US will run out of missiles in war with China, lose the conflict, warns Congressional wargame

"Let's wait for what"? You think the time is on US side or China's side? for another 10 or 20 years, do you believe US will be in a better position than it is now comparing to China?
Hi,

You have not killed any of your enemies---.

You have not created any enemies for the sake of murdering them---.

You have yet to declare a religion an enemy religion and declared to murder them as justifiable---.

You have not reached out and murdered these self created enemies---.

you have not killed their innocent children---women---girls---boys---old men just for the thrill of it---.

You have not used religion to justify the killing of innocent enemies just because your pilots did not want to land with HOT ammo---.

You have yet to murder over 10 million muslims within 23 years---decimated the land resources of 5 muslim nations and still blame the muslims for the atrocities---.

Beijing---america is a well oiled killing machine---.

Forget about men and women---you won;t be able to kill 10 million buffaloes just for their hide and throw the meat away----you won't be able to kill a 100000 even---.

The american murdered over 80 million buffaloes---for what---to starve the american indians---.

Son---you have no concept how big a monster the USA is---maybe 10 times worst than the invading MONGOLS---.
 
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When was the last time Chinos fought anyone? Yu people are nothing but paper tigers like the Russians. Your military is only good for media/propaganda like parades and exercises. Chino military branches don't fight as a unit... they have no combine arms capability and no Joint-Command capability. US will easily exploit this HUGE weakness with total control of EM spectrum and battle space picture.

-Over the past 5 years, China has undertaken radical reform of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). This modification is sweeping in its scope (encompassing changes to strategy, force structure, and technology) and clear in its purpose to create, in the words of Xi Jinping, a joint force that can “fight and win.”1 If this reform succeeds, China’s regional neighbors and the United States could find that the People’s Republic, whose leadership is already demonstrating an increased assertiveness, will be emboldened further still. Successful reform is not assured—indeed, many of China’s previous attempts at military transformation have failed—but Xi does wield near-unprecedented power to force change. It is therefore prudent to assume this reform will succeed and understand both its consequences and how best to respond.

This article analyzes PLA reforms and identifies vulnerabilities in China’s new joint force. The first section analyzes the changes to the Central Military Commission (CMC), the highest level of the PLA, set in the context of China’s model of national decisionmaking and civil-military relations. The second section considers the restructuring of the PLA, focusing particularly on its new Strategic Support Force (SSF) and revised theater-level organization. The third section explores the measures that could disrupt and defeat this new joint force via targeting the vulnerabilities identified in sections one and two.

The article anticipates that four key vulnerabilities will exist within the reformed PLA. First, the joint force will embrace a model of highly centralized decisionmaking, which could prove ill-suited to the demands of major combat operations. Second, the reformed PLA force will struggle to integrate multidomain operations at the joint theater level. Third, the reformed PLA will lack the capabilities to project, sustain, or command its forces across the spread of China’s global interests. And last, the PLA is currently hindered by a lack of meaningful operational experience.

READ THE ARTICLE to understand.

The problem with people like Yu is you think like a noob a kind of childlike mentality Chino fanboys suffer from. You see propaganda of many new ships, fighters, stealth fighters, missiles, etc etc etc... and logic goes out the window with Yu folks. When people try to tell Yu this kind of sht Yu people dismiss it as if you're mental and start yapping Chyna stronk blah blah this, blah blah that.

Yu people (PLA) lack so much when it comes to a kinetic confrontation with a superpower under high-tech conditions. Yu have no idea how important it is to have allies with advance militaries of their own. US and its allies can have combat exercises using their full EM spectrum against each other unlike PLA and Russian military. When PLA and Russia have combat exercise they don't go all out when it comes to the EM realm because they don't want to give their EM secrets away like electronic frequences, that is not case for US and majority of its allies.

It took years and years to get US military branches to fight as one it is going to be more difficult for PLA because each commander of PLA branches are their own little dictators that are high ranking members of the CCP and got their position not on merit but on who they know. One branch commander can tell another branch commander to piss off and Xi needs to them to be happy since Xi needs them to keep him in power.

