Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[Khansaheeb]

I agree with you. As far as "Arabs" goes as a collective, I have written many times that as long as we are divided into 20 + nation states spanning a geography the size of Russia from the Atlantic Ocean to the Arabian/Indian Ocean and with 20 + regimes (mostly bad ones, lol) with 20 + different policies, opinions, agendas, internal rivalry, I don't have much hope of any big status quo changes. Unfortunately. As this is much needed. Even a free and independent Palestine on its own would amount to little in terms of changing status quo. Only unity can cause seismic changes. Now enlarge that thinking to the larger Muslim world as well.

Step one, dismantle the Monarchies, step introduce real democracy.

 

[_Arabia_]

There are lots of highly qualified Syrians all over the world who can return to rebuild the country. Al-Saud need to shaken down for some petro-dollars.

This is off-topic but since you mentioned petrodollars (KSA and Arabs have no reason to apologize for our natural riches, we did not steal them from anyone unlike many countries - no names mentioned (looking at the US and Russia), nowadays less than 50% of KSA's income derives from oil, gas and natural resources (mineral wealth etc.). Even though KSA is the 3 richest country in the world in terms of resources (after Russia and USA) this change has only been possible due to brave and at first very unpopular policies by MbS and the new much more dynamic regime in charge. Pakistan is sorely missing such people in the military and political sphere that can shake Pakistan up and change it for the better.

As for Syrians being talented, I can confirm this as well. So I have little worries about them "making it". The bigger worry is what the hell the US/Israel will conjure up. This is the biggest threat for Syrians.

I told you guys that there would not be any mass-killings of Christians, Alawites, minorities etc. It was all scare-mongering tactics from frustrated Al-Assad regime supporters based in the West (SyrianGirl or what here name is, that Armenian Syrian troll Kavork something) and many others who all ironically live in the West while being massive Al-Assad fanboys.

 

[Lulldapull]

I agree with you. As far as "Arabs" goes as a collective, I have written many times that as long as we are divided into 20 + nation states spanning a geography the size of Russia from the Atlantic Ocean to the Arabian/Indian Ocean and with 20 + regimes (mostly bad ones, lol) with 20 + different policies, opinions, agendas, internal rivalry, I don't have much hope of any big status quo changes. Unfortunately. As this is much needed. Even a free and independent Palestine on its own would amount to little in terms of changing status quo. Only unity can cause seismic changes. Now enlarge that thinking to the larger Muslim world as well.

Look bud, Assad was readmitted by the GCC into the league and he had renounced violence for the most part, except against the separatists. Iran/ sawdi relations are good now.

What to do now to prevent a balkanization of Syria? You want another KRG in Syria? Its about to happen.

Iran and Russia pulled out the day Assad told em my army has defected to the IDF and Al-Turkiya because the agency paid each of my 10 generals $5 million with US passports.

Irans $50 billion in da hole on Syria.

 

[_Arabia_]

Step one, dismantle the Monarchies, step introduce real democracy.

Nah, only the monarchies have amounted to something (by large) in the modern post WW2 Arab world. So that would be counterproductive. "Democracy" is not really a perfect system either. Meritocracy is better and in many ways KSA already has that due to the majlids, tribes/clans, business class, religious class (although nowadays without much influence) + having a formal alliance and benefiting from it mutually. Without that ruling a vast country like KSA would be impossible.

Also have in mind that unlike most of the Muslim world, the GCC is the richest area of the Muslim world (by far) and the rulers (monarchs) provide for the people. Free healthcare, free education, help with purchase of land, housing, help during marriage and dowry, no taxation, world class infrastructure, sending talented students abroad (and less talented) for free and many other services that are unthinkable even in rich Western European democracies.

The problem is that they like any rulers, more so monarchies, are overly protective of their thrones and thus as a consequence cautious geopolitically. KSA was the exception but after the Arab Spring, KSA has adopted a more isolationist stance that I applaud as it has led to a rapid development in KSA, industrialization, opening up the country for tourism, attracting massive (on a world scale) sporting and cultural events, getting to host the World Cup, Asian Games, Formula 1, Dakar Rally, major tennis and ports tournaments, e-sports, music etc. Basically opening up the economy and country = more money to spend on infrastructure, military, overall development = less Saudi Arabians going abroad and spending huge sums of money abroad, = more expats spending inside KSA as most what they seek can be found within KSA nowadays. Not everything I agree with, personally I don't give a crap about so-called famous singers and what not, never attended a single such concert, but the sporting events and overall tourist projects (opening up heritage sites, Islamic as pre-Islamic, building world class beach resorts, island resorts, mountain, desert resorts etc.) is a good thing for the economy and people's well-being.

