Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Meengla]

Yes as that is the only chance to free the ME from Zio-US boot.

Let's face it the resistance is finished for now and Iran will likely focus on surviving and rebuilding its national strength for the next 5-10 years at least.

And when did I say "anytime soon"?

They will probably only be a factor 10 years from now and that will create an "opening" for countries like Iran to get strong enough to challenge the Zio-US.

China is not going to fight in the ME as that is fundamental misunderstanding of the way China sees itself in the region.

You may want to see some of the exchanges between me and some of the Chinese posters(@tower9 ) in the "Syrian Civil War" thread to get an understanding of where China comes in and how critical it is in the future balance of power in the ME.

I'd rather not deal with the hypotheticals in this thread which is specific to the Gazan conflict and its short term outcome/impact. I saw some posts by @tower9 about China in this thread and they were sound arguments. I did say more than once that America can throw the Ukraine and the Taiwan bones to Russia and China in some Big Power games.
Much like avoiding the future potential roles of China or Russia, I had intentionally avoided bringing in the Scriptures, the arrival of 'Mehdi', the predictions of scholars/clergy from now or decades ago and I have even tried not to engage too much about the History of the Israeli presence. Similarly, I didn't put much weight in the ICC/ICJ, boycott/divestment movements, protests on the streets of the world, the bad Israeli 'image' etc etc. To me, what mattered was the on the ground conflicts and thus I watched closely posts by the members like @Persian Gulf and a few others who kept updating us. And unfortunately, the actual conflict is wrapping up short term at least.

 

[UKBengali]

I'd rather not deal with the hypotheticals in this thread which is specific to the Gazan conflict and its short term outcome/impact. I saw some posts by @tower9 about China in this thread and they were sound arguments. I did say more than once that America can throw the Ukraine and the Taiwan bones to Russia and China in some Big Power games.
Much like avoiding the future potential roles of China or Russia, I had intentionally avoided bringing in the Scriptures, the arrival of 'Mehdi', the predictions of scholars/clergy from now or decades ago and I have even tried not to engage too much about the History of the Israeli presence. Similarly, I didn't put much weight in the ICC/ICJ, boycott/divestment movements, protests on the streets of the world, the bad Israeli 'image' etc etc. To me, what mattered was the on the ground conflicts and thus I watched closely posts by the members like @Persian Gulf and a few others who kept updating us. And unfortunately, the actual conflict is wrapping up short term at least.

Taiwan is not the US's to "offer" in exchange. China will walk in when it feels like the time is right for it. That is not a "bargaining chip" the US has. Irrelevant to China whether Taiwan comes back next year or 5 years later.

Yes we can both agree the resistance is done for now.

The most important things right now are international boycotts and ICC arrest warrants. They may not be much but better than nothing.

They(resistance) can try again in 5-10 years from now if the world geopolitical situation changes more in their favour.

 

[Meengla]

They(resistance) can try again in 5-10 years from now if the world geopolitical situation changes more in their favour.

Yes, some kind of attacks on Israel will happen and probably with more lethality than ever before. All the factions, ethnicities and faiths in the Middle East and the Islamic world, as divided as they are, remain united against Israel. And Israel's own presence is very fragile--all too dependent on its influence and lobbies in America.
This latest conflict would have probably ended 'Israel' as we know it if only the Americans remained neutral. Even Israel's nukes would not have saved Israel.

 

[UKBengali]

Yes, some kind of attacks on Israel will happen and probably with more lethality than ever before. All the factions, ethnicities and faiths in the Middle East and the Islamic world, as divided as they are, remain united against Israel. And Israel's own presence is very fragile--all too dependent on its influence and lobbies in America.
This latest conflict would have probably ended 'Israel' as we know it if only the Americans remained neutral. Even Israel's nukes would not have saved Israel.

Iran is heavily sanctioned and has no modern airforce and so that is why it has not responded more forcefully and we do not know whether it will ever carry out TP3.

At least the world has seen the Zionist entity for what it is and I don't think that people will just "move on" and forget about the genocide quickly.

No one serious will say anymore it is a "liberal western democracy" as the entity has been claiming about itself for decades. Those tik-toks bragging about war crimes will always be available.

 

[Falcon29]

Palestinian Authority, Arab and Israeli-American propaganda is at play right now. They will claim they're attacking Palestinians to disarm them so a two-state solution can move forward. Apparently you can't own a gun at all as a Palestinain, in your own country, or else according to Jewish terrorists, you're preventing peace. But the Jew terrorists can go invade and annex your land through force and it's a gesture of peace.

 

[Falcon29]

Palestinian Authority, Arab and Israeli-American propaganda is at play right now. They will claim they're attacking Palestinians to disarm them so a two-state solution can move forward. Apparently you can't own a gun at all as a Palestinain, in your own country, or else according to Jewish terrorists, you're preventing peace. But the Jew terrorists can go invade and annex your land through force and it's a gesture of peace.

This dirty Jewish propaganda has gotten into the heads of people and made them self-hating/self-defeating. Now the retarded and treacherous Palestinian Authority is attacking the Jenin refugee camp and killing its residents. So by the end of this. There won't be a single gun in our land. And then the Jewish terrorists will turn around and say too bad, we don't care, we were just making excuses and now we will effortlessly annex the West Bank.

 

[tower9]

Taiwan is not the US's to "offer" in exchange. China will walk in when it feels like the time is right for it. That is not a "bargaining chip" the US has. Irrelevant to China whether Taiwan comes back next year or 5 years later.