I'll leave you with this... Last time PLA went to war was in 1989 against unarmed civilians yet PLA still took a lot of casualties.

The only problem with your theory is, if anything, Russia-Ukraine war also exposed a fact that actually everyone, could be include you, may already known for a long time: the military power of NATO, or rather the lack of it, is a cruel joke.

We all know its in your best interests to NOT have a war with China, you will lose very badly in a conventional war, sure you can resort to nuke, but China also has lots nuke and expanding our ICBM at typical China speed.

So save your effects, nobody, include you yourself, buy your nonsense:
 

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The only problem with your theory is, if anything, Russia-Ukraine war also exposed a fact that actually everyone, could be include you, may already known for a long time: the military power of NATO, or rather the lack of it, is a cruel joke.

We all know its in your best interests to NOT have a war with China, you will lose very badly in a conventional war, sure you can resort to nuke, but China also has lots nuke and expanding our ICBM at typical China speed.

So save your effects, nobody, include you yourself, buy your nonsense:
Lol. "NATO" or US has been donating their cold war era weapon systems and in small quantities so nothing has been learned by Yu people.

I get Yu being a celestial have what could be diagnosed as chinese syndrome or better known as inferiority complex. Get over it. Yu people have no issue when western media boast about chinese threat and their weapon systems including opinions from US officials but the moment a real diagnosis is made of the PLA's true capability, and it doesn't look good, Yu peple/fanboys go batsht crazy. Here's another reality check for yu and PLA fanboys....

The PLA’s Weak Backbone: Is China Struggling to Professionalize its Noncommissioned Officer Corps?​


-Steven Biddle’s 2004 work, Military Power, offers one of the most comprehensive and convincing explanations of modern military effectiveness. His argument, that a “modern system of force employment” emerged during and following World War I to improve troop effectiveness and survivability in the face of overwhelming and lethal firepower, is both logical and historically sound. The system, “focused on reducing exposure to hostile fire and enabling friendly movement while slowing the enemy’s.” While conceptually intuitive, Biddle reiterates throughout the work that although most states accept and attempt to implement the modern system, few do so effectively. Reasons for the wide variance in implementation of the modern system include domestic political and budgetary considerations, but perhaps no factor has a greater bearing than the efficacy of a state’s noncommissioned officer (NCO) corps. At the tactical level, the modern system requires that ground forces master a series of tasks to, “survive the hail of metal long enough to perform meaningful military missions.” These tasks—which include cover, concealment, dispersion, small-unit independent maneuver, and suppression—are ideally suited to execution by NCOs. In the absence of competent and empowered NCOs, these responsibilities fall to junior commissioned officers who often lack the experience, span of control, and intellectual bandwidth to effectively implement them.

China’s campaign to modernize its military over the past twenty years is exceptional in both scope and rapidity. At the Chinese Communist Party’s Nineteenth Party Congress in 2017, President Xi Jinping famously committed to transforming the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) into “world-class forces” by 2049. Western military experience suggests that the PLA’s ability to achieve this aspiration is contingent, in no small part, on its ability to professionalize its NCO corps. The PLA Army (PLAA) has, through a series of measures over the course of decades, sought to professionalize its NCOs. It remains to be seen whether the PLAA’s efforts bolster its ability to implement the modern system, and thereby support the goal of achieving “world-class” status.

The PLA Army NCO Corps

The PLA “Interim Regulations for Sergeants,” issued on March 31, 2022, establishes two important facts about the structure of the PLA NCO corps. The first is that the PLA recognizes two categories of NCOs: management and skilled. These categories define the scope of NCOs’ responsibilities, but also their training and professional advancement requirements. Second, there are three distinct paths to become an NCO in the PLA. Under the most traditional path, NCOs are selected from the pool of conscripts who volunteer for continued service at the end of their two years of mandatory service. Once accepted, applicants undergo specialty-specific NCO training that lasts six to twelve months. A second path to NCO leadership involves an “NCO-cadet” or “targeted training NCO” program. This model involves recruitment of high school graduates with demonstrated technical aptitude for a three-year NCO training pipeline. Over the course of three years, an NCO cadet receives approximately two and a half years of technical training and six months of military field training. The final path is known as the “direct recruit NCO” model, recruiting civilians with bachelor’s degrees into technical fields as corporals. The second and third models are used to build technical expertise within the force, particularly in fields such as information technology, engineering, and data science. This influx of specialists mitigates a deeply held concern within the PLA that it lacks the human capital to operate the increasingly sophisticated technology that will be critical to winning under the “informationized warfare” conditions China’s leaders expect. It appears that NCOs in tactical leadership roles ascend almost exclusively through the first model, and they are typically assigned first as deputy squad leaders. Technical NCOs are more likely to go through the latter models and assume roles as technical specialists and leaders of small sections.