Better than during the dreaded Sahwa era where we had retarded elements (at times but it occurred) harassing people with music instruments and other stupidities that were introduced by hard-liners post Iranian Islamic revolution in 1979 next door and the Al-Masjid al-Haram seizure by terrorists.

Off-topic but you started it so I just wanted to write my two cents for what it is worth. You are free to disagree, it is just my opinion, you will find Saudi Arabians who want more reforms, less etc. But pretty much most like MbS a lot and what he is doing. Obviously he is just the figurehead but whatever made those changes (mostly focusing on our industrialization push) was long overdue.

 

[hyperman]

Looking at that map (which is better, thank you), it gets more and more crazy. The entire Deir-Ez-Zor region has literally 0 native Kurds.

Deir ez-Zor Governorate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What is next, YPG/PKK claiming next door Al-Anbar?

But wait a second, are some local but confused Arab clans and tribes (or at least Arab elements) not a part of the SDF currently? I know that they previously had to join hands against ISIS and Al-Assad but now it makes zero sense for them to be a part of the SDF. Hence the large civilian protests in the region.

The world is getting more and more crazy by each day.

Oh I know brother, they harass the tribes there, they have been conscripting/kidnapping their children, the deir ez zor tribes rebelled and they label them ISIS and supress them, the reason they control Deir Ez Zor despite there being no Kurds there, is b/c all of Syria's oil is there, the oil revenue funds their operations. And for the US the "official" reason was that they were fighting ISIS, but the reality is that route has a road from Iraq that Iran used as part of their corridor to move fighters and weapons into Syria, that was the original reason, now with changing dynamics they may try to cook up more BS to justify the occupation. I think they like having a base their for strategic reasons, so they come up with BS reasons, but long term I don't think its tenable.

Just sit tight, Turkey has plans. We waited 13-14 years over this war to be over with Assad, 5 years since the last Turkish operation against the PKK, I think these issues will be addressed quite soon. If Assad can be dealt with in 11 days, the PKK issue should not be long, especially when most of the areas they control are Arab and they likely will face a revolt as things get shaky for them, which they are already feeling in Deir Ez Zor and Raqqa ever since the Assad regime fell and protests started.

 

[_Arabia_]

Look bud, Assad was readmitted by the GCC into the league and he had renounced violence for the most part, except against the separatists. Iran/ sawdi relations are good now.

What to do now to prevent a balkanization of Syria? You want another KRG in Syria? Its about to happen.

Iran and Russia pulled out the day Assad told em my army has defected to the IDF and Al-Turkiya because the agency paid each of my 10 generals $5 million with US passports.

Irans $50 billion in da hole on Syria.

Look my stance is, (as long as there is no Arab political unification or even turning the Arab League into a EU-/NATO like movement) that whatever Arab country x or y is doing internally, is their business, as long as their people are happy. Unless said regime starts murdering their own and refuses to implement sane reforms supported by the majority. If the House of Saud started mass-murdering Saudi Arabians across the country from Makkah to Dammam to Riyadh, to Ha'il to Abha to Tabuk, destroying the country and inviting foreigners (say Americans) to help with this, I sure as hell would hope that fellow Arabs and Muslims would be helping the people defeat/prevent such destructive behavior.

Problem simply was that the Al-Assad regime was useless from day 1.

Inviting Al-Assad back to the Arab League had more to do with wanting to help end the Syrian isolation and help ordinary Syrians. Not out of love of Assad. I mean the same KSA tried to topple Al-Assad earlier. Yes, relations prior to 2011 were not bad, in fact good, Syria stood with KSA and Kuwait when Saddam had his seizure and invaded Kuwait in 1991, but things change and enemies can turn into friends and vice versa.

I am critical of the Iranian regime's role in the Arab world since 1979. Other than that I have nothing against Iranians of any ethnicity whether Persians, Azeris, Arabs, Baloch, Turkmens or what not. We as Arabs and neighbors have more In common with them and vice versa that we would both like to admit and senseless rivalry is not positive for either side.

You know what, I don't give a crap about sect. The Al-Assad was in many ways a nominal Sunni (secular) regime. Everyone of the Al-Assad family intermarried with Sunnis. I read that his 3 children grew up as Sunnis. It all does not matter. When you start destroying your country and mass-murdering your own people, this is where I cannot support you.

