Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[_Arabia_]

Indeed. I was from the beginning saying, as you are a witness, that the Palestinians should migrate out of the Middle East altogether, go to South America or something; the Palestinian Authority should have set up their own Aliyah, realistically losing so many people and shattering young children lives while your next door kins were cowards. Every day the Israelis are crouching on land and building settlements; there's nothing left to make a viable state.

That dirt isn't worth one soul.

Are you joking or just trolling? Why the hell should native people be leaving their homeland just because of a bunch of usurpers, invaders and occupiers? What would 100 + years of resistance have been worth if that would be the case?

You don't get it do you? Arabs have sacrificed literally trillions of dollars (of lost opportunities, coups, interference, numerous wars even worse than what Israel has been doing) all due to the support of Palestine. Hosted millions of Palestinians. You don't yet understand why Saddam was removed 21 years after it happened and numerous other leaders?

You still don't get it, that Israel is the US/Western colonial outpost in the area installed to keep Arabs at bay and prevent unification, progress etc.?

You still don't get it, that non-Arab Muslims that have not done anything towards the cause of Palestine (overall) are in no position to point fingers at anyone, least of all Arabs?

If I see a Muslim nation somehow defeating Israel and most importantly the US/Western system that has put them in existence and supports them 24/7, I will keep my mouth shut and say, "you guys were right and did something that we could not do". Until then, you are in no position to give lectures from the West.

No offense.

 

[_Arabia_]

Israelis have only contempt for Arabs, Muslims and non-Jews (those in power at least). It is high time to stop this charade of coexistence, normalization which is a hoax until the Israelis themselves change which seems not to be the case.

They have every opportunity to change and behave like normal civilized neighbors but they refuse to and find one excuse after the other. Even if all Arab nations normalized with them and tried to become cordial, they would not change their ways. We have the actual reality as a proof of this.

They are a sick society beyond redemption as of now.

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[Meengla]

This Palestinian is using the word “liberate” when the fall of Assad almost certainly means the extinction of Palestine for the next 5-10 years at least and maybe longer.
It is obvious that he cannot think two steps ahead and/or is sectarian.
What are Iranians to think when they see videos like this from Palestinian “influencers”?

The Palestinian blogger Mahmood OD, whose video I had quoted above, is not sectarian and had been appreciative of the Iranian help for the past many months. I think he is just in the 'coping' mode, hoping for the new regime in Syria to do something for Palestinians.

I do hope for the best, but signs are entirely the opposite. I said from the beginning the silence from the Islamic world and those around it would give rise to worse outcomes for Muslims down the road, as it has shown the West and Israel there is no fight in the dog.

It is to be noted given the scale of the destruction in Gaza, not even the Muslim Street did much, let alone the leaders. Arab leaders did a lot for the Palestinians in the past but I think they have basically given up the erstwhile robust support. Essentially, they are willing to sacrifice the few million Palestinians who are still in Palestine to save the hundreds of millions Arabs who are living in various Arab countries.

 

[mulj]

Are you joking or just trolling? Why the hell should native people be leaving their homeland just because of a bunch of usurpers, invaders and occupiers? What would 100 + years of resistance have been worth if that would be the case?

You don't get it do you? Arabs have sacrificed literally trillions of dollars (of lost opportunities, coups, interference, numerous wars even worse than what Israel has been doing) all due to the support of Palestine. Hosted millions of Palestinians. You don't yet understand why Saddam was removed 21 years after it happened and numerous other leaders?

You still don't get it, that Israel is the US/Western colonial outpost in the area installed to keep Arabs at bay and prevent unification, progress etc.?

You still don't get it, that non-Arab Muslims that have not done anything towards the cause of Palestine (overall) are in no position to point fingers at anyone, least of all Arabs?

If I see a Muslim nation somehow defeating Israel and most importantly the US/Western system that has put them in existence and supports them 24/7, I will keep my mouth shut and say, "you guys were right and did something that we could not do". Until then, you are in no position to give lectures from the West.

No offense.

I appreciate zeal in just position, i understand why Egypt and Jordan submitted, at certain extent i understand Morroco but UAE and Bahrain added more thorns into heels, something has to reverse. Jews showed that they do not act like humans.

