Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[tower9]

This Palestinian is using the word “liberate” when the fall of Assad almost certainly means the extinction of Palestine for the next 5-10 years at least and maybe longer.

It is obvious that he cannot think two steps ahead and/or is sectarian.

What are Iranians to think when they see videos like this from Palestinian “influencers”?

That's why I don't understand what Iran is fighting for. The only underlying reason is the Islamist ideology and a sense of pan-Islamism. Of course, there is also the bid for geopolitical influence, but that just collapsed, so what is Iran fighting for now?

If it keeps going down this path, Iran's Islamic Republic will just continue to lose ideological credibility and if the economy is not fixed, it will collapse.

 

[_Arabia_]

That's why I don't understand what Iran is fighting for. The only underlying reason is the Islamist ideology and a sense of pan-Islamism. Of course, there is also the bid for geopolitical influence, but that just collapsed, so what is Iran fighting for now?

If it keeps going down this path, Iran's Islamic Republic will just continue to lose ideological credibility and if the economy is not fixed, it will collapse.

Why are you constantly talking about Iran? They are a irrelevant party here. It is a small country with just 80 million people with a demographic that will only decline in the future (numerous ethnic groups at that too, Arabs included), no ability to remotely win a war against Israel (hence they never starting one to begin with) and with an economy smaller than 10 million big UAE.

Most Iranians, outside of this forum where mostly pro-regime Iranians are present, are pro-Israel and pro-West. The Iranian regime is also not going to rule for much longer.

Iran is irrelevant in wider geopolitics of events in the Arab world. You two @UKBengali are both at it. We get it, you have a soft spot for Iran for whatever reasons, but this is getting ridiculous.

 

[UKBengali]

That's why I don't understand what Iran is fighting for. The only underlying reason is the Islamist ideology and a sense of pan-Islamism. Of course, there is also the bid for geopolitical influence, but that just collapsed, so what is Iran fighting for now?

If it keeps going down this path, Iran's Islamic Republic will just continue to lose ideological credibility and if the economy is not fixed, it will collapse.

Unfortunately like I say at least half the Muslim world lives in a state of ignorance, sectarianism and medieval thinking.

If Iran can just about do “enough” to maybe get the most damaging sanctions lifted then that would be enough for now while it sits it out for China to nullify western dominance.

Personally I would love for BD to buy some top-notch Iranian SAM systems, as they are good from actual combat usage and from an extremely reliable supplier. Much rather BD buys major weapons systems from Iran than Turkey as Iran is not in debt to Zio-US and not a member of Nato.

 

[tower9]

Why are you constantly talking about Iran? They are a irrelevant party here. It is a small country with just 80 million people with a demographic that will only decline in the future (numerous ethnic groups at that too, Arabs included), no ability to remotely win a war against Israel (hence they never starting one to begin with) and with an economy smaller than 10 million big UAE.

Most Iranians, outside of this forum where mostly pro-regime Iranians are present, are pro-Israel and pro-West. The Iranian regime is also not going to rule for much longer.

Iran is irrelevant in wider geopolitics of events in the Arab world. You two @UKBengali are both at it. We get it, you have a soft spot for Iran for whatever reasons, but this is getting ridiculous.

Iran is very relevant to this conflict as its proxies are the main forces resisting Israel. Obviously the collapse of Assad has dealt Iran a huge setback but with that said, it is still the only major rival to Israel in the region.

 

[_Arabia_]

Iran is very relevant to this conflict as its proxies are the main forces resisting Israel. Obviously the collapse of Assad has dealt Iran a huge setback but with that said, it is still the only major rival to Israel in the region.

You do realize that those groups are not dependent on Iran but local Shia Arab political movements that will exist long after the Iranian regime is gone and existed prior to it even meddling to begin with? Houthis for instance have absolutely nothing to do with Iran other than them getting a few USSR-origin weapons from them.

None of this changes anything. Iran has had 45 years to "defeat" Israel. The only thing they have done is make Israel stronger, create division and destruction and now their project has ended in a humiliating defeat with nothing to show for it.

Prior to 1979 nobody in the Arab world cared about Iran. We were mostly neutral. Nowadays after 45 years of meddling, terror support etc. Iran is widely hated and even disliked among Shia Arabs, in particular in Iraq.

It is over. Soon the US and Israel will destroy their attempts of building nuclear weapons permanently. You can be sure of this. They will never allow them to have nuclear weapons and if they do, the entire ME will become nuclear armed and this is the last thing Israel and USA wants to.

They are just keeping the Iranian regime at life-support because so far it suits them to have a weak Iran. They prefer a toothless and sanctioned Iran and they will try to keep that as the status quo for as long as possible.

 

[PakFactor]

@UKBengali @mulj @Meengla @RescueRanger

Hamas Concedes on Israeli Troops in Gaza, Raising Hopes for Hostage Deal​

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-palestine-ceasefire-hostage-negotiations-d599e1d1

One of the conditions is Israel can remain in Gaza. This is, in essence, surrender.

Soon, the Israelis will be building resorts and settlements in Gaza. Another land lost, but all by the almighty's will.

 

[Falcon29]

@UKBengali @mulj @Meengla @RescueRanger

Hamas Concedes on Israeli Troops in Gaza, Raising Hopes for Hostage Deal​

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-palestine-ceasefire-hostage-negotiations-d599e1d1

One of the conditions is Israel can remain in Gaza. This is, in essence, surrender.

Temporarily. They will withdraw in phases. Otherwise Hamas will continue targeting those axises (Netsarim and Philadelphia corridor).

