, I replied your post immediately, so please do tell me your definition of "some"

Firstly genius, there are many types of munitions the tomahawk can carry, nuke warhead? conventional warhead? fragmented munitions? If you want to be funny, a single tomahawk can destroy a city with nukes. What we are talking about is the 500kg conventional explosives. The crater created by a 500kg bomb is roughly 20 meters. That's how the number is calculated. If you want to calculate windows glass damage, then it might even get to a km away. LOL.

'The 1,000-pound bomb is powerful enough to destroy a house or blast a crater roughly 20 feet wide, as shown in this Raytheon video. '


Hey Mr. THINK TANK , are you feeling educated now? Dude, why am I even spoon feeding a genius like you. LOL

You do know that "Cratering" is not the same as "Maximum Damage Radius" right??

Doesn't matter termite or ants. The maximum damage radius is 20m. Our major air bases are not even located that near Taiwan for obvious reasons. Duh!

Yes, a crater will be 20 meters wide, but I am pretty sure you are going to be dead if you are standing 25 meters away from where a 1000 pounder exploded.

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You see the crater here? Tell me is there destruction outside the crater?


Dude, do you know how many Gaofen satellites there are ? Why do you think we launch so many? OOO previously you said it was not possible, then when I send you a video proving it WAS possible, it now becomes delay?

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Do you know how Gaofen Satellite work?? In fact, do you know how any satellite work?

Do you know how cloud do with Satellite?

And you are talking about Spatial Satellite, which mean you can't jump orbit, so unless you are claiming it can scan the ENTIRE earth surface, what will happen if your target exited your range?? 34 Satellite Can't position itself on more than 6 planar movement, each planar need about 40. So you can't even saturated with 1 plane

Again, I am not talking about whether or not you can track something with Satellite. I can track a car if you tell me where it was with a IP and where it was going and also the description of a car, but if you want to have it real time, it cannot be done, you CAN'T PROVIDE REAL TIME Tracking with satellite, because for it to happen, you will need real time target acquisition and identification, which is currently impossible


Yes keep lying, you told me you didn't finish IT and continued to business degree, that's when I ridiculed you being technically incompetent to even debate. Remember our debate on low level machine language? Want me to remind you? hahahahahahahahahha

I said I completed 2.5 years of computer engineering before I SWITCH TO commerce, this is what I said in the old forum

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If you did study in an Australian University (like you said you did get "Top Mark" in top Aussie University) You will know Computer Science without honour is a 3 years degree, where the first year is general program, if I did 2.5 years in Computer Engineering, I would get the damn degree........

Dude, you lied when you tell me you program but not react to the term "hack" and you don't even know how Aussie uni works and you claim you were there. And then you don't even show any proof of you being in one, and you are the one talk about lying?

Your cousin is laughing? The world is laughing at rusty paint peeling US ships. You are from IT, to think tank to soldier and then now paint expert. I just told you maintenance is possible at sea, you don't believe me, it is up to you. Ever wondered if your cousin is part of that maintenance culture? The don't give a shit culture and let it rust culture? We have 20 year old ships with proper paint jobs, ships that sail almost 90% of the year.

Well, I am not the one that claim to be a nautical expert, then proceed to NOT KNOW wave will wash away anything you do. LOL. In my cousin word, it's like washing your car while it's raining outside.

LOL


I told you, MAERSK ain't gonna ship shit when there is a threat of a ship sinking, that's 100$mil in ship cost, plus god knows how much in cargo cost. You think they will sail with no insurance coverage. Wake up genius, life ain't that simple. The moment you said Iraq and Afghanistan, I was LMAO. During the Gulf War, the Iraqi Navy was virtually destroyed, ships can sail up and down easily and look at the geographic of Iraq, there is basically only one point of entry at Umm Qasr. They are basically landlocked genius. LOL, Afghanistan? Yes, the great Afghan Navy is going to sink ships. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

LOL and I have told you Maersk resume Red Sea service when the Houthi thing wasn't sorted.

And you have no idea how MSC work......

And lol, During Iraq/Iran war, IRAN is the one enacting a blockade.......Not Iraq.........exactly how dumb are you?? I mean, if you don't know about history, just look at the Map, Iran can blockade Iraq from Hormuz trait. Iraq can't do the same as they are further instream

LOL.............

US Navy against who in the 1970s? Camel Navy? Stop creating stupid excuses, MAERSK is still in the Black Sea just not in ODESSA.

Umm......


And if you are too dumb to figure out what US is doing in the 70s, then I can't help you

MAERSK stopped delivery for a week or two initially, it was continued after the threat was not serious. There is no WAR in the RED SEA, just a bunch of terrorist attacking US Naval ships and UK flagged ships, if you use COSCO, or other flags, no issue mate. Actuaries at the insurance company will calculate the risk, if it is LOW risk, they will continue. Now in the Taiwan War, blockade by the world's largest Navy with coastal ASM, would mean sinking. We ain't Houthis mate.

Dude, this is not how insurance work........

Insurance work on risk, it means it really didn't matter if there is a war or not a war, or a police action going on, if the risk of the ship being damage, then there your premium goes up. And it wouldn't matter if you are Maresk or Cosco, as long as traffic is there and hostile action is there, the premium goes up. Especially you are talking about random missile attack. Because while you may not target some ship, but you will be going to hit it inadvertently.


HAHAHA. Your cousin knows but you don't? Do you need your cousin to brush your teeth?

Did your mom know you farted?

And how will I know what DC Central mean? I ain't Navy. I mean does he know how to compress an Abrams engine. Again, I am not the one brag about how much I know ship because I build them, YOU ARE, and you know shit if you don't know what is DC Central.

3 DF-21S guided by military grade beidou can't hit a 300 meter long ship? Are you mathematically retarded? LOL

Huh? This is not how guidance work.......It's not even how it work when I am pointing a Laser Det on a target directing a JDAM......

You do know first of all, there is a thing called "Maneuvering", then there is a thing called "Course Correction", and finally there is a thing called "Defensive Measure"

But of course if what you think is we are just going to stand there and let you shoot your mighty missile with, well, carry on then......

I just told you before, missile boats are effective in coastal areas protected by coastal ASM and AD. That's why i told you US navy is FRIED in the area.


Actually, I just told you, it takes at least 3 missiles to sink a Burke. Each missile boat can carry 8 with a range of 300km. The Straits is 200km wide maximum.

Again, did all the defensive weapon, helicopter, radar on a burke class is just for show??

Wow, you have a lot of cousins in the Navy mate. Make sure they ain't in the pockets of Fat Leonard. LOL. Yes, endurance is crucial if you are fighting 8000km from your mainland mate. Chinese diesel electric subs are some of the quietest subs in the world. Explain to me how nuclear submarines has less moving parts. One uses diesel to turn a turbine, another uses steam to turn a turbine. Both have turbines. I am just asking for a explanation, not saying I am correct.

I have 4 cousins, and ALL MY family member who serve went into the Navy, I am the only Army guy.

And are you seriously asking why Nuclear Power Plant has fewer moving parts than diesel plant? Do you know what moving parts did to nuclear reactor?? Do you know how Chernobyl exploded? They drop the graphite rod into the reaction chamber and trigger a super reaction......I mean, I want to know how China builds their nuclear reactor, are you using piston and internal combustion to move the control rod?? LOL......

I think it is frustrating explaining to a genius like you. When you blockade shipping, you blockade traffic from entering a PORT. Containers and supplies can only unload at specific ports. You think you can unload at a fishing port? You need areas deep enough with piers long enough and cranes to unload supplies. You think you can just sail up to the beach and use dinghy boats to unload? LOLOLOL. You blockade an area so ships in that area cannot enter a PORT. This is for commercial shipping. Taiwan only has 8 major container ports. Almost 80% of shipping is facing the straits.

