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[BigMela2onin]

There is no concrete evidence that the Kowsar project was abandoned and there is no logic in saying that. Where are the videos, photos, spider webs as evidence?

There has been no progress in years. And no evidence of continued production. How do you prove a negative? Instead prove it is still in development.

 

[tsunset]

Kowsar program should be put into the trash bin once and for all, same for Yasin with terrible security that killed many Iranian pilots for nothing, Russia and China have alternatives that are way safer with equal or better performances such as Yak-130 instead of Yasin and Mig-29M2 instead of Kowsar

Anyone cheering for those programs are accomplices in the killing of IRIAF pilots

 

[Piet]

These were MIG-29SMTs armed with HMD slaved R-73, R-77 ARH, Talisman EW pods. Their Zhuk-ME radars can track a F-15 at 150KM (5 m2 F-16 at 120). Add them to IRIAF's fleet (post hypothetical upgradation) and you have a top notch fleet of 54 MIG-29SMTs guarding the key points like oil terminals while SU-35S, F-14 (if it stays in service) can go for long range interceptions.

I can work with this.

Really nice image & Talisman EW pod peeping out.

Iran at one point will have to integrate interceptors with IADS completely. What that means:

I think that events up there has made this clear for all to see. See also my end comments.

2) Iranian IADS is massive, modern and completely local. It has performed good before with interceptions and destruction of even stealth vehicles. Even recently if we go by Iranian version, it has intercepted a good amount of SOWs, even a British intel officer said Iranian HIMAD locked on F-35s. My point is considering Iranian huge geography IADS will have to completely control the manned/unmanned interceptions through datalinking with its own long ranged search-track assets. IADS will need some 120-150 manned and some 300 unmanned dedicated data-linked pure interceptors in this role. They have been using Datalinked-HOBS-WVR armed Karrar in this role over persian gulf in recent times. A group of Karrars some time ago was reported by Iranian AD official to have locked on a US P-8, this means IADS has its aerial interception wing. Why not give them manned aircrafts as well.

I never was one who took unmanned 'interceptors' too seriously. I did not know that a group of Karrar's had actually locked on to a P-8 though. Thanks, missed this one.

Now, combine manned and unmanned a/c in one group, means that each manned fighter - say flying CAP - would have a number of Collaborative Combat Aircraft as a force multiplier. The actual roles of each will depend on the AI-sophistication then prevalent, and of course the overall 'air picture' provided by the country's IADS.

Probably somewhat early days still.

Not wishing to go of topic but probably good to notice also in the above regard, is that the IRGC's Shahid Bagheri 'drone carrier' had put to sea quite recently, for sea trails.

With 35 Billion USD budget, they need to procure or build these datalinked interceptors for point defence within IADS. Iranian IADS is getting layers after layers covered with HIMADS, SHORADS, suddenly you have MIG-29 taking same track info from IADS in real time while they can combine it up their own radars. This is why they should not have given up on Kowsar production.

Well, just after I had posted herein previously that one of the requirements to lay hold of the SyAAF's combat a/c fleet, was the presence of an 'in-tact' force. Alas, I think it was just the following day that the majority of these a/c were destroyed in multiple air attacks.

I also posited that the funds required for 70 Kowsar's rather be re-directed to upgrade F-14's etc.

I now am not of this opinion any longer.

In South Africa we have a saying that 'Local is Lekker'. (Local is Nice).

Perhaps those in power in Iran should consider something along the same lines.

Piet

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

The Kowsar is a very good aircraft still evolving. It is a beautiful universal and technological platform. New radar, new weapons and technology in development, communication by artificial intelligence with drones and more. 3 production lines have been shown so far. I had also seen news that the Kowsar could become an unmanned aircraft too.

And where are the many crashes of the Kowsar and Yasin ?? my impression is that the Kowsar will be prepared as attack support for the Su-35. I want concrete proof of the abandonment of the Kowasar, real, factual, demonstrable, sourceable

 

[Flotilla]

These were MIG-29SMTs armed with HMD slaved R-73, R-77 ARH, Talisman EW pods. Their Zhuk-ME radars can track a F-15 at 150KM (5 m2 F-16 at 120). Add them to IRIAF's fleet (post hypothetical upgradation) and you have a top notch fleet of 54 MIG-29SMTs guarding the key points like oil terminals while SU-35S, F-14 (if it stays in service) can go for long range interceptions.

Are you sure that is a SMT Mig29?


This is a SMT, the difference is clear. AFAIK Syria finally didn´t received the troublesome SMT. They had just Mig29A.

Why Syria Didn't Get the MiG-29 Fighters it Originally Ordered: MiG-29M Sale Cancelled For Older Models

The Syrian Arab Army was considered a priority client for delivery of new Soviet armaments during the 1980s, being the first in the world to receive MiG-25 Foxbat

militarywatchmagazine.com

Also the real advance for IRIAF would be the R77 and ZhukME radar, but really, Iran would had access to such radar and no one news was reported on that. No one picture of a Zhuk ME radar on SyAF. So I think that the fighters destroyed were just Mig29A.