 

[_Arabia_]

I have been telling fellow Arabs (Muslims as well) for the past 10 years to unify ranks, work towards political, economic and military unification as this is the only realistic and sane solution to most of our problems and challenges both current and future ones, to leave silly differences, grievances and disagreements aside, but most are unfortunately still either blind, somehow content or don't get or see the bigger picture. They say that they agree and want the same thing but I don't see any concrete steps towards that.

Even Palestinians are politically divided into factions and have faced the same problems since the very beginning. I don't know if this is by design or due to ignorance, arrogance, envy, greed etc. of humans or whatever it is but my conclusion is that most of us are simply just using Islam for political gains and nationalistic aspirations. We don't follow Islam any longer only treat it as a Swedish buffet and we are not even good at that.

Corrupt, dishonest, divided and weak. Just like the enemies prefer and want it.

All current leadership has failed by large. It is time to give people the power and the youth a chance to shape the region for the better.

 

[_Arabia_]

I appreciate zeal in just position, i understand why Egypt and Jordan submitted, at certain extent i understand Morroco but UAE and Bahrain added more thorns into heels, something has to reverse. Jews showed that they do not act like humans.

Look, if Jews (at least the majority in Israel) could behave like normal humans, stopped their ongoing insanity, integrated with the Arab world, after all 2/3 of them claim to be Arab Jews, we could probably live in peace like before.

However all of those peace deals, normalization etc. are just charades at the end of the day. What does it really change on the ground? Has it made the average Egyptian love Israel? Or the average citizen of those countries? No. Has it changed Israeli behavior towards Palestinians and other neighbors? Has it stopped Israeli expansionism? No. Has it stopped Israeli greed and ambition of effectively ruling the region rather than mutually beneficial cooperation? No.

They only understand power. All arrogant powers only understand that language.

 

[Meengla]

However all of those peace deals, normalization etc. are just charades at the end of the day. What does it really change on the ground? Has it made the average Egyptian love Israel? Or the average citizen of those countries? No. Has it changed Israeli behavior towards Palestinians and other neighbors? Has it stopped Israeli expansionism? No. Has it stopped Israeli greed and ambition of effectively ruling the region rather than mutually beneficial cooperation? No.

Like all conquerors, Israelis don't care much about any 'goodwill' from the regional people. Did the conquered Native Americans love the European colonizers or the European colonizers cared what the Natives might think of them? Israelis have not hidden their desire to duplicate the experience of the Europeans in the Americans. That's just a rough analogy because the Palestinians/Arabs have huge populations in that region compared with the Native Americans vs Europeans, but when one side puts enough force and occupies and kills in large numbers, then that side wins for a long time, maybe for centuries to come. And Israelis are not alone here: They have America's total support and that, along with the rich power American allies, enables Israel to have a large force projection.
To defeat Israel will require a change in the American economic and political system--a system so corrupt that this is a self-feeding machine which provides 'jobs' to Americans and supports Israel and in turn Israel sends some money back to feed the machine. Most of the 'aid' that America gives to Israel stays in America in one way or another way as part of the machine.

 

[tower9]

I have been telling fellow Arabs (Muslims as well) for the past 10 years to unify ranks, work towards political, economic and military unification as this is the only realistic and sane solution to most of our problems and challenges both current and future ones, to leave silly differences, grievances and disagreements aside, but most are unfortunately still either blind, somehow content or don't get or see the bigger picture. They say that they agree and want the same thing but I don't see any concrete steps towards that.

Even Palestinians are politically divided into factions and have faced the same problems since the very beginning. I don't know if this is by design or due to ignorance, arrogance, envy, greed etc. of humans or whatever it is but my conclusion is that most of us are simply just using Islam for political gains and nationalistic aspirations. We don't follow Islam any longer only treat it as a Swedish buffet and we are not even good at that.

Corrupt, dishonest, divided and weak. Just like the enemies prefer and want it.

All current leadership has failed by large. It is time to give people the power and the youth a chance to shape the region for the better.

I was a big supporter of Pan-Arabism in the past. Unfortunately, it is a dead ideology bro. I don't see how the Arab world can ever get to a place of unity. Even in tiny states, you have so much infighting between different groups.

 

[tower9]

Look, if Jews (at least the majority in Israel) could behave like normal humans, stopped their ongoing insanity, integrated with the Arab world, after all 2/3 of them claim to be Arab Jews, we could probably live in peace like before.