For naval blockade, you are blockading naval ships from entering an area like Taiwan straits, you do this based on your missile range, and radar range aka your op range. For China, even coastal areas can help sink US Navy ships.

First of all, you NEVER blockade a port, that's the closest to the enemy. You blockade the strait lead to a port, show me one, ONE example when a country enacting a blockade actually and physically blockading a port. You are going to eat missile and mine like constantly coming from offshore.

Second of all, you can't control the sea if you are going sit with your missile, you don't have mean to monitor the traffic, you are literally going to watch the sea and hoping to intercept shipping as they come in, you have to position your ship in the area to stop those shipping, just based that on your missile range did nothing

This is NOT AT ALL how blockade work.

No dimwit will sail 100s of ships without first clearing the coastal defenses numb numb. READ!!. Just common sense which I find you lack. China can literally ship men across using fishing boats if needed. I am trying to explain to you unconventional warfare.

Dude, sending 1000 fishing boat to clear coastal defense is the same as sending 100s ship to Taiwan, only that's a even stupider move as those fishing ship don't provide any protection to your troop and by nature you are delivering your troop piecemeal, a long burst of 7.62 from a GPMG from 800-1500 yard away would have wipe out all the men in that fishing boat, let alone a combination of Small Arms, Mortar, RPG and recoilless fire.

And again, how are you going to do that? As I explained before, even if you can land them all, first, 25000 men can do jack, that side of the Taiwanese coast would have been defended by 5 different army group, that's 250,000 + men. Second of all, if you are using those vessels, you are going to get beached far from the shore. Not to mention putting 1000 fishing boat crossing the 120km strait into Taiwan, have you heard of the term "Sea States"? Alot of those fishing boat will be sunk before even reaching within 10nm of Taiwan.

Even if you can get across and then what? Do you know how much supplies you are going to need to support those 25000 men? In Normady, a single soldier carry 31 kg of gear off ship, with supply runs into 1000s tons a day. How are you going to support that initial wave? Or are you going to just send them one off?

Well, this is unconventional alright. Unconventionally dumb.....

Have been on a fishing boat, I routinely fish, they can get within the coast easily, mere meters away, they only need like 2 meters draft. Why would they need to carrry fish when they are carrying soldiers. FFS, common sense. I fish with 10 guys routinely. I reckon if you want to pack, it can comfortably pack in 25 guys even more. FFS, go to South China, rent a fishing boat, they literally go EVERYWHERE.

I own a 31 ft fishing boat. It's one thing to have it tied up or moor at a pier or over the river, it's another when you load up with at least 5 tons of stuff and try to drag it over the beach. Which again, you will have to because that's how the coast end in Taiwan.

I have already explained to you how we are going to attack and land. Nobody will go in without first destroying and flattening the ASMs and AD.

Yes, but how do you flatten and destroy Taiwan ASM and AD? First, they are going to be in a prepared position, which mean you need to go inland and find it, second they do fight back, you can't just think you are going to overwhelm them with Air Power/Drone alone, this does not happen to Russia in Ukraine during the early stage in this war, and you think you have better chance on a more sophisticated and more prepared opponent? Dude, unlike Ukraine, Taiwan is prepping for it for over 50 years just in case the Chinese will invade. And they are a lot more capable than the Ukrainian.

20% of people in Taiwan are BLUE, aka support ONE CHINA. I am telling you, your pool for insurrection is HIGH when things get desperate. LOL. How the heck can we afford a few million sleeper agents genius? Sleeper agents are in the military, some brigade, platoon commanders who visited China before, we have tonnes of cases. Some even have houses in the mainland. COMMON SENSE. GOSH!

You talk about "million" of sleeper agent in Taiwan and you talk about common sense??

I mean I used to do military intelligence; do you even know how hard it is to insert even 1 asset. 20% sympathiser may be closer to reality if push comes to shove, but those are sympathise to the clause not actually working for China.

If you do have 20% sleeper agent, you won't need to invade, they will turn over Taiwan to you already.

MLRS is not artillery? Dude, HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO EDUCATE YOU !!!!

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Since when did I say MLRS is not artillery? I said missile like ATACMS is not artillery.

Do you even know the definition of artillery? First of all, artillery HAS TO BE indirect fire. Even with PrGS round, you are aiming at an area, hence indirect fire, missile is a point-to-point active firing solution, you shoot a precision missile up and that missile is there to target something, like you aim your tank gun on a target, that's DIRECT FIRE.

You know jack shit about military term.......
 
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Dude.....Are you for real?

Can you not distinguish the 2 separate term "Peer Adversary" and "Near Peer Adversary"?

US and China are peer adversary, similar outlook and similar combat power, with similar level of technology. RAND defined Russia as no longer a peer to the US in this article, only China is a peer


Near peer is having capability to challenge you as an adversary, it may not share the same combat power or technological level to challenge you but it will still pose a significant risk to your current operation.

The DoD has classified 5 near peer threat China (again, I would say it is a peer), Russia, Iran, North Korea and Violent Terrorist Organisation in the article TRADOC LPD discusses the Army of 2030 and its near-peer adversaries

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So, you tell me whether or not China should see Taiwan as near peer.


'General Says Deterring Two 'Near Peer' Competitors Is Complex'



'used to describe communication or activity between people or organizations that are very similar or nearly equal:'


Yes, and you were saying? LOL. This is from a defense website my friend. US only has 2 near peer adversaries, CHINA and RUSSIA. You can classify whatever you want, the reality is Taiwan is NOT a peer nor a near peer adversary to CHINA. Soviet Union was a peer adversary to US, China is not yet one until we challenge US globally and abandon the dollar system.




How? so if I position my carrier in East of Taiwan, they can't cover the ground and air boundary of Taiwan? Is there some sort of forcefield stopping US F-35 or ballistic missile sub to fire from one end of Taiwanese Coast to the other? The width of Taiwan is not 1000 km, it's 120km, a ship ported at Naha in Okinawa can fire a Black II BGM-109 and hit China as it is 840km from Naha to Fuzhou......so yes, how US can strike China without getting into Taiwan Strait indeed? I don't know, don't ask me lol

So you are going to destroy coastal Chinese cities by firing from Naha? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Then why do you even need a Navy, just fire from NAHA, all problems solved. LOL. So you are telling me you can sink an amphibious assault ship moving at 30 knots by firing from NAHA? How the heck are you going to prevent a landing if you are not IN the straits? You can even strike Fuzhou from much further away, but can you destroy Fuzhou just by using a CM with a 20m crater. Don't forget we can do the same to Naha with CJ10.



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(Block II Tomahawk have a range of 1600 mile, or 2500 km)


And who said you need air force and navy to strike China? Oh, Land base Harpoon system or HIMAR must not actually exist then. I mean Ukraine have no ship at all that can fire anti-ship missile into mountain range, ask them how they sink 6 Russian battleship?

Dude, you are funny, so yes, I agree hahahahahahhha
US would need transport HIMARS and HARPOONS onto TAIWAN if they are going to do that. I am assuming you think Taiwanese defenses would still be 100% intact after our attack? You might as well say US will land an amphibious assault team on Taiwan and transport more HIMARS and HARPOONS, dude this then becomes a chicken and egg issue. Ukraine is next to Russia my friend, US is not next to China. You fcking telling me you can launch HIMARS & HARPOON from Okinawa and sink Chinese ships in the straits? LOL.


Again, go back to the first section, what did I say?

You are dumb and blind and can't understand what I said by 160km is your business, not mine,.
160km is a fact, it is geography.


Oh My God, you are really thick aren't you?

You don't just make stuff out of thin air, it takes times and resource to make anything, while you don't wait until you have your equipment depleted, but the issue is not when you start making those stuff, but rather how fast things is going to used up.
That's why you PLAN AHEAD numb numb, if you have 30% stocks remaining, do you start manufacturing, or you wait until it reaches 0%. Geesh, common sense mate.