But we will see in 10 years time how Syria will end up and maybe we will be looking back and sayin that for all of the Al-Assad regimes uselessness, maybe the alternative ended up being worse but I honestly doubt this very much.

As for balkanization of Syria, I am against any balkanization of any Muslim nation. More fragmentation is not going to serve anybody. Just creates weaker states and more trouble, more regimes, more different opinions, more competition, more outside interference etc. Which is why I am so critical of Zionist actions in Southern Syria and the YPG/PKK in the North.

And which is why I dislike UAE foreign policy a lot and their idiotic behavior in Sudan, Yemen and elsewhere. UAE = MbZ here. As for KSA-UAE harmony (on paper), don't buy it, in reality there is huge competition (for now mostly healthy) and much disagreement but for some "strange" reason UAE has buried their tentacles deeply in the US, West, China, Russia and even now the Jews. They have turned into the Jews of the Arab world in this regard. The same lot that were the biggest trading partner of Iran yet still talked about some useless barren islands in the Gulf that no Arabs outside of Emiratis even know exist. I even think that they are inhabited by Iranian Arabs or used to be. For info, KSA alone has 2000 islands. Personally I know the names of 10 of them.

Heck, recently I learned that KSA and Iran have two islands next to each other, one is called Al-Arabiyah and the other Farsi.

 

[muhammed45]

Elaborate for the less informed one's bro.

The guy was swearing that we will go for Israel and Ka'aba.

In multiple hadiths, i have seen that a weak group will emerge from Sham (Syria) and we are ordered to not engage with them directly and stick to the ground.

There is a chain of events that includes today's Iraq and KSA, both will be invaded by a Satanic force from Syria. My understanding is that HTS is not that strong Satanic force that will send a division to destroy holy Ka'aba. They will just pave the way for it most possibly unknowingly.

That event is linked to rise of Khorasani who will attack them and stop them in Iraq. Khorasani the one that is born in Iranic Khorasan will defeat that Satanic force and will pave the way for Imam Mahdi's (A. S.) final appearance. According to other Hadiths, Muslims incliding majority of Sunnis and Shias will unite behind Khorasani.

 

[Shawnee]

The guy was swearing that we will go for Israel and Ka'aba.

In multiple hadiths, i have seen that a weak group will emerge from Sham (Syria) and we are ordered to not engage with them directly and stick to the ground.

There is a chain of events that includes today's Iraq and KSA, both will be invaded by a Satanic force from Syria. My understanding is that HTS is not that strong Satanic force that will send a division to destroy holy Ka'aba. They will just pave the way for it most possibly unknowingly.

That event is linked to rise of Khorasani who will attack them and stop them in Iraq. Khorasani the one that is born in Iranic Khorasan will defeat that Satanic force and will pave the way for Imam Mahdi's (A. S.) final appearance. According to other Hadiths, Muslims incliding majority of Sunnis and Shias will unite behind Khorasani.

Is there 1 percent chance that we are not in Armageddon now and we should consider possibility of not having Dajjal in our lifetime?

Maybe only 1 percent chance??

 

[_Arabia_]

Oh I know brother, they harass the tribes there, they have been conscripting/kidnapping their children, the deir ez zor tribes rebelled and they label them ISIS and supress them, the reason they control Deir Ez Zor despite there being no Kurds there, is b/c all of Syria's oil is there, the oil revenue funds their operations. And for the US the "official" reason was that they were fighting ISIS, but the reality is that route has a road from Iraq that Iran used as part of their corridor to move fighters and weapons into Syria, that was the original reason, now with changing dynamics they may try to cook up more BS to justify the occupation. I think they like having a base their for strategic reasons, so they come up with BS reasons, but long term I don't think its tenable.

Just sit tight, Turkey has plans. We waited 13-14 years over this war to be over with Assad, 5 years since the last Turkish operation against the PKK, I think these issues will be addressed quite soon. If Assad can be dealt with in 11 days, the PKK issue should not be long, especially when most of the areas they control are Arab and they likely will face a revolt as things get shaky for them, which they are already feeling in Deir Ez Zor and Raqqa ever since the Assad regime fell and protests started.

Let us hope for the best for all Syrians involved and the region and for sanity to prevail and for Israel and the US (doubtful but one can hope naively) that their scheming and destructive ideas won't come into fruition. Syrians sure deserve many decades of peace and prosperity after what they have been through. Some of the videos that I watched on Arabic and Syrian TV showing prisoners and former (now deceased) Syrian martyrs were horrible. I know about the ability of regimes and humans to do evil but some things are beyond tragic. Islam teaches us forgiveness and compassion but when you watch that you want to avenge those people somehow and give them justice.