Yes we can both agree the resistance is done for now.

The most important things right now are international boycotts and ICC arrest warrants. They may not be much but better than nothing.

They(resistance) can try again in 5-10 years from now if the world geopolitical situation changes more in their favour.

People don’t understand that the only thing preventing China from taking back Taiwan have little to do with military capability.

The biggest threat are economic sanctions and financial/economic/tech isolation. That’s why China is ramping up its independence in these areas. It isn’t in a rush as it grows stronger every year.

Once China achieves independence and even a dominating position in these fields, it will just take Taiwan back. There is actually a good chance that it can even pull a Syria on Taiwan as many of the ROC’s generals actually hate Taiwan independence and are still Chinese patriots. There is a good chance they will just open the gates of Taiwan to the PLA without firing a bullet.

 

[Falcon29]

This dirty Jewish propaganda has gotten into the heads of people and made them self-hating/self-defeating. Now the retarded and treacherous Palestinian Authority is attacking the Jenin refugee camp and killing its residents. So by the end of this. There won't be a single gun in our land. And then the Jewish terrorists will turn around and say too bad, we don't care, we were just making excuses and now we will effortlessly annex the West Bank.

Spokesman for the Authority's security services:

We launched the penultimate phase of Operation “Homeland Protection” in Jenin Camp at 5:00 AM, with the aim of reclaiming Jenin Camp from the control of outlaws.

Dozens of injuries in Jenin camp

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[tower9]

Yes, some kind of attacks on Israel will happen and probably with more lethality than ever before. All the factions, ethnicities and faiths in the Middle East and the Islamic world, as divided as they are, remain united against Israel. And Israel's own presence is very fragile--all too dependent on its influence and lobbies in America.
This latest conflict would have probably ended 'Israel' as we know it if only the Americans remained neutral. Even Israel's nukes would not have saved Israel.

They are united in rhetoric against Israel. However based on their behavior, the Arabs and Turks largely stand by Israel. Even Sisi just had a secret meeting with Israel where he begged them for rescue in case his people overthrow him.

 

[tower9]

Spokesman for the Authority's security services:

We launched the penultimate phase of Operation “Homeland Protection” in Jenin Camp at 5:00 AM, with the aim of reclaiming Jenin Camp from the control of outlaws.

Dozens of injuries in Jenin camp

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What do you expect from the PA when Abbas is kept in power as a figurehead and he literally boasts about how much he loves Israel and Israeli music.

 

[UKBengali]

The biggest threat are economic sanctions and financial/economic/tech isolation. That’s why China is ramping up its independence in these areas. It isn’t in a rush as it grows stronger every year.

I don't even think this is an issue anymore as doing this to China will bring down the west itself economically.

Here in the UK the living standards of the average man and woman is being completely decimated with each passing year - most people struggle to just about afford the basics(food, transport, housing, utilities) and taxes just keep rising with each passing year.

China can wait and simply does not want to kill people who it considers kith and kin.

Why rush when time is on your side anyway?

 

[Falcon29]

Meanwhile, Jewish terrorists that are referred to as 'settlers' (they aren't, they would be killed for trespassing if they were, they're Jewish terrorists backed and protected by the Jewish terrorist army known as the 'IDF' ) are enacting outposts on Palestinain land to later claim ownership over the land and build Jewish colonies in Ramallah:

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[Falcon29]

Meanwhile, Jewish terrorists that are referred to as 'settlers' (they aren't, they would be killed for trespassing if they were, they're Jewish terrorists backed and protected by the Jewish terrorist army known as the 'IDF' ) are enacting outposts on Palestinain land to later claim ownership over the land and build Jewish colonies in Ramallah:

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The United States knows the extent of material support and backing the Israeli backing provides and advances for this Jewish terrorist 'settler' movement but refuses to sanction the Israeli government for it.

 

[Falcon29]

When are we gonna call Jewish terrorism for what it is? Why does US media refuse to address Jewish Fundementalist Terrorism?

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[tower9]

I don't even think this is an issue anymore as doing this to China will bring down the west itself economically.

Here in the UK the living standards of the average man and woman is being completely decimated with each passing year - most people struggle to just about afford the basics(food, transport, housing, utilities) and taxes just keep rising with each passing year.

China can wait and simply does not want to kill people who it considers kith and kin.

Why rush when time is on your side anyway?

Exactly, that’s my point. The living standards in Western countries, especially outside of the US, have fallen precipitously. Imagine if the EU is forced to ban Chinese goods just like how they ban Russian oil. They will end up paying 3x more for the same goods through a third party like Vietnam and their living standards would completely collapse.

Compared to just four years ago, Germany and Japan, the two major industrial allies of the US, have basically collapsed as competitive industrial economies. China has soundly beaten the two of them with cutting edge tech, more advanced production, cheap energy costs, better quality products and more competitive pricing. By 2030, Germany and Japan will be totally irrelevant.

Ten years from now when China achieves domination in the high end tech space for things like semiconductors, the West will probably just weakly protest and place a few useless sanctions when Taiwan is recovered.

And I seriously doubt blood would even be spilled. Just look at the Zhuhai air show and how many retired Taiwanese military brass were there. They were ecstatic about China’s military advancements, just goes to show the mentality of the Taiwanese military. If the CIA ever gets the DPP to declare independence unilaterally, the Chinese navy will blockade Taiwan and the Taiwanese military themselves will walk in and perform a coup.