Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[Sinan]

No,no...Sinan it's a bit more complicated. Look,in all seriousness,we all know there were problems with the Syrian government for decades. Everybody knows that.

And I've said it many times,it wasn't the best democracy or even a democracy,but it was a nice country that had far more freedom than let's say Saddam's Iraq or Revolutionary Iran.

It was a country were all faiths were protected. It was a safe haven for the christians of the Sham,the Alawites,the Shia,the Druze.

There were big problems with suppressing ethnic groups,not recognizing their language or giving them some autonomy. For example the Kurds,the Turkmens,the Cretan Muslims etc.

The regime was strict,the propaganda was the same in the 21st century as it was in the '90s and there was no imagination and no solutions for the economy.

But I think the biggest problem of Syria was the government's stubborn refusals and unbending nature to various issues. Even when the country was in danger,the government wouldn't negotiate with the Kurds for a federated solution.

They wouldn't negotiate for years with the Israelis. Some might say that's a good thing because it shows integrity. Maybe it is,maybe it's not. I don't know.

They wouldn't let go of Russia and Iran. Some might say that is good too.

But the outcome is: Syria has been completely destroyed and up for grabs.

And all of this had been averted if 1 man, gave power to it's people. Not gonna say more.

 

[hyperman]

The Soviet Union was why NATO existed.

NATO should have logically disbanded after the Soviet Union fell,but that's just not practical. On the contrary,they expanded. And the funny thing is,they still have Russia as priority and not China which is stronger.

yeah like I said Russia/Kremlin.

Russia is the Soviet Union Successor. They will give every single Soviet Union member NATo membership... Except Russia. lol Yelstin asked for NATO membership, and Clinton said yes, but then his advisors freaked out, and the deep state "corrected" Clinton and rescinded the offer. lol

 

[Strider]

Turkey is far too important for West . Turkey won’t lose membership of NATO they’ll lose a few privileges.

I would concur. The U.S will implement non-comprehensive sectoral/individual/entity sanctions on Türkiye should it have any direct confrontation with the Israelis. And with Trump around, he is unpredictable. He is a paid Zionist. You can even buy your own cabinet for $100 million. This is what American politics have come to.

Sigh. I miss the old days.

 

[Sinan]

There are more effective ways to deal with the Zionists.

Look the only way to deal with the Zionists is to remove American support. And no country can do it alone. This can only be possible with the Muslims united. Imagine all of the Muslims countries, say "Put a leash on your rabid dog or we are going to cut trades with America"

There is no other way, you can't military defeat America.

 

[hyperman]

Israeli AF will annihilate TuAF.
They are no match for IAF.

@MMM-E this looks like a job for you. lol

 

[Foinikas]

And all of this had been averted if 1 man, gave power to it's people. Not gonna say more.

But komsun,we don't know if that would have been enough. Although to a certain extend I agree.

 

[Sinan]

Nah,it's just a cool map my Pak friend sent me earlier. But some...or a lot of Turks actually do want that. I'm not saying it will happen,I'm just saying many in Turkey want that and Erdogan wouldn't mind trying having a bit of it.

Edit: Yes,Turkey does want to annex islands in the Aegean. I don't know if they would try for Western Thrace,but the Aegean yes. And that's mostly because of the EEZ

You know our position on Aegean EEZ is to draw the line from main land not from Islands. It wouldn't help our claim.

Look people, here forget that we are no longer living in the medieval times but in the 21th century. You no longer conquer lands and generate tax revenue from peasants.

Let me put it in another. Let's say Iran somehow invades and annex California. Now, they are in the possession of the Silicon Valley. Are they going to invent the next gen CPUs or hundreds of Iranian start-ups will pop up from there? All by having some new office buildings? Today you generate wealth by know-how, getting into new markets, being more competitive against your competitors.

Not going about the problems of integrating foreign people into your system. Re-organizing infrastructure, administration etc...

Those days are long gone.

 

[Foinikas]

@MMM-E this looks like a job for you. lol

Hahahaha

 

[KingQamaR]

Israeli AF will annihilate TuAF.
They are no match for IAF.