I have the same feeling about Palestine and Palestinians but that tragedy has been ongoing for so long that nowadays even most Palestinians themselves have been desensitized.

As far as Turkey and Erdogan goes (while not perfect, no leader is), in my opinion it can stand proudly for not abandoning Syria and Syrians, hosting millions of Syrians and playing a mostly constructive role. No amount of "NATO puppet", "Israeli ally" or anti-Turkish sentiment seen a lot in this thread, is going to change this. Many Syrians are grateful for the support regardless of incidents of clashing within Turkey (inevitable when you are going to host so many foreigners - I know it from KSA - every expat community have bad apples just like there are bad locals and humans everywhere) but it is the overall picture that is the important thing.

As an Arab, I want to thank Turkey for not abandoning Syria and Syrians and hosting Syrians in the millions. I don't know if you are a Turk but know that KSA has a 500.000 big community of Turkish origin (Saudi Arabians) and that KSA similarly hosted many (in the 100.000's - some say 1-2 million) Uzbeks, Uyghur's and others who escaped communist regimes and anti-Muslim pogroms during the USSR era. Now they are part of our country and I can say that they are good people by large.

Most ordinary Arabs don't look at Turks as enemies, rather as friends and neighbors that we share history with since pre-Islamic times, in particular with areas of Southern Turkey. Don't forget that millions of Turkish Arabs (locals) that predate the Ottomans.

Therefore in an ideal world, we should not be having hostile relations at all but try to improve the region as we can change it (both of us) for the better. More than anyone else.

 

[muhammed45]

Is there 1 percent chance that we are not in Armageddon now and we should consider possibility of not having Dajjal in our lifetime?

Maybe only 1 percent chance??

I don't know man. No one knows, but its not my fault that every event resembles those Hadiths.

When Israelis were building a wall that surrounded the occupied lands, Khakhams opposed it since it was fulfilling a prediction in Judaism.

It is not wrong to claim that predition was linked to rise of Muslims. We are at it whether we like it or not.

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

NATO is still here same as Russia. What are u on about? Lol let me see you guys fight imperial Japan during it's height day. They would make the mongols look saint to you lol jihadists are getting whooped left and right in china. . The real Uyghurs will support china over Islamic caliphate they know whats benifinical to them. Xinjiang is no longer the hub of terrorism but a prosperous region.

But why are you typing like an indian

 

[EugeneP]

Step one, dismantle the Monarchies, step introduce real democracy.

We have seen two experiments in Arab democracy (Egypt 2012 and Gaza in 2007). Results were not good. You will have better success in a search for Elixir (الإكسير al-ʾiksīr).

 

[Malik Abdullah]

The guy was swearing that we will go for Israel and Ka'aba.

In multiple hadiths, i have seen that a weak group will emerge from Sham (Syria) and we are ordered to not engage with them directly and stick to the ground.

There is a chain of events that includes today's Iraq and KSA, both will be invaded by a Satanic force from Syria. My understanding is that HTS is not that strong Satanic force that will send a division to destroy holy Ka'aba. They will just pave the way for it most possibly unknowingly.

That event is linked to rise of Khorasani who will attack them and stop them in Iraq. Khorasani the one that is born in Iranic Khorasan will defeat that Satanic force and will pave the way for Imam Mahdi's (A. S.) final appearance. According to other Hadiths, Muslims incliding majority of Sunnis and Shias will unite behind Khorasani.

You and your government supported this and facilitated such acts. I don't know the emergence of Imam Mahdi but if Mahdi coming down to support this I will happily join Dajjal.

 

[Shawnee]

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You and your government supported this and facilitated such acts. I don't know the emergence of Imam Mahdi but if Mahdi coming down to support this I will happily join Dajjal.

These types of comments always come from people who never made a single comment in Gaza tread with 45000 casualties.

Amazing

 

[Tamerlane]

We have seen two experiments in Arab democracy (Egypt 2012 and Gaza in 2007). Results were not good. You will have better success in a search for Elixir (الإكسير al-ʾiksīr).

Results were representative of the will of the people but not good for the Anglo-Zionists. That’s why they suppress democracy in Muslim countries. There’s a whole list of Muslim countries where the US overthrew democratic governments. E.g. Iran, Egypt, Pakistan, etc. Turkey suffered an US backed coup attempt that they thwarted.