Same thing Hezbollah agreed to. And Hamas already agreed to prior. Israel rejected it because it didn't want to end the war.

 

[PakFactor]

Temporarily. They will withdraw in phases. Otherwise Hamas will continue targeting those axises (Netsarim and Philadelphia corridor).

Let's see. However, my feelings are different this time. Netanyahu has carte blanche to do as he wills. Once the Israelis dig in, it's difficult to dislodge them; they are already saying it was a mistake to leave in the past that gave rise to Hamas and those like it, and this time, it will be different.

 

[Falcon29]

Israel is 100x worse than Assad. Yet it got tens of billions in economic and military aid and political backing.

Israel did what it accused Assad of doing. But justifies it and claims it's moral that Israel does 100x what Assad did.

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[mulj]

@UKBengali @mulj @Meengla @RescueRanger

Hamas Concedes on Israeli Troops in Gaza, Raising Hopes for Hostage Deal​

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-palestine-ceasefire-hostage-negotiations-d599e1d1

One of the conditions is Israel can remain in Gaza. This is, in essence, surrender.

Soon, the Israelis will be building resorts and settlements in Gaza. Another land lost, but all by the almighty's will.

Now the circles of throwing blames around will go out in full force.
I will refrain from that and be only sad for lives of innocents lost and future destroyed for those who survived.

 

[Musings]

We have sadness in our hearts for every child whose life is cut short.
It saddens me to see the glee people like you had when innocent children were murdered and are still being murdered in Gaza. Don’t you have the same sympathy as normal folk?
Why do and did you celebrate the death of innocent babies in Gaza yet highlight this death? Is Jewish blood more precious in your special eyes?

 

[_Arabia_]

Temporarily. They will withdraw in phases. Otherwise Hamas will continue targeting those axises (Netsarim and Philadelphia corridor).

Same thing Hezbollah agreed to. And Hamas already agreed to prior. Israel rejected it because it didn't want to end the war.

Hamas should just kill those Israeli hostages. Israel has no initiative to stop the genocide and will continue regardless.

The most important thing is for Palestinians to remain steadfast in not allowing themselves to be displaced in Gaza and the West Bank and to continue to grow their numbers and to install patriotism, resistance and unity.

The current situation in the Arab world is unnatural. Only political, economic and military unification can change status quo and help solve the ongoing conflicts and challenges.

You cannot defeat cancer that has spread to many parts of the body by just treating one body part at a time and that too ineffectively.

We have sadness in our hearts for every child whose life is cut short.
It saddens me to see the glee people like you had when innocent children were murdered and are still being murdered in Gaza. Don’t you have the same sympathy as normal folk?
Why do and did you celebrate the death of innocent babies in Gaza yet highlight this death? Is Jewish blood more precious in your special eyes?

Actually I stopped caring about Israeli "victims" in this conflict because I see no Israeli repentance for their constant and ongoing crimes that have lasted for almost 100 years now.

I don't wish death upon any innocent people but I will not be crying for Israeli victims in this conflict.

In fact, if Arabs had nuclear weapons, I believe that we have crossed the line of when it is acceptable to us it on Israel.

 

[Falcon29]

Let's see. However, my feelings are different this time. Netanyahu has carte blanche to do as he wills. Once the Israelis dig in, it's difficult to dislodge them; they are already saying it was a mistake to leave in the past that gave rise to Hamas and those like it, and this time, it will be different.

They can't annex any part of Gaza without committing genocide/ethnic cleansing. People will go back to the north and it's over for Israel after that. It will have to honor ceasefire agreement and withdraw. Gaza is 99% Sunni. No one will work with Israel to be annexed. It's not like Syria or Lebanon where they try working with Druze or other groups.

It's possible Netanyahu dishonors both agreements in Gaza and Lebanon. We will find out around January time. But regardless, the region is allowing all of this and never spent any effort to prepare for the Israeli threat. Nobody did. It's pitiful but at least Gaza showed you can't ignore the elephant in the room. Now in the next few years we are going to see how much more the region can take of Israeli expansionism and Nazi extremism. Gaza can't save them they have the numbers and resources and weapons systems. They have to do it.

 

[PakFactor]

Now the circles of throwing blames around will go out in full force.
I will refrain from that and be only sad for lives of innocents lost and future destroyed for those who survived.

Indeed. I was from the beginning saying, as you are a witness, that the Palestinians should migrate out of the Middle East altogether, go to South America or something; the Palestinian Authority should have set up their own Aliyah, realistically losing so many people and shattering young children lives while your next door kins were cowards. Every day the Israelis are crouching on land and building settlements; there's nothing left to make a viable state.

That dirt isn't worth one soul.

 

[PakFactor]

They can't annex any part of Gaza without committing genocide/ethnic cleansing. People will go back to the north and it's over for Israel after that. It will have to honor ceasefire agreement and withdraw. Gaza is 99% Sunni. No one will work with Israel to be annexed. It's not like Syria or Lebanon where they try working with Druze or other groups.

It's possible Netanyahu dishonors both agreements in Gaza and Lebanon. We will find out around January time. But regardless, the region is allowing all of this and never spent any effort to prepare for the Israeli threat. Nobody did. It's pitiful but at least Gaza showed you can't ignore the elephant in the room. Now in the next few years we are going to see how much more the region can take of Israeli expansionism and Nazi extremism. Gaza can't save them they have the numbers and resources and weapons systems. They have to do it.

I do hope for the best, but signs are entirely the opposite. I said from the beginning the silence from the Islamic world and those around it would give rise to worse outcomes for Muslims down the road, as it has shown the West and Israel there is no fight in the dog.