MiG-29SMT, la versión de los escándalos

El MiG-29SMT es una variante del Fulcrum más conocida por los quebraderos de cabeza y escándalos que por sus características técnicas. Es...

alejandro-8.blogspot.com

 

[Piet]

The Kowsar is a very good aircraft still evolving. It is a beautiful universal and technological platform. New radar, new weapons and technology in development, communication by artificial intelligence with drones and more.

I agree with the above, and it is also a platform that lends itself well to upgrades.

3 production lines have been shown so far. I had also seen news that the Kowsar could become an unmanned aircraft too.

I have probably skimmed over these production lines without paying these the necessary attention. But yes, this figure sits well with me. Regarding Kowsar becoming an unmanned aircraft, were you perhaps thinking of the Qaher 313 ?

Piet

 

[Tijani]

Kowsar program should be put into the trash bin once and for all, same for Yasin with terrible security that killed many Iranian pilots for nothing, Russia and China have alternatives that are way safer with equal or better performances such as Yak-130 instead of Yasin and Mig-29M2 instead of Kowsar

Anyone cheering for those programs are accomplices in the killing of IRIAF pilots

Brother. It's always better to have once own trash and someone else's treasure. History has shown us that no one is our friend. We can buy and use but development is a must despite it being messy and fraught with danger. Once critical mass is achieved you'll start to see wonders in Iran's aviation sector. Just like with the missile program. Where's Tehrani Moghaddam and his team (RA)? Should Iran have stopped developing missiles because of their fatality? It's a dangerous busines. Mistakes and deaths are part and parcel of it. The price that must be paid. Alhamdu lillaah some are willing to pay the ultimate price. Allah's blessing to the brave souls who know that they're in a dangerous business. They are the men made from the right stuff!

 

[Kyussis]

There is no concrete evidence that the Kowsar project was abandoned and there is no logic in saying that. Where are the videos, photos, spider webs as evidence?

Lord BT said so. You dare disbelieve all knowing ,most powerful, Lord BT?

 

[UKBengali]

Brother. It's always better to have once own trash and someone else's treasure. History has shown us that no one is our friend. We can buy and use but development is a must despite it being messy and fraught with danger. Once critical mass is achieved you'll start to see wonders in Iran's aviation sector. Just like with the missile program. Where's Tehrani Moghaddam and his team (RA)? Should Iran have stopped developing missiles because of their fatality? It's a dangerous busines. Mistakes and deaths are part and parcel of it. The price that must be paid. Alhamdu lillaah some are willing to pay the ultimate price. Allah's blessing to the brave souls who know that they're in a dangerous business. They are the men made from the right stuff!

Just look where Iran is in LRSAM technology after decades of effort in SAM technology. I think Iran started with reverse engineering the US Hawk system.

Only 4 countries in the world have independently developed LRSAM - USA(Patriot), Russia(S-400), China(HQ-9) and Iran(Bavar-373). It is an extremely difficult thing to do and requires advanced know-how in radar, missile propulsion and software battle management.

Progress is not a linear thing and once "critical mass" is reached then things move forward very quickly.

 

[lightning f57]

Just look where Iran is in LRSAM technology after decades of effort in SAM technology. I think Iran started with reverse engineering the US Hawk system.

Only 4 countries in the world have independently developed LRSAM - USA(Patriot), Russia(S-400), China(HQ-9) and Iran(Bavar-373). It is an extremely difficult thing to do and requires advanced know-how in radar, missile propulsion and software battle management.

Progress is not a linear thing and once "critical mass" is reached then things move forward very quickly.

Production needs ramping up. I agree with poster above, Iran needs to get a bunch of interceptors im form of J16 or SU35s. Iran should imo keep a low profile geopolitically speaking, operate like the Chinese quietly getting their business done. These SAMS need mass production, budget should be focused on conventional forces including drones.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Lord BT said so. You dare disbelieve all knowing ,most powerful, Lord BT?

Yes yes I saw on Twitter-X, Lord BT is very powerful in propaganda. The lord of fools

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

I agree with the above, and it is also a platform that lends itself well to upgrades.

I have probably skimmed over these production lines without paying these the necessary attention. But yes, this figure sits well with me. Regarding Kowsar becoming an unmanned aircraft, were you perhaps thinking of the Qaher 313 ?

Piet

The Qaher drone and manned version project seems to be underway but like you, I don't know much for the moment

 

[Comandante]

"The Kowsar is a very good aircraft"
The tipus is 100% full adoption of the Brazilian F5 development.
I'm waiting for the python missiles to appear in my direction. I think it was a good idea.

 

[Comandante]

Brazil’s Upgraded Tiger IIs Might Be The Most Capable F-5s In The World

Local industry has just completed a wide-ranging modernization program for the Brazilian F-5 Tiger II fleet.

www.twz.com

 

[Avicenna]

I would think Iran knows by now its in the crosshairs.

Need to beef up as much and as quickly as possible.

Hopefully Russia and Iran can coordinate and fortify.

Maybe get an emergency supply of Mig-29s from the Russian inventory.