Self-Assessment

The current trajectory of the PLAA NCO corps is one of increasing professionalization, trust, and importance. Despite that, statements by senior PLA and government leaders indicate that they are not satisfied with the progress. In his excellent 2018 essay, “Breaking the Paradigm: Drivers Behind the PLA’s Current Period of Reform,” David Finkelstein points to a surprising volume of statements from senior officials, Xi included, that suggest that the PLA is not fit to execute the missions envisioned by the party. Statements like these and repeated reference to the “five incapables” suggest that the state of PLA personnel is insufficient for the conduct of the types of operations envisioned by senior leaders.

Personnel Management

The PLA’s system of personnel management appears to be at odds with its efforts to build a professional NCO corps due to low retention of quality personnel and inadequate professional development. Retention rates for PLA enlisted personnel are largely unavailable, but there is evidence that the PLA recognizes that they are not retaining talented personnel beyond the initial period of conscription. Chinese media reports suggest that college students and graduates are particularly unlikely to reenlist. Further, this reporting found that benefits, such as hiring preferences for veterans, induce many service members to leave the service. It appears likely, therefore, that PLA NCOs are not drawn from the top performers of the conscript force, but from those who have few civilian career prospects.

The PLA’s current personnel system also does not appear to place emphasis on experience as a prerequisite for NCO leadership. In the case of those PLA NCOs in technical fields that earn their corporal’s stripes through the “targeted training NCO” or “direct recruit NCO” programs, they likely assume their responsibilities with no military experience outside of their initial (basic) training. Even accepting that the PLA assigns these NCOs to technical duties without significant leadership responsibilities, the experience deficit described above is stark. While there is significant variance in US Army enlisted career timelines, new US Army NCOs likely have nearly twice as much experience as their former-conscript PLAA counterparts. Most new NCOs in PLAA combat arms roles have only eighteen months of on-the-job experience and approximately a year of schoolhouse instruction. Given the annual cycles of conscription and collective training progressions, a new PLAA corporal has likely only experienced a single iteration of that training cycle. To put a finer point on the issue, newly minted deputy squad leaders may have previously participated in a single squad live-fire event with their units, which they are now expected to help lead. A rough comparison between promotion timelines for PLA “intermediate-grade NCOs”—using the figures provided in a November 2022 report prepared for the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission—and average promotion timelines for their US counterparts suggests that the PLA soldiers possess approximately three years less experience.

Professional Education and Training

The quality of training and availability of professional education for PLAA NCOs are additional hurdles to professionalization. Quality training at the small-unit level is primarily hampered by the semiannual conscription cycle. Currently, PLA conscripts serve for a period of two years, and new conscripts are inducted into the service twice a year. The first six months of conscripts’ service are spent in basic training, rendering them unavailable for unit training. If the new conscripts are allocated evenly, tactical units receive a new batch of conscripts every six months. According to a report by the Jamestown Foundation, conscripts may require up to six months of additional on-the-job training before they are sufficiently proficient to contribute to collective tasks. Thus, under ideal conditions, 50–75 percent of the authorized troops in any unit are competent in collective tasks and, for six months of the year, units are manned at only 75 percent. To further illustrate the difficulty of this system, picture a standard nine-man Chinese infantry squad. From April to June, the squad leader can count on being assigned seven soldiers, of whom only five are competent in squad drills and maneuver. At this point even a single soldier injured, assigned to a special detail, going on leave, or attending a military school drastically undermines the ability of the squad to operate.