Again, even if you can shorten the time to make a carrier from 4 years to 1. You still can't lose that carrier within that year, becuase once you did you will have it without until the new one is being made. Same with fighter aircraft, same with tanks, same with missile, same with munition and all, and the problem is, YOU ALWAYS USE IT QUICKER than you build them, again, look at Russia, their production rate has increase from 36 tanks build a month to 110 (their claim) but they are still using old T-62 because they lose more than 110 tanks a month, otherwise the new build would have been suffice to replace the loss, but this is not the case here. You can increase your production, you can build them immediately, but if you are expecting a heavy fight, it's not going to work. And that is before any disruption happen to your production capability, which again, US is going to use other asset to close off Middle East and Singapore and China will have issue keeping the production base, again, China need 76 million tons of Aluminium import a year(Go back to my post with that noob @Nuffle talking about China being number 3 aluminium producer in the world), how are you going to get it if the US is shutting off Suez Canal or Malacca Strait and cutting off supply from Africa, and how do you purpose China to challenge it?
My friend, we are talking about missiles and ammunitions, not ships here. Can you please wake up and stop ranting so much unrelated stuff. China needs 76 million tons of aluminum for ALL uses, you think all of it goes to making weapons? We have supplies from Russia btw. To attack China near the mainland, you think you can get by using half your Navy? LOL


Again, I can rob a bank, I have a gun at home, does that mean I have to rob it??

What kind of logic are you operating on? Since I can do it, I must?


Go abck and read all the point, I got nothing more to say

You don't have to rob it, but then you are telling me you are gonna rob it. So if you are gonna rob it, you don't use the gun at home??
 

'General Says Deterring Two 'Near Peer' Competitors Is Complex'



'used to describe communication or activity between people or organizations that are very similar or nearly equal:'


Yes, and you were saying? LOL. This is from a defense website my friend. US only has 2 near peer adversaries, CHINA and RUSSIA. You can classify whatever you want, the reality is Taiwan is NOT a peer nor a near peer adversary to CHINA. Soviet Union was a peer adversary to US, China is not yet one until we challenge US globally and abandon the dollar system.

Oh, Mr Dict strike again.

This is the US Defense Department definition of Near Peer Competitor (NPC)


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It does not have to be similar outlook, in fact, DTIC define it as A.) An entity that can Challege US regionally, not globally, and B.) extra regional reach would not be sustainable in the face of US build up.

If we use this definition, then China would be a near peer to the US, because China cannot challenge the US globally, but regionally, and most likely will not be able to sustain in face of US Build up.

Which in Taiwan and China case, it's the same, Taiwan have no way to challenge China globally, but regionally, and Taiwan will most likely cannot sustain in face of China build up. On the other hand, if you look at it conversely, if Taiwan is not a near peer for China, then why China need to build up it's military to attempt to defeat Taiwan?? If they didn't see it as near peer, they would have done what the Russian doing in Ukraine, which is to send their force as is. Which turn out to be a big mistake, and you think Taiwan is more a cake walk than Ukraine to not see it as near peer?

Well, that's probably why you would NEVER be a military officer and is the kind of person I wish was in charge of Chinese miltiary.

So you are going to destroy coastal Chinese cities by firing from Naha? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Then why do you even need a Navy, just fire from NAHA, all problems solved. LOL. So you are telling me you can sink an amphibious assault ship moving at 30 knots by firing from NAHA? How the heck are you going to prevent a landing if you are not IN the straits? You can even strike Fuzhou from much further away, but can you destroy Fuzhou just by using a CM with a 20m crater. Don't forget we can do the same to Naha with CJ10.

Dude, are you dumb or just have some kind of weird logic??

Again, just because I can do something, that does not mean I need to do it, because that would be obvious. Had you not heard of the term "Strategic Ambiguity"?

And you don't prevent a landing in the strait, you prevent a landing from shore side.

US would need transport HIMARS and HARPOONS onto TAIWAN if they are going to do that. I am assuming you think Taiwanese defenses would still be 100% intact after our attack? You might as well say US will land an amphibious assault team on Taiwan and transport more HIMARS and HARPOONS, dude this then becomes a chicken and egg issue. Ukraine is next to Russia my friend, US is not next to China. You fcking telling me you can launch HIMARS & HARPOON from Okinawa and sink Chinese ships in the straits? LOL.

First of all, unless you had already took Taiwan, US will not need to land an Amphibious Assault team in Taiwan, I mean Assault What exactly?

Second, I don't know how much Taiwanese defensive power will be, but I know what it will not be, and that's 0.

And Ukraine aren't next to US either, does that mean US cannot timely transfer weapon to Ukraine?

And finally, you are thinking of a situition will be unchanged until China fire the first shot. You can't just call up your troop and assault Taiwan the next day, in fact, you can't just suddently change your tune and dropping the status quo and moving to the direction of using force. The moment you did it, Taiwan and US will know something is up, and it take Russian 6 months to gather enough troop for a ground invasion, it will be twice as long for China to pull an amphibious operation. US will release a lot of weapon Taiwan want but the US refused to give because of the Status Quo, when they feel that they cannot maintain the Status Quo, which will happen a lot longer before the actual invasion, they will just send whatever Taiwan need, and unlike Ukraine, they actually have money to buy them.

That's why you PLAN AHEAD numb numb, if you have 30% stocks remaining, do you start manufacturing, or you wait until it reaches 0%. Geesh, common sense mate.

That's what you don't understand. You don't start at 0% or 30% or any given percentage. The concept of Power Regeneration is that you start at 100%, after you have committed into a war, however, it's not just about production, but also about loss mitigation, because it will take you a week to build a tank, but it will take 2 seconds for an unlucky bastard to lose it. War damage and War Attrition is ALWAYS above the production rate because of the aforementioned reason, realistically, unless you are talking about a low intensity warfare, you cannot cover losses with what you build, that's why most war fought in this century we have a negative loss of power.

If you start building when you reach 30%, it's already too late.

My friend, we are talking about missiles and ammunitions, not ships here. Can you please wake up and stop ranting so much unrelated stuff. China needs 76 million tons of aluminum for ALL uses, you think all of it goes to making weapons? We have supplies from Russia btw. To attack China near the mainland, you think you can get by using half your Navy? LOL

You do know there is a reason why Russia is looking for Iran and North Korea for missile and ammunition, right?

You are talking about a complete embargo, a complete cut off between China and their source.

76 million tons of aluminium is not all used to make weapon, but whatever amount that were, you aren't getting any. That is the issue. It make you choose which resource you want to use.

And lol, Russia can't even take care of itself with Ukraine and have to ask NK and Iran for help, and you think they can help you in Taiwan..........

You don't have to rob it, but then you are telling me you are gonna rob it. So if you are gonna rob it, you don't use the gun at home??

The question is not what I would use to rob a bank, the question is WHY I need to rob a bank, everyone needs a reason to do something, it's not like since I have a gun at home, and I should go rob someone.

Dude, your logic is just weird.
 

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First of all, did I say "All" Coastal City?

Second of all, I replied your post immediately, so please do tell me your definition of "some"
Did I say ALL? You said you were going to cause 'major destruction' on the 'coastal cities', then you changed it to those facing Taiwan, which I pointed out there were 10 major cities. Your circle is getting so small, it is now certain targets in a city? How are you going to cause 'major destruction' if you are just attacking a few buildings.

You do know that "Cratering" is not the same as "Maximum Damage Radius" right??



Yes, a crater will be 20 meters wide, but I am pretty sure you are going to be dead if you are standing 25 meters away from where a 1000 pounder exploded.