However all of those peace deals, normalization etc. are just charades at the end of the day. What does it really change on the ground? Has it made the average Egyptian love Israel? Or the average citizen of those countries? No. Has it changed Israeli behavior towards Palestinians and other neighbors? Has it stopped Israeli expansionism? No. Has it stopped Israeli greed and ambition of effectively ruling the region rather than mutually beneficial cooperation? No.

They only understand power. All arrogant powers only understand that language.

Zionism is a very narcissistic, aggressive and hateful ideology. It's basically a cult. Their aggressiveness knows no bounds but at the same time, they are dedicated to thinking of themselves as eternal victims. And in their twisted psychology, they really believe that and by extension, their victimhood allows them to victimize others with no bounds.

The main contention between Israel today and the Arab world is the presence of Palestinians in Greater Israel. After Israel achieves its goal of complete ethnic cleansing or removal of the Palestinians, it's goal will then shift to just maintaining complete dominance over its neighbors and making sure all of its neighbors are dysfunctional and weak.

Israel will never have a healthy relationship with its neighbors based on mutual respect.

 

[UKBengali]

I was a big supporter of Pan-Arabism in the past. Unfortunately, it is a dead ideology bro. I don't see how the Arab world can ever get to a place of unity. Even in tiny states, you have so much infighting between different groups.

Nearly all Arab countries are fake artificial entities. The borders are not natural.

Is there a good reason why KSA, Kuwait Jordan and UAE are separate countries?

 

[Meengla]

I was a big supporter of Pan-Arabism in the past. Unfortunately, it is a dead ideology bro. I don't see how the Arab world can ever get to a place of unity. Even in tiny states, you have so much infighting between different groups.

I don't think there is much 'unity' in Latin America or Africa either; it is just that those regions are not part of the Eurasian Continent's big games and so are largely spared the mayhem. But during the Cold War, those regions, along with South East Asia, were not spared of great violence engineered by remote big powers.
Speaking of 'unity', in just little over the last century, Europeans had butchered each other in two major wars. Europe is united right now because they have their Khalifa America which is the binding force plus Germany and France learned the hard way from centuries that it is better to set aside petty differences and improve economies.

 

[_Arabia_]

I was a big supporter of Pan-Arabism in the past. Unfortunately, it is a dead ideology bro. I don't see how the Arab world can ever get to a place of unity. Even in tiny states, you have so much infighting between different groups.

I am unfortunately inclined to agree. For now at least. You know what the most comical thing about all this is? Most Arabs would love it, talk about it all the time, whenever Arabs met from different countries in non-Arab countries we automatically create close bonds and have each others back.


Arabs have been united (part of the same blocs) for most of Islamic history. Even during the Ottoman period, albeit less than half of the Arab world was part of the Ottoman Empire, those that were, were part of the same bloc.

Every Arab revolution/conflict all over the Arab world evokes other Arabs. Even the Palestinians have been doing it all the time. Whether in despair or in hope.

The problem is that we are ruled by unrepresentative regimes who are guided by the rulers priorities and interests before those of the masses. This is what creates schizophrenic policies and lack of coherent long-term goals.

There are a few regional exceptions (GCC) due to shared ideology and system in place (Sunni Arab majority monarchies aligned with the same political bloc in the Arab wrold) but this can't be replicated (same system) in non-monarchies that have far, far fewer resources, smaller economies and living standards.

Arabs in their vast majority by definition are pro-Arab unity in some form or another. From the Pan-Arab secular socialists/nationalists who want a political unification, to the Arab Islamists who want Arab unification in the religious sense rather than ethnic.
Most of us want closer political, economic and military Arab cooperation.
If this was not the case organizations such as the Arab League, that predate the freaking UN, EU, NATO etc. would not have emerged to begin with. It is probably the world's first ethnic regional bloc that came into existence in the modern world.

Have you ever heard about a Slavic political bloc, a Germanic political bloc etc. in comparison. I can only think about the Turkic council which is a recent creation and is incomparable to the Arab bloc, as we are talking about different languages entirely and a landmass that is not even connected.

What has died is the destructive anti-Arab Ba'ath ideology, not Arab patriotism/nationalism. That will never die.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Why are you constantly talking about Iran? They are a irrelevant party here. It is a small country with just 80 million people with a demographic that will only decline in the future (numerous ethnic groups at that too, Arabs included), no ability to remotely win a war against Israel (hence they never starting one to begin with) and with an economy smaller than 10 million big UAE.