I know one of the ground rules here was that all current conflicts cease for the scenario, I am now bringing in Turkey Navy scenario where the Turkish navy cuts off maritime trade and supply routes to Zionists pig Israel via the Mediterranean is very interesting when you take away that rule. At present, Israel effectively has no safe alternative to those routes, given the Yemeni Houthi's blockade of Israeli bound Red Sea shipping. Disruptions caused by that blockade were considerable enough the US intervened. Assuming Turkey simultaneously pulled the Naval strategy provided combined with air and ground assaults , Israel could be effectively cut off from the West, and besieged (especially if Iran boosted supply to Yemen in support). Weak naval capabilities seem to be a vulnerability for Israel, geo strategically speaking.

 

[hyperman]

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Unfortunately they took the weapons with them to Qamishli. Including Air Defense. So Turkey will need to blow it up with Airstrikes.

 

[mulj]

Look the only way to deal with the Zionists is to remove American support. And no country can do it alone. This can only be possible with the Muslims united. Imagine all of the Muslims countries, say "Put a leash on your rabid dog or we are going to cut trades with America"

There is no other way, you can't military defeat America.

That is why whole middle east needs nukes, ruthless, double faced opponent with cynical claimed moral superiority with endless resources and current domination can not be differently challenged.
Fair game and mutual respect facade fell of with impunity they gave to the jews for commiting live genocide and humiliation rest of the world.
That or continue to be inferior until you are not which is always vague option with uncertain outcome.
That is why muslim world is stupid as shit not able to agree on bailing out Pakistan in case of providing nuclear umbrella this one is most drastic measure but principle is pretty obvious.

 

[mulj]

I know one of the ground rules here was that all current conflicts cease for the scenario, I am now bringing in Turkey Navy scenario where the Turkish navy cuts off maritime trade and supply routes to Zionists pig Israel via the Mediterranean is very interesting when you take away that rule. At present, Israel effectively has no safe alternative to those routes, given the Yemeni Houthi's blockade of Israeli bound Red Sea shipping. Disruptions caused by that blockade were considerable enough the US intervened. Assuming Turkey simultaneously pulled the Naval strategy provided combined with air and ground assaults , Israel could be effectively cut off from the West, and besieged (especially if Iran boosted supply to Yemen in support). Weak naval capabilities seem to be a vulnerability for Israel, geo strategically speaking.

Day two and whole usa west gang will be in front of Izmir.
You need nukes for somewhat fair conventional war.

 

[Sinan]

Turkey is far too important for West . Turkey won’t lose membership of NATO they’ll lose a few privileges.

Maybe you are forgetting how US and it's allies sanctioned us when we started our operation in Syria, so that we need to stop.
Or how Trump devaluated Lira because of Pastor brunson.
Or how US sanctioned Turkey, when we invaded Cyprus.

We don't have any natural resources, and we are too integrated with the Western System. We can't survive a sanction.

 

[Strider]

Look the only way to deal with the Zionists is to remove American support. And no country can do it alone. This can only be possible with the Muslims united. Imagine all of the Muslims countries, say "Put a leash on your rabid dog or we are going to cut trades with America"

There is no other way, you can't military defeat America.

The Zionists are strong because they are aligned and united even though they are a very small faction. This 'Axis of Resistance' was never united to begin with which was why it failed.

And by other ways, I meant the non-military approach. I personally prefer it this way. Military is only the last approach.

The way the Iranians are going at this rate only gave the Zionists the ammunition to fuel for their sick ideology in the Middle East and elsewhere. I don't know about others, but I know I do not want that considering I am the only Muslim-majority country living in a rough neighborhood.

What is happening to the Palestinians can happen to anyone. The complete absence of any accountability whatsoever against the Israelis is what frightens me. Who knows who would be next and where? Inspiration is contagious.

Trade embargos will not work on America. Once they get a hold of what's happening, they will destroy us.

Instead and ideally, a coalition of like-minded nations (be they Muslim or non-Muslim) with shared economic and security interests can band together to contain this threat. A set of values can be a guidance and unity as well.

I feel this arrangement will help to keep the West in check. It is through unity and strength that Zionists can at least be contained.

But first, there must be alignment and qualified nations. Selection must be very selective. I believe the demand is there. People are getting frustrated, scared and angry.

 

[Sinan]

And PKK is thrown under the bus.....

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