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You see the crater here? Tell me is there destruction outside the crater?
READ the article i gave you, the crater is the size of destruction. What does your picture tell? It could have been multiple missiles? Could have been artillery mixed with missiles? Go search for a video on the Tomahawk missile then come back and talk. You also need to define damage? damage to what? Humans? Windows? Structures? Is the damage the same across the board? What about reinforced concrete vs mud houses? Are those mud houses or modern concrete structures? If you look at the pic, even the wall is still standing. LOL.


Do you know how Gaofen Satellite work?? In fact, do you know how any satellite work?

Do you know how cloud do with Satellite?

And you are talking about Spatial Satellite, which mean you can't jump orbit, so unless you are claiming it can scan the ENTIRE earth surface, what will happen if your target exited your range?? 34 Satellite Can't position itself on more than 6 planar movement, each planar need about 40. So you can't even saturated with 1 plane
Yah, Mr. AI, explain to me how it doesn't work. Do you even know how many satellites we have? Are you confusing recon sats to positioning sats? OOO, I can google satellites and all of a sudden I am a satellite expert? Just like how you google ballast tanks right? LOL. What the fck are you even talking about jumping orbit. Did I say the satellites were going to maneuver every time they wanna track?


Again, I am not talking about whether or not you can track something with Satellite. I can track a car if you tell me where it was with a IP and where it was going and also the description of a car, but if you want to have it real time, it cannot be done, you CAN'T PROVIDE REAL TIME Tracking with satellite, because for it to happen, you will need real time target acquisition and identification, which is currently impossible
Do you want me to repost your statement? Stop lying and then forgetting what you posted OK. Who tells you we can't have real time tracking? I just proved to you we did have real time tracking a F22. The issue is we don't track ONE F22, we track valuable targets like carriers. China has an AI system in 2008, that can scan hundreds of thousands of security camera in Beijing to identify a given face in 30 mins. That was 17 years ago. I saw it on a DISCOVRY CHANNEL.


I said I completed 2.5 years of computer engineering before I SWITCH TO commerce, this is what I said in the old forum

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If you did study in an Australian University (like you said you did get "Top Mark" in top Aussie University) You will know Computer Science without honour is a 3 years degree, where the first year is general program, if I did 2.5 years in Computer Engineering, I would get the damn degree........

Dude, you lied when you tell me you program but not react to the term "hack" and you don't even know how Aussie uni works and you claim you were there. And then you don't even show any proof of you being in one, and you are the one talk about lying?
Yah, you conveniently stopped a 2.5-year IT degree and 'changed' to commerce. You didn't drop out right? LOL. That's what my stupid room mate said too, he was in engineering and dropped out in 3rd year.

When did I said I got a top mark in an Australian Uni, I only had 75% average Distinction and partial scholarship. LOL. I wasn't even in CS program, I was in Electrical and Systems Engineering which was much harder, programming was just ONE aspect of my degree. Dumb kids who failed engineering go to IT, dumb kids who failed IT go to buscom. That was the rule. hahahahahah. I don't know what era you are from, we don't use the word HACK in my course. If you do, great for you.

Well, I am not the one that claim to be a nautical expert, then proceed to NOT KNOW wave will wash away anything you do. LOL. In my cousin word, it's like washing your car while it's raining outside.

LOL
Wave wash away everything? Dude, have you actually been offshore and sailed on a ship? LOL. You only have waves getting onboard during really bad weather. You paint on a bright and sunny day, it hardens within a day even in Northern Hemispheres. You also don't repaint the whole deck, you only paint the affected areas. Common sense mate.


LOL and I have told you Maersk resume Red Sea service when the Houthi thing wasn't sorted.

And you have no idea how MSC work......
Since when did I said they didn't? I am telling you they have their own risk assessment; they stopped sailing for a while and returned after getting the assessments done. Houthis are targeting US and UK military ships, if you are flagged in Bahamas, nobody cares. It is even better if you are flagged in China and is a COSCO ship. Houthis is a blockade capable navy now huh? LOL


And lol, During Iraq/Iran war, IRAN is the one enacting a blockade.......Not Iraq.........exactly how dumb are you?? I mean, if you don't know about history, just look at the Map, Iran can blockade Iraq from Hormuz trait. Iraq can't do the same as they are further instream

LOL.............
I was talking about the gulf war mate. You were talking about US supplying Iraq and Afghanistan amid a war as if they had been capable of blockades, and then you did a schizo 180 deg turn to Iran? Dude, please stay on course? LOL. The US had no problem supplying Iraq and Afghanistan because one Afghanistan is a landlocked country, LOL and Iraq only had ONE point of entry. Get it genius?


Umm......


And if you are too dumb to figure out what US is doing in the 70s, then I can't help you
I told you , US did not face a real war in the 70s. It was the oil crisis, not a War in Saudi Arabia. Ask why MAERSK is not shipping our of Ukraine now. LOL. The same won't happen to TAIWAN?


'In light of the most recent developments, Maersk can now confirm that we have identified merchant haulage and carrier haulage options to and from Ukraine via Poland or Romania.'

They tried after 2 years of war, and now it is back to ZERO mate. So you mean Taiwanese can starve for 2 years? HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

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This is current situation in the Black near coastal Ukraine, not a single GREEN commercial ship. RED ships are all Ukrainian flagged ships in danger of getting sunk. LOL. Even a weakened Russian Navy caused all major commercial ships to avoid this area. The only commercial traffic is going to Galati before getting transported to Ukraine.


Dude, this is not how insurance work........

Insurance work on risk, it means it really didn't matter if there is a war or not a war, or a police action going on, if the risk of the ship being damage, then there your premium goes up. And it wouldn't matter if you are Maresk or Cosco, as long as traffic is there and hostile action is there, the premium goes up. Especially you are talking about random missile attack. Because while you may not target some ship, but you will be going to hit it inadvertently.

Please don't repeat what I said like a parrot. No commercial ship will sail if there is a WAR going on. You can set up a CIA Express company and try transporting some stuff. But I can tell you 99% of the major lines will avoid a war zone. I am telling you based on facts, not your own 'expertise' in calculating risk by assuming a missile might miss? You think the actuaries will assume some missile will miss and take the risk to send in a ship laden with 400$ million dollars worth of goods? Fine let's assume ONE ship dares to send in supplies, what happens to the other 30 mil Taiwanese? One ship is able to feed ALL Taiwanese? For how long? What about employment? Industries? Coal and Gas? Do you know how many LNG unloading point Taiwan has? One scratch on the LNG tankers and the thing become a huge bomb, are they going to be as smart as you? The Red Sea is not a War Zone, the Houthis are targeting mainly US and UK Naval ships and those owned by Israelis. You think they can do a Naval blockade? Do they even have a Navy? Indonesian pirates routinely capture vessels in the Malacca Straits, so? Are they doing a Naval blockade? LOL

'The ship is owned by a Chinese company, according to the release. The Houthis previously said they would not attack any Chinese ships. It is possible it was a case of old information, as the South China Morning Post reported that the ship’s registered owner changed in February 2024.'



Did your mom know you farted?

And how will I know what DC Central mean? I ain't Navy. I mean does he know how to compress an Abrams engine. Again, I am not the one brag about how much I know ship because I build them, YOU ARE, and you know shit if you don't know what is DC Central.
I know ships because I build them, so if you don't know, ain't what you're saying sounded like fart? LOL. So tell me what is DC Central? LOL. Please tell me how to commission the ballast system? How to tune the ballasting valves? How to tune the level measurement system? OOO right, you googled 'ballast tanks'.LOL


Huh? This is not how guidance work.......It's not even how it work when I am pointing a Laser Det on a target directing a JDAM......

You do know first of all, there is a thing called "Maneuvering", then there is a thing called "Course Correction", and finally there is a thing called "Defensive Measure"

But of course if what you think is we are just going to stand there and let you shoot your mighty missile with, well, carry on then......
Yup DF21 needs 'laser guidance' to hit a carrier. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. FFS. Stop.