Most Iranians, outside of this forum where mostly pro-regime Iranians are present, are pro-Israel and pro-West. The Iranian regime is also not going to rule for much longer.

Iran is irrelevant in wider geopolitics of events in the Arab world. You two @UKBengali are both at it. We get it, you have a soft spot for Iran for whatever reasons, but this is getting ridiculous.

Shame means nothing to shameless!
Which Arab world are you going on about?
The Egyptian Arab world or the Jordanian one? The wrecked Iraq, Libya or Syrian Arab world or the smug and snake Arabs or GCC?

Or the Arab world that couldn't even form a policy in Arab league? The ine that made the only Islamic body defunct?

The one that looks at the lesser Arabs in Gaza?

Most posters here on this forum that isn't even Arab aren't paid... just carry an opinion that is often flawed but is based in the world they've been exposed too...

One where they see Arabs as wretched and corrupt. In for the quick buck and sell their brother out.

I don't want to go on and on but you got the point right? Save your opinion for when it matters and don't mouth off on every single thing said here ... with a holier than thou attitude. Show that where it matters... where you don't have to say it... it is manifest!

 

[_Arabia_]

I don't think there is much 'unity' in Latin America or Africa either; it is just that those regions are not part of the Eurasian Continent's big games and so are largely spared the mayhem. But during the Cold War, those regions, along with South East Asia, were not spared of great violence engineered by remote big powers.
Speaking of 'unity', in just little over the last century, Europeans had butchered each other in two major wars. Europe is united right now because they have their Khalifa America which is the binding force plus Germany and France learned the hard way from centuries that it is better to set aside petty differences and improve economies.

Many non-Arabs think that the only expression of Arab unity is Arab secular nationalist movements (all recent in nature as most political movements of the world) such as Nasserism and Baa'athism. This is a very wrong and ignorant way of looking at how Arabs perceive unity. In many ways the Arab world is already a unified 1400 + year old cultural sphere with a common language, history (in most of the region since ancient times), religion (s), art, cuisine and everything that defines a culture. Hence the concept of an Arab world to begin with. Of course in this huge geography there are a large number of distinct cultures like in any large and as storied and rich in terms of civilizations and history, an area like the Arab world.

What is lacking is the political and economic unification. Follow ultimately by the military aspect. Like how the Europeans and Westerners united using EU, NATO etc. even though they are far more divided than Arabs given their 100's of different ethnic groups, languages, countries etc.

But they were more clever and united based on a common overall Christian, cultural and political (most importantly = democracy and liberalism/capitalism) sphere. That is where the Arabs and by the extension Muslims have failed utterly to do something similar.

 

[_Arabia_]

Shame means nothing to shameless!
Which Arab world are you going on about?
The Egyptian Arab world or the Jordanian one? The wrecked Iraq, Libya or Syrian Arab world or the smug and snake Arabs or GCC?

Or the Arab world that couldn't even form a policy in Arab league? The ine that made the only Islamic body defunct?

The one that looks at the lesser Arabs in Gaza?

Most posters here on this forum that isn't even Arab aren't paid... just carry an opinion that is often flawed but is based in the world they've been exposed too...

One where they see Arabs as wretched and corrupt. In for the quick buck and sell their brother out.

I don't want to go on and on but you got the point right? Save your opinion for when it matters and don't mouth off on every single thing said here ... with a holier than thou attitude. Show that where it matters... where you don't have to say it... it is manifest!

Look, you can adopt all the anti-Arab (ignorant at that too mostly) positions you want to. That does not change an ounce of the history here at hand or the fact that it has only been Arabs so far that have done anything for Palestine in terms of going to war and taking must of the burden which is only natural and expected.

As for the rest, what you wrote, everything (disunity) can be applied to the wider Muslim world and if you actually bothered to read what I actually write instead of what you would like me to write, then you would clearly notice, that I am very critical and on the same page as you in terms of this needing to change.

As for payroll, you a guy that uses 2 American flags, and who hides his identity, must be the one on payroll, not me who plays with open cards (as everyone can see) and is freely criticizing every single party involved, including my "own".

So don't speak or lecture me about attitudes when you clearly have a major problem yourself in this regard.