Access to professional military education for NCOs is a deficiency that the PLA has sought to address in recent years. As previously mentioned, before assuming their responsibilities, prospective management NCOs attend six to twelve months of leadership and specialty-specific training. Promotion to higher NCO ranks carries requirements for additional schoolhouse training, typically lasting one to five months depending on the individual’s grade and specialty. Before promotion to the intermediate-grade NCO rank of sergeant second class, Chinese troops must earn at least the equivalent of an associate degree in a technical field. An additional requirement imposed in 2009 stipulates that NCOs earn technical certifications in subjects such as weapon repair and equipment maintenance. These two requirements reinforce the supposition that PLA leaders are concerned with the development of sufficient subject matter expertise within the ranks to operate increasingly sophisticated weapons, sensors, and other equipment. NCOs, as the long-serving and technically oriented backbone of the PLA, are ideally suited to fill this role. Based on recent cuts to the PLA education system, questions remain regarding the PLA’s capacity to provide training to the hundreds of thousands of NCOs ascending through the ranks. Further, technical training (to say nothing of political training) appears to be a higher priority than leadership training for PLA NCOs.

Parochialism and Centralized Command

A final hurdle facing optimization of the PLAA NCO corps, and one that is unlikely to be solved by bureaucratic means, is that of parochialism. In short, Chinese NCOs lack the respect and stature of their Western counterparts. This is likely the case for two separate but related reasons. First, the history of a professional NCO corps in the PLA is quite short, and its rise has come at the expense of the commissioned officer corps. Since the late 1990s, but especially in the era of Xi’s sweeping reforms, the PLAA has shifted from an officer-heavy formation to one that increasingly relies on sergeants. As documented in a 2019 volume published by the National Defense University Press, Chairman Xi Remakes the PLA, the Chinese military force reductions eliminated over thirty percent of the commissioned officer corps, with NCOs absorbing many of the responsibilities once performed by junior officers. Some career officers may resent the perception that their stock has fallen, while that of newly empowered and professionalized NCOs has risen.

Second, socioeconomic disparities between officers and enlisted are exacerbated by the issue of party membership, presenting obstacles to mutual trust and candor. Party membership has been extended to some NCOs, apparently based on quotas, but as Dennis J. Blasko and Marcus Clay have described, NCOs wield limited influence within PLA party committees. Given the reticence of the Chinese Communist Party to allow more than token NCO membership, and the seeming antipathy that superiors have for NCOs within the party, it appears that the party’s effect is not one of cohesion. Social divides between officer and enlisted ranks persist within the PLA and are amplified by unequal access to party membership and authority. These tensions may prevent the proliferation of an effective NCO-officer relationship.

This is not good for celestial military if its going to get into a conflict with a competent modern military like Taiwan let alone the US. Yu can have all the shiny weapons but all that doesn't matter if you can't fight as a whole unit while at the same time depending on orders from centralized leadership. The first targets US loves to hit is the enemies ability to communicate with each other and when a military is centralized like the PLA once air force and naval HQ is coms are cut off they become easy targets for destruction or exploitation.

Unlike PLA, during war, the US can lose the Pentagon and US military won't get phased by the loss and will keep fighting without losing capability.
 
the cornerstone of MAD doctrine is the invisibility of SSBN submarines.

That's the only guarantee for deterrence in a nuclear war (all other kind of facilities/long range weapons can be destroyed in a first strike)

But if someone some world power develop a army of underwater drone and improve SOSUS doctrine to locate all foes submarines, then... MAD doctrine will be over.


Remember MH370 flight disappearance was a few later than China unveiled a improvement of his SOSUS network.

And MH370 search was useful for USA to search in the ocean for elements of Chinese SOSUS.

Know the position of enemies SSBN it means that a nuclear world war can be won.
 
The only problem with your theory is, if anything, Russia-Ukraine war also exposed a fact that actually everyone, could be include you, may already known for a long time: the military power of NATO, or rather the lack of it, is a cruel joke.

We all know its in your best interests to NOT have a war with China, you will lose very badly in a conventional war, sure you can resort to nuke, but China also has lots nuke and expanding our ICBM at typical China speed.