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Again, did all the defensive weapon, helicopter, radar on a burke class is just for show??



I have 4 cousins, and ALL MY family member who serve went into the Navy, I am the only Army guy.

And are you seriously asking why Nuclear Power Plant has fewer moving parts than diesel plant? Do you know what moving parts did to nuclear reactor?? Do you know how Chernobyl exploded? They drop the graphite rod into the reaction chamber and trigger a super reaction......I mean, I want to know how China builds their nuclear reactor, are you using piston and internal combustion to move the control rod?? LOL......
Yah and you think the ADs on coastal China is also just for show? Are those missiles on Chinese ships all for show? So can you cause 'major destruction' to coastal Chinese cities now? LOL


First of all, you NEVER blockade a port, that's the closest to the enemy. You blockade the strait lead to a port, show me one, ONE example when a country enacting a blockade actually and physically blockading a port. You are going to eat missile and mine like constantly coming from offshore.

Second of all, you can't control the sea if you are going sit with your missile, you don't have mean to monitor the traffic, you are literally going to watch the sea and hoping to intercept shipping as they come in, you have to position your ship in the area to stop those shipping, just based that on your missile range did nothing

This is NOT AT ALL how blockade work.

The Blockade of Confederate Ports​


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You were saying? You think our ships are going to sit next to port to blockade it? Blockade means denying a ship from entering a port, it can mean blockading near the port or an area safe enough to blockade. If the enemy has no means of attack, you can essentially occupy the port. The aim of a commercial blockade is always the port of entry. You don't put your ships in the South if you want to blockade the port in Keelung right? You put it somewhere near Keelung, with missile and radar coverage. You think we are stupid enough to park our ships 5km from the caost? It could be 50km to 100km away, within a vessel's combat range. Any commercial ships entering the area will be boarded or sunk. Even coast guards can play a role in blockades.




Dude, sending 1000 fishing boat to clear coastal defense is the same as sending 100s ship to Taiwan, only that's a even stupider move as those fishing ship don't provide any protection to your troop and by nature you are delivering your troop piecemeal, a long burst of 7.62 from a GPMG from 800-1500 yard away would have wipe out all the men in that fishing boat, let alone a combination of Small Arms, Mortar, RPG and recoilless fire.
WTF said using 1000 fishing boats to clear coastal defenses? I said transport troops after the coastal defenses had been cleared. These babies can essentially land anywhere along Taiwan, they are small and nimble. How do you think smugglers smuggle shit? I am telling you, there are many ways for unconventional warfare, you don't always need 3-4 large landing ships, you might use 1000 fishing boats, smuggling troops. Just saying.

And again, how are you going to do that? As I explained before, even if you can land them all, first, 25000 men can do jack, that side of the Taiwanese coast would have been defended by 5 different army group, that's 250,000 + men. Second of all, if you are using those vessels, you are going to get beached far from the shore. Not to mention putting 1000 fishing boat crossing the 120km strait into Taiwan, have you heard of the term "Sea States"? Alot of those fishing boat will be sunk before even reaching within 10nm of Taiwan.
25'000 troops assuming they can land safely can do a lot of SHIT mate. Imagine your cities and coastal area under constant bombardment and 25k soldiers landed. They can secure a few small town, villages even. They might even occupy a school or a field and use it for helicopter landings. Many ways to achieve different things mate. Again, I am telling you tracking small fishing boats aint easy, how do you think people smuggle stuff.


Even if you can get across and then what? Do you know how much supplies you are going to need to support those 25000 men? In Normady, a single soldier carry 31 kg of gear off ship, with supply runs into 1000s tons a day. How are you going to support that initial wave? Or are you going to just send them one off?

Well, this is unconventional alright. Unconventionally dumb.....
I am assuming each troops carry rations for a week. They can also secure extra food by occupying supermarkets and food stores. 25k soldiers can do a lot of shit when planned properly. How to support? More landings and more attacks? More supplies flown in? Taiwan is an island, once their air bases are destroyed, and their major defenses gone, you don't have a Poland or Romania to fly from.


I own a 31 ft fishing boat. It's one thing to have it tied up or moor at a pier or over the river, it's another when you load up with at least 5 tons of stuff and try to drag it over the beach. Which again, you will have to because that's how the coast end in Taiwan.
why 5 tons mate, think light infantry with ammunition and a weeks supply. You want them to land and occupy a nearby area asap, not drag 5 tons of supply. Once a foothold is establish you can send in the rest of air support etc.


Yes, but how do you flatten and destroy Taiwan ASM and AD? First, they are going to be in a prepared position, which mean you need to go inland and find it, second they do fight back, you can't just think you are going to overwhelm them with Air Power/Drone alone, this does not happen to Russia in Ukraine during the early stage in this war, and you think you have better chance on a more sophisticated and more prepared opponent? Dude, unlike Ukraine, Taiwan is prepping for it for over 50 years just in case the Chinese will invade. And they are a lot more capable than the Ukrainian.

1) Send in decoy drones (old mig convert), this is to exhaust their missiles and exposes their position. Anti-rad drones?
2) Cruise missiles and precision ammunition to destroy those positions. Stealth fighters/bombers come in to finish the rest, any leftover radar systems.
3) Massive MLRS, missile and drone attack on major air bases. If done right and in a surprise, most of their air force can be wiped out in that instance. Heavy bombardment with H-6 bombers/
4) Once 90% of their defenses are down, send in the unconventional landing forces to occupy key areas.
5) Naval blockades and bombardment of the coastal areas.
6) Under heavy bombardment, troops can start occupying some areas and ports. Special forces will also join in.
7) Last after clearance, major amphibious landings under cover of air support and coastal bombardment.

Some acts will happen concurrently.


You talk about "million" of sleeper agent in Taiwan and you talk about common sense??

I mean I used to do military intelligence; do you even know how hard it is to insert even 1 asset. 20% sympathiser may be closer to reality if push comes to shove, but those are sympathise to the clause not actually working for China.

If you do have 20% sleeper agent, you won't need to invade, they will turn over Taiwan to you already.

Can you please read, I said, do you think when I said 20% it was going to be a few million sleeper agents? Support means you can recruit from a pool easily. Gosh. OKOK, now you are MI. Why do you think DPP always say there is a fifth column in Taiwan. They are referring to the 20% One China supporters. They know we can recruit from this pool of people. Get it?
Since when did I say MLRS is not artillery? I said missile like ATACMS is not artillery.

Do you even know the definition of artillery? First of all, artillery HAS TO BE indirect fire. Even with PrGS round, you are aiming at an area, hence indirect fire, missile is a point-to-point active firing solution, you shoot a precision missile up and that missile is there to target something, like you aim your tank gun on a target, that's DIRECT FIRE.

You know jack shit about military term.......
Of course a missile is not an artillery, I was telling you DUH, obviously and MLRS is one.
 
Did I say ALL? You said you were going to cause 'major destruction' on the 'coastal cities', then you changed it to those facing Taiwan, which I pointed out there were 10 major cities. Your circle is getting so small, it is now certain targets in a city? How are you going to cause 'major destruction' if you are just attacking a few buildings.

Well, you said Guangdong, I said coastal cities, you want to think that far, that's you not me.


READ the article i gave you, the crater is the size of destruction. What does your picture tell? It could have been multiple missiles? Could have been artillery mixed with missiles? Go search for a video on the Tomahawk missile then come back and talk. You also need to define damage? damage to what? Humans? Windows? Structures? Is the damage the same across the board? What about reinforced concrete vs mud houses? Are those mud houses or modern concrete structures? If you look at the pic, even the wall is still standing. LOL.

Crater is NOT the total size of destruction; you have no idea how cratering work.

The initial blast created a crater, then the explosion exploded outward and upward, sending both shrapnel and concussion wave toward the damaging area.

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Both shrapnel and concussion wave damage an area, one is physical trauma, and the other is seismic trauma.

Both would damage a building.

Again, if you think a 1000 pounder only damage things within 20 meters, please stand 25 meters when one exploded.

Yah, Mr. AI, explain to me how it doesn't work. Do you even know how many satellites we have? Are you confusing recon sats to positioning sats? OOO, I can google satellites and all of a sudden I am a satellite expert? Just like how you google ballast tanks right? LOL. What the fck are you even talking about jumping orbit. Did I say the satellites were going to maneuver every time they wanna track?

First of all, there are no recon sat, no positioning sat, they can do both, if you can't, that would have been an issue, because that mean you can't transmit the coordinate of something.

Second of all, you need a target solution to put into a sat in order to move it, it does not automatically look at the target you want to look at, you need to maneuver that satellite into a position to cover the target, how are you going to get the initial targeting information? It can either be input by a person or have the satellite pick up the target by itself. If it was A, the lag time is whatever you need to identify the target, if it was B.) the lag time is whatever your satellite pick up the target and position itself to track said target.

Satellite move in a very high speed and very predictable orbit, unless the target you are tracking is going the same direction that orbit is going, otherwise you will need to jump orbit, which mean a manual correction of course of your satellite. It's a very simple concept, your target moves south and your satellite float north, then you can't catch that target, because it goes into the opposite direction of where your satellite is going. Geostationary Satellite can eliminate this problem, BUT you will need to have the target enter your monitoring zone, otherwise it won't work.

Jesus, you know absolutely shit about how satellite work, looking it up on google make you look like an idiot by talking shit that don't make sense.




Do you want me to repost your statement? Stop lying and then forgetting what you posted OK. Who tells you we can't have real time tracking? I just proved to you we did have real time tracking a F22. The issue is we don't track ONE F22, we track valuable targets like carriers. China has an AI system in 2008, that can scan hundreds of thousands of security camera in Beijing to identify a given face in 30 mins. That was 17 years ago. I saw it on a DISCOVRY CHANNEL.

Dude, you don't have real time tracking of F-22.

That video show you an unspecific time of that F-22 is flying, you lack the vector (Where that F-22 is going) to be able to track it real time. Meaning by the time that track showing a F-22, that F-22 is no longer in that same position, unless it's stationary

It's like an ATC, the reason why Air Traffic Control can keep track of any aircraft in the sky is because they report back their position in their radar via squawking. Which mean you know where that target is going. Otherwise, it's like a chasing the leader, you can't play chasing the leader without the leader tell you where he/she is going, how do you know where the F-22 is going next? And what if you lost track? Again, you are not shooting the missile at that moment that F-22 is on your screen, it's a few minutes behind, because that missile need time to travel from where fire it to where the F-22 are. You need the vector of that F-22 to do that. Otherwise it will just be constantly chasing the course it was 5 minutes (or however long) ago.

Yah, you conveniently stopped a 2.5-year IT degree and 'changed' to commerce. You didn't drop out right? LOL. That's what my stupid room mate said too, he was in engineering and dropped out in 3rd year.

I don't know what your room mate did or did not do, he can be playmate of the month for all I care

If you did that 2.5 years, that 2.5 years course stick, I mean, just because I change my major does not mean all the computer course does not count, they will still need to give me my diploma in computer science, granted, not the honour one I was going after.

Dude, you don't know how university works?

When did I said I got a top mark in an Australian Uni, I only had 75% average Distinction and partial scholarship. LOL. I wasn't even in CS program, I was in Electrical and Systems Engineering which was much harder, programming was just ONE aspect of my degree. Dumb kids who failed engineering go to IT, dumb kids who failed IT go to buscom. That was the rule. hahahahahah. I don't know what era you are from, we don't use the word HACK in my course. If you do, great for you.

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Yes, top mark my arse.


Wave wash away everything? Dude, have you actually been offshore and sailed on a ship? LOL. You only have waves getting onboard during really bad weather. You paint on a bright and sunny day, it hardens within a day even in Northern Hemispheres. You also don't repaint the whole deck, you only paint the affected areas. Common sense mate.

dude, if you ship, you know wave washes up everywhere and everytime, especially when you go outside contagious zone.

Within a day? I been on a cruiser with my cousin, It's lucky if you go 5n minutes without a wave washing up on your ship when you get to international water

This is on a good day in English Channel, not even high sea.

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Yes, common sense mate.

Since when did I said they didn't? I am telling you they have their own risk assessment; they stopped sailing for a while and returned after getting the assessments done. Houthis are targeting US and UK military ships, if you are flagged in Bahamas, nobody cares. It is even better if you are flagged in China and is a COSCO ship. Houthis is a blockade capable navy now huh? LOL

Dude, I am not the one that said, "If you are Chinese ship it's A-OK" and it appear you just answer that yourself.

Houthis won't radio ahead and as your crew to speak Chinese before they launch their missile.

I was talking about the gulf war mate. You were talking about US supplying Iraq and Afghanistan amid a war as if they had been capable of blockades, and then you did a schizo 180 deg turn to Iran? Dude, please stay on course? LOL. The US had no problem supplying Iraq and Afghanistan because one Afghanistan is a landlocked country, LOL and Iraq only had ONE point of entry. Get it genius?

I wasn't talking about Gulf War, I don't know why you want to talk about Gulf War. I been very clear that was from Iran/Iraq war.

I told you , US did not face a real war in the 70s. It was the oil crisis, not a War in Saudi Arabia. Ask why MAERSK is not shipping our of Ukraine now. LOL. The same won't happen to TAIWAN?


'In light of the most recent developments, Maersk can now confirm that we have identified merchant haulage and carrier haulage options to and from Ukraine via Poland or Romania.'

They tried after 2 years of war, and now it is back to ZERO mate. So you mean Taiwanese can starve for 2 years? HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

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This is current situation in the Black near coastal Ukraine, not a single GREEN commercial ship. RED ships are all Ukrainian flagged ships in danger of getting sunk. LOL. Even a weakened Russian Navy caused all major commercial ships to avoid this area. The only commercial traffic is going to Galati before getting transported to Ukraine.

Again, this is up to individual to go, and again, you say it like MSC is not a thing, as I said MSC will charter the ship to ship to Taiwan, and I even show you the MSC website saying they will do exactly so with their civilian crew (Not to Taiwan but general merchant marine)

And now it's almost 3 years, did Ukraine go strave?


Please don't repeat what I said like a parrot. No commercial ship will sail if there is a WAR going on. You can set up a CIA Express company and try transporting some stuff. But I can tell you 99% of the major lines will avoid a war zone. I am telling you based on facts, not your own 'expertise' in calculating risk by assuming a missile might miss? You think the actuaries will assume some missile will miss and take the risk to send in a ship laden with 400$ million dollars worth of goods? Fine let's assume ONE ship dares to send in supplies, what happens to the other 30 mil Taiwanese? One ship is able to feed ALL Taiwanese? For how long? What about employment? Industries? Coal and Gas? Do you know how many LNG unloading point Taiwan has? One scratch on the LNG tankers and the thing become a huge bomb, are they going to be as smart as you? The Red Sea is not a War Zone, the Houthis are targeting mainly US and UK Naval ships and those owned by Israelis. You think they can do a Naval blockade? Do they even have a Navy? Indonesian pirates routinely capture vessels in the Malacca Straits, so? Are they doing a Naval blockade? LOL

'The ship is owned by a Chinese company, according to the release. The Houthis previously said they would not attack any Chinese ships. It is possible it was a case of old information, as the South China Morning Post reported that the ship’s registered owner changed in February 2024.'