So save your effects, nobody, include you yourself, buy your nonsense:

Don’t know what war you’ve been watching, but American/NATO equipment have annihilated the Russians.

700,000 dead and wounded Russians, nearly 20,000 equipment losses. Black Sea Fleet won’t even operate near Ukraine anymore it’s been so degraded. Russian Air Force still can’t gain air superiority.

The Patriot battery in Kyiv has downed hundreds of missiles and still operational today. In fact, it’s been so successful Zelensky wants another 12 Patriot batteries.

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Hi,

Beijinwalker---waiting for your reply---.
You are projecting your Muslim weak thinking on China which is an actual Industrial Power unlike Muslim countries which have no Industrial Superpowers in the modern era.
 
Don’t know what war you’ve been watching, but American/NATO equipment have annihilated the Russians.

700,000 dead and wounded Russians, nearly 20,000 equipment losses. Black Sea Fleet won’t even operate near Ukraine anymore it’s been so degraded. Russian Air Force still can’t gain air superiority.

The Patriot battery in Kyiv has downed hundreds of missiles and still operational today. In fact, it’s been so successful Zelensky wants another 12 Patriot batteries.

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That was then.

Now is different, because the newly deployed Oreshnik is so fast no Patriots can shoot down 6-12 MIRVed Oreshnik Conventional Warheads.

Just 200 Oreshniks will be enough to make srap metal of Patriot batteries, HiMars and other AmeriKKKan-supplied equipment, and still have more to devastate Ukraine's entire warfighting ability.
 
You are projecting your Muslim weak thinking on China which is an actual Industrial Power unlike Muslim countries which have no Industrial Superpowers in the modern era.
Hi,

Please---have courage---kindly answer the original post in its context---that you responded to---.

China is only an industrial power till the USA allows it to be during a war---.

Americans have planted programmed hatred against the chinese / muslims that it wants to destroy in an extremely systematic manner amongst its weapons carrying americans---.

Non gun owning americans do not count---.
 
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Chinese army fought US twice in the past 70 years in Korea and Vietnam, and our industrial complexes are still here and get stronger each passing year.
When was the last time china fought anyone?

Their power right now is theoretical given the time gap and evolutions

The USA is more war hardened and experienced

So suddenly china can acquire these important intangibles
 
When was the last time china fought anyone?

Their power right now is theoretical given the time gap and evolutions

The USA is more war hardened and experienced

So suddenly china can acquire these important intangibles
U ever heard of "Do not involve yourself in a war in which you gain nothing from winning"

Conflict that doesn't end with you gaining something is a net loss regardless of who the opponent is.
We are not in the cold war anymore, china doesn't have to fight or fund proxies to get its way.
We all know a war with the US is bound to go nuclear. Both sides don't want to take the risk it's not a zero sum game maybe to the US but they are not stupid enough to start a war with China. If so they would've done it already lol
 
U ever heard of "Do not involve yourself in a war in which you gain nothing from winning"

Conflict that doesn't end with you gaining something is a net loss regardless of who the opponent is.
We are not in the cold war anymore, china doesn't have to fight or fund proxies to get its way.
We all know a war with the US is bound to go nuclear. Both sides don't want to take the risk it's not a zero sum game maybe to the US but they are not stupid enough to start a war with China. If so they would've done it already lol


You clearly get triggered by stating basic truths about what china have actually done militarily for the last 4 decades, hence you leap into explaining them away

I didn't ask for an explanation
 
You clearly get triggered by stating basic truths about what china have actually done militarily for the last 4 decades, hence you leap into explaining them away

I didn't ask for an explanation
Good why should china go to war over your own little fantasy u are nothing but a dreamy boy who thinks china will replace the US as another lunatic hegemon. Get a grip. The world doesn't revolve around wars. China has 1.4 billion people to feed. U wanna fight war so much then go to war with India. What's stopping you sheesh. China is true to its word ever since the establishment of non interference policy in the 80s and lets keep it that way. China has no one to rely on except itself. So better to build up it's national power and military than to waste money others like Iran and Russia did with Assad. All gone to waste!
 

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