I literally just show you a Chinese ship is being attacked and they can't really tell who own what. I mean sure, if you fly a Chinese flag and it will be A-OK, how about everyship transit thru that strait fly a Chinese flag? So did the Houthis shoot no one then?

Common sense, mate, common sense.

I know ships because I build them, so if you don't know, ain't what you're saying sounded like fart? LOL. So tell me what is DC Central? LOL. Please tell me how to commission the ballast system? How to tune the ballasting valves? How to tune the level measurement system? OOO right, you googled 'ballast tanks'.LOL

Lol you know jack shit about ship like you know jack shit about AI Programming (again, Hack is a Aussie Programming Slang)

If you have to ask, you don't belong here.


Yup DF21 needs 'laser guidance' to hit a carrier. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. FFS. Stop.

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I said this is not how guidance work, I didn't say DF-21 is laser guidance. And do you know what is active radar??

GPS Nav Guide Mode only bring you to the general area. Again, by the time your missile got there, your target may no longer be there.

If that is the case, you can't work with active radar, because you can't ping your target.

This is ISTAR 101, which I doubt you know anything about.

Yah and you think the ADs on coastal China is also just for show? Are those missiles on Chinese ships all for show? So can you cause 'major destruction' to coastal Chinese cities now? LOL





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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You were saying? You think our ships are going to sit next to port to blockade it? Blockade means denying a ship from entering a port, it can mean blockading near the port or an area safe enough to blockade. If the enemy has no means of attack, you can essentially occupy the port. The aim of a commercial blockade is always the port of entry. You don't put your ships in the South if you want to blockade the port in Keelung right? You put it somewhere near Keelung, with missile and radar coverage. You think we are stupid enough to park our ships 5km from the caost? It could be 50km to 100km away, within a vessel's combat range. Any commercial ships entering the area will be boarded or sunk. Even coast guards can play a role in blockades.

Can you at least try to find naval battle that happen this century?

Back in 1865, the engagement distant is 300-500 yard (around 500 meters) which is how far those black gunpowder cannon can get, of course you need to sit right next to the port to do blockade, otherwise how are you even go engage people who run the blockade if you can only shoot 500 yards away.??

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I am talking about naval war in in 21st century

WTF said using 1000 fishing boats to clear coastal defenses? I said transport troops after the coastal defenses had been cleared. These babies can essentially land anywhere along Taiwan, they are small and nimble. How do you think smugglers smuggle shit? I am telling you, there are many ways for unconventional warfare, you don't always need 3-4 large landing ships, you might use 1000 fishing boats, smuggling troops. Just saying.


25'000 troops assuming they can land safely can do a lot of SHIT mate. Imagine your cities and coastal area under constant bombardment and 25k soldiers landed. They can secure a few small town, villages even. They might even occupy a school or a field and use it for helicopter landings. Many ways to achieve different things mate. Again, I am telling you tracking small fishing boats aint easy, how do you think people smuggle stuff.



I am assuming each troops carry rations for a week. They can also secure extra food by occupying supermarkets and food stores. 25k soldiers can do a lot of shit when planned properly. How to support? More landings and more attacks? More supplies flown in? Taiwan is an island, once their air bases are destroyed, and their major defenses gone, you don't have a Poland or Romania to fly from.



why 5 tons mate, think light infantry with ammunition and a weeks supply. You want them to land and occupy a nearby area asap, not drag 5 tons of supply. Once a foothold is establish you can send in the rest of air support etc.




1) Send in decoy drones (old mig convert), this is to exhaust their missiles and exposes their position. Anti-rad drones?
2) Cruise missiles and precision ammunition to destroy those positions. Stealth fighters/bombers come in to finish the rest, any leftover radar systems.
3) Massive MLRS, missile and drone attack on major air bases. If done right and in a surprise, most of their air force can be wiped out in that instance. Heavy bombardment with H-6 bombers/
4) Once 90% of their defenses are down, send in the unconventional landing forces to occupy key areas.
5) Naval blockades and bombardment of the coastal areas.
6) Under heavy bombardment, troops can start occupying some areas and ports. Special forces will also join in.
7) Last after clearance, major amphibious landings under cover of air support and coastal bombardment.

Some acts will happen concurrently.

Wow, again, I don't know where to start.

First of all, assuming them go on shore safely? The only way these people in fishing boat can go onshore safely is when you already had taken the coast, if so, WTF is these people for? Unless you try to up armored your fishing boat, thin tin layer of sheet steel can't stop a M240 firing 7.62 at 2800 to 3000 ft/s. Let alone a 12.5mm machine gun, let alone a AT-4 launcher, let alone a M81 mortar. If you have a Taiwanese soldier armed with a M240 at the board side of where your fishing boat land, it's not going to be safe. And lol, how fishing boat smuggle stuff? Dude, do you even know how heavy is a box of ammo? 200 rounds of 5.56 (Standard load out for an individual soldier, which will last you about 2 hours in firefight) with box is about 13 kg, with mag is about 10. 25 soldier per boat that ammo alone is 250kg, double it and you can last for4 hours for half a tons, just small arms ammo along, and then you have 25 men. your weapon, gear, pack, and you are adding individual drone on them, yeah, good luck on that trip.

Second of all, your plan depends on that 25000 troop make inroad, what if they didn't again, even if you are lucky enough to pull all 25000 troop on shore, you are talking about general engagement that is not going to last for 2 hours, let alone days and week, the first log pack have to be distributed within 2 hours, which is how long it takes to expand all 200 rounds they carried. Otherwise your men run dry, and you have to resupply them every 2 hours or whenever they need in order to make progress. And lol, occupy local supermarket? I am pretty sure these supermarket will roll out their red carpet to welcome the Chinese troop, given if they can get that far. Dude, those store would have been loot clean before you even start your op. You don't teleport to Taiwanese coast, the moment you went feet wet, they would have redistributed all the resource.

Thirdly, sure, fly them in, set aside whether or not you can deal with ALL Taiwanese AD to make that trip safe. Otherwise Y-20 against Patriot or even stinger, well, I don't think the odds are good. Even if you can completely pacified Taiwanese AD, let's just pretend you did, do you not think The Taiwanese would crater their own runway and make it impossible to used by the Chinese? That sound extremely familiar. Wait a minute, that's what the Ukrainian done in Hostomel......And instead of you are looking a land base armour thrust to secure Hostomel, you are looking at light infantry action trying to secure those airport before the Taiwanese dump it, I mean what could possibly go wrong?

1.) Do you think you have more old Mig or Taiwanese have more air defence missile?
2.) Oh, yes, cruise missile for the win, name me one war that you can actually destroy enemy air defence with cruise missile, this is not even being done by the American during Operation Iraqi Freedom. You know how I know? Well, I was there.
3.) well, you just missed something called Alert 5 and Ready 5 system, what if the air force already airborne? And lol, MLRS on a airfield?? With what? 30kg explosive charge? What kind of damage you think it will do?
4.) Yeah, of course you don't need to land to finish 90% of Taiwanese AD. Well, sure, whatever.....
5.) Yeah, of course, you have 3 fleet, and you think you can blockade an island about 40000 sq kilometers 24/7....,
6.) Haha, sure, that's how special force work. Using a lightly equipped, highly specialised force to occupy port and some area. I mean what can possibly go wrong?
7.) So you are saying all these are done before the main event?? Why not just say "Shoot missile, land troop, secure island.....job done instead.,"

Can you please read, I said, do you think when I said 20% it was going to be a few million sleeper agents? Support means you can recruit from a pool easily. Gosh. OKOK, now you are MI. Why do you think DPP always say there is a fifth column in Taiwan. They are referring to the 20% One China supporters. They know we can recruit from this pool of people. Get it?

First of all, if 20% of Taiwanese support One China and as you said before unification supporters, DPP won't get elected at all. You are talking about 20% of the entire population swing, not just 20% of voter

Second of all, supporting unification does not mean they will do jack for China. Again, if you really have 20% of Taiwanese working for you, there won't be a war.


Of course a missile is not an artillery, I was telling you DUH, obviously and MLRS is one.
Again, MLRS rocket don't do 400km. You are talking about ATACMS type missile, that's not artillery.
 
Do you know how long it takes to train a fighter pilot in 1939? And in 2019?

It takes 9 months to train a fighter pilot back in WW2, it takes more than 3 years to train one now, plane and ship back then is different than what we had now, especially if we are talking about complicated stuff like nuclear power aircraft carrier or submarine, I mean do you really want a tech that "hurried" thru the training to put in charge of nuclear vessel?

Even if we are talking about tanks, it used to be 4 weeks to drive a Sheman tank, it's 13 weeks basic training, + 10 weeks AACT + 13-16 weeks position related training (Gunner, Loader, Repairman) or 30 weeks if you are talking about Tank commander.

And are you serious promoting soldier to officer?? Well, good luck on that. Those people are enlisted for a reason, you promote someone that him/herself is not qualified for the job and ask them to train people? Well, I can see how this end well.

And then how are you going to deal with the equipment you train with? For every fighter pilot you train you need 3 aircraft to train it, you need a prop plane, a jet trainer and a conversion trainer to train a pilot, and they have to be able to get on it, it doesn't matter how much you can taught on paper, it wouldn't do shit if you don't have air time, so are you going to build 3000 more aircraft just to train 1000 more pilot?
Why do you think the jest which were mostly mechanical and needed lot of physical strength, visual acuity, complex mechanical instruments etc needed less time to train than current advanced jets? The only reason there is higher training time now is because it is peace time and militaries want slow career progression to manage pyramid structure and salaries. It is not because people can't be trained faster. Same goes with tanks and other equipments.
As for nuclear submarines, wars will see large scale construction of diesel submarines, not nuclear ones as diesel ones are safer and easier to scale than nuclear ones. Also, most of the submarines will be attack submarines which are better in SSK than SSN.
About requiremeent of trainer jets, why do you think it will be problematic to build simple trainer jets? In WW2, jets were built to the tune of 100k per year in USA in 1944. Do you think building a few thousand trainers will be a problem? Also, with fast paced training, the number of jets needed per pilot will be significantly reduced.
Well, Ukraine don't have resource to build anything either, how long does it take for Russia to try to take it? 3 years now, the objective goes from 3 days to Kyiv to 4 months to cut off Ukraine coast, to 3 years now trying to take Donbas........

And you are talking about an advance economy with money to spend and R&D to match, and a military on high alert and you think the Chinese can just walk over Taiwan? LOL.........

It doesn't really matter how much Chinese industrial capacity overwhelm Taiwan, American Industrial output overwhelm the Taliban, see how that one goes? And to think otherwise is the actual fantasy. You may as well think Taiwan will just not gonna fight and give up if thought is what's count
Russia is not attacking Ukraine in an all out manner. Russia is not even using its airforce except for CAS aircrafts like Su24 and helicopters. Zelensky's videos are proof that Kiev is standing almost fully intact which wouldn't be the case if Russia was intending to conquer Ukraine quickly.

Also, about Taiwan, it is a US colony with majority of the people Han Chinese and some christian converts (converted by USA). It doesn't have any resource of its own and its people don't have the will to fight China who are of same ethnicity. The only fight will be from USA agents and christian converts which will mean nothing in an all out war scenario.
 
Why do you think the jest which were mostly mechanical and needed lot of physical strength, visual acuity, complex mechanical instruments etc needed less time to train than current advanced jets? The only reason there is higher training time now is because it is peace time and militaries want slow career progression to manage pyramid structure and salaries. It is not because people can't be trained faster. Same goes with tanks and other equipments.
As for nuclear submarines, wars will see large scale construction of diesel submarines, not nuclear ones as diesel ones are safer and easier to scale than nuclear ones. Also, most of the submarines will be attack submarines which are better in SSK than SSN.
About requiremeent of trainer jets, why do you think it will be problematic to build simple trainer jets? In WW2, jets were built to the tune of 100k per year in USA in 1944. Do you think building a few thousand trainers will be a problem? Also, with fast paced training, the number of jets needed per pilot will be significantly reduced.

Huh?? Do you know how different is the jet we are using now and the prop plane we got from WW2?

You only need to know the principle of flight to pilot a prop plane, because this is what it is, you know how to start the engine, read the gauge (Instrument Flight Rule), how to navigate from one point to another (Visual Flight Rule), the basic of combat tactics, virtually is the same as a PPL today minus the combat tactics, because I can fly a P-51 mustang myself because I have a PPL with turbo prop certification and IFR Rules. That's around 4 months

Modern Jet have a lot of things to consider, you will need to know not only all the previous stuff, but also fluid mechanic, jet certification, avionics, flight computer programming, propulsion management and so on. And each element alone takes a few months to learn, and then take hundred of flight hours to perfect the skill. I can send you the Avionic textbook I used to qualify for Jet Certification after my PPL, that topic alone is a 8 months course, and the textbook is 500 pages, and you need to learn every single page

They aren't training today pilot slower because it's peace time, it's because aircraft now is a lot more complicated than aircraft before.

And lol are you seriously comparing building Prop plane Trainer Like Douglas A-33 back in the days with today Jet Trainer like the T-8 Texan? Even WW2 the US didn't build 100k planes, they had around 30K of all sort of plane throughout the entire 4 years war, building 1000 jet trainer ON TOP OF the equipment they are building is a lot of effort
Russia is not attacking Ukraine in an all out manner. Russia is not even using its airforce except for CAS aircrafts like Su24 and helicopters. Zelensky's videos are proof that Kiev is standing almost fully intact which wouldn't be the case if Russia was intending to conquer Ukraine quickly.

Also, about Taiwan, it is a US colony with majority of the people Han Chinese and some christian converts (converted by USA). It doesn't have any resource of its own and its people don't have the will to fight China who are of same ethnicity. The only fight will be from USA agents and christian converts which will mean nothing in an all out war scenario.
Huh?? You do know Taiwan have a lot more advance tech than Ukraine, right?? And a lot richer? Which would also translate to more resource.

And sure, if your answer is they won't fight then, I mean, if they won't fight, there will be no war to begin with.......Also, Chinese/Taiwanese relationship is very close to Russian/Ukrainian relationship. I mean at least the latter fought tooth and nail, it would be naive to based that on the assumption that they won't fight....
 
I mean at least the latter fought tooth and nail, it would be naive to based that on the assumption that they won't fight....
Some may fight, most won't, cause very few Taiwanese believe there's a fighting chance for them. CCP beat KMT very fast during the first Chinese civil war.

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Some may fight, most won't, cause very few Taiwanese believe there's a fighting chance for them. CCP beat KMT very fast during the first Chinese civil war.

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You can believe whatever you want, I mean you can even believe DPP will just hand China Taiwan and expel the US when China started threatening to use force and collapse like Ashraf Ghani.

Just that Russia believes the same thing that you believe in, some people might fight when Russian rolled tank down in the street of Ukraine most other will just welcome them with their arms open, I am pretty sure if you ask anyone in Ukraine in 2021 they probably will say they won't have a chance against Russia, but then here we are, 3 years later, things don't really go well for the Russian.
 
Taiwan's official name is Republic of China, Ukraine is a country, it's different from Russians, both people in taiwan , Hong kong, Beijing, Shanghai are predominantly Han Chinese. Why you kept bringing Ukraine and Russia war to this discussion?
Again, you can go believe what you want to believe. I am not stopping you, just that don't come back to me when you receive your draft notice and they ask you to fight in Taiwan lol.
 

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