Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[FHN]

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[battalion25]

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Some ppl are extremely bitter of the fall of Assad that they want Israel to have Syria and supporting them.. Dreaming about it.. They will be disappointed however

 

[mulj]

Indonesia's model is too secular for these guys. Its more Malaysia. Malaysia has an officially declared place for the religion in the state rather than Pancasila.

It is all speculation right now but even that gives some positive impression as they are trying to cover as much is possible for field play, effort worth supporting as it is light mile in comparation what they inherited.
What worries me how would Arab world react on any form of plural and considerate political system, especially proven successful.

 

[Tamerlane]

Doesn’t matter. As of this time Russia is helping the anti Zionist cause and Turkey is helping the Zionists. These are just irrefutable facts.

Also I don’t see the conflict between the west and Russia drawing down anytime soon to the point that Russia will start siding with the west. I don’t see this happening for at least 20 years. Russia has lost a lot of men and they are extremely angry about it. This doesn’t just go away overnight.

But where do you see the Russians helping the anti-Zionist cause? In Syria they sat and did nothing to stop daily Israeli bombing of Syria. I didn't see them do anything to help the people in Gaza. Some of the most vicious Zionist Jews in Israel are Russian citizens who're always welcome in Russia. The list of Russian pro-Zionist behavior is endless.

I used to read Russia Today (RT) until I got sick and tired of the constant flow of Islamophobic articles while at the some time they keep posting pro-Indian articles. RT is no different than Zionist owned media in America.

A country that is historically an enemy of Islam and still is today (Russia) to be preferred by some Muslims over a Muslim country (Turkey) that is has been the defender of Islam for the last 800 years is stupidity of the first order.

Maybe Russia can be a loyal junior partner of China but it's not a savior of Muslims like some seem to fantasise.

 

[EugeneP]

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Wow, that is a lot of cash. Syrians can take that and start a business.

 

[UKBengali]

Assad hates being tied to one patron. Improving ties with UAE was part of that strategy of not being reliant on either just Iran or Russia

Improving ties with Abu Dhabi convinced Assad that should things deteriorate he now access to a rich , powerful and resourceful capital that can come to his defense should things take a turn for the worse.

Salaries of the Syrian army officer class was barely US$ 30 a month. Conscripts were making US$10. Senior officers were letting their subordinates stay home to collect their salaries to make ends meet. The army was hollowed on the inside and precious few were left to fight.

No one seems to talk about the role of UAE in Syria now that Assad is gone. What have they done all these times?

UAE needs the US for protection.

It is in no position to offer any protection for Assad in that case.

Whatever he was talking to UAE about was not at the expense of Iran or Russia.

 

[Snake]

There are 2 factors on any military base outside their area of control. The need and the mean. You need a reason to have a base outside your region, and you need a way to support it if you are setting up base outside your domain. China lacked both. I mean for what would the Chinese need a base for? They are not planning to bomb Africa or have boots on the ground in the middle east. They aren't part of any side of the conflict in any region beside theirs.

Let's say there are two factors - what is the need for the US to have bases in Saudi Arabia and/or other ME countries?

Unlike the US China is dependent on oil coming from that area of the world it would make total sense for China to secure energy supply routes in case of emergency. Another need is to protect its interest for the BRI specifically in East Africa. China's technology industry can be supplemented by minerals from Congo, Zambia, Angola via a railways and ports in Tanzania:

On the other hand, even if they do, how are they going to supply and support such a base? Unlike US, France and the UK, China don't really have overseas territories, which mean the tail of the log train ALWAYS go back to China, which mean for the Djibouti base, all their supplies and stock have to come directly from China (Not talking about food and water and etc). They can do that there because first of all, it's peace time and all sea route are open, and second of all, it's just 1 base, they can afford to keep sending ship from China to support that base, it would have been another issue if you are talking about multiple base in the region.

This is like a "chicken or the egg" problem. If China has more bases then they would be linked and the means to support them would become more feasible. They have control over Sri Lanka's Hambantota and a base in Djibouti adding one in the middle (perhaps Oman) would facilitate supplies between the three. Even though it is peace time the Chinese would like to keep it that way - as the saying goes "if you want peace prepare for war".

Regarding the territories of US, France, UK - they have no business claiming those islands and should be evicted.

Unless China starts blasting away and become a colonial power and start annexing territories here and there, there are no need nor mean to support any oversea structure. And if they really do start doing this, you would imagine who will be on the receiving end of Chinese colonial ambition? It's going to be in the middle east and Africa again...

I agree China does not have "colonial" ambitions but as US and allies try to constrain China then China will want to escape those constraints. Reality is it probably will be ME and Africa at the "receiving end" of those ambitions, there is no escaping Thucydides' trap.

 

[ghazi52]

Turkiye to reopen embassy in Syria as diplomats gather for talks​

DAMASCUS: Turkiye was set to reopen its embassy in Damascus on Saturday, nearly a week after president Bashar...

 

[FHN]

Let's say there are two factors - what is the need for the US to have bases in Saudi Arabia and/or other ME countries?

Unlike the US China is dependent on oil coming from that area of the world it would make total sense for China to secure energy supply routes in case of emergency. Another need is to protect its interest for the BRI specifically in East Africa. China's technology industry can be supplemented by minerals from Congo, Zambia, Angola via a railways and ports in Tanzania:
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This is like a "chicken or the egg" problem. If China has more bases then they would be linked and the means to support them would become more feasible. They have control over Sri Lanka's Hambantota and a base in Djibouti adding one in the middle (perhaps Oman) would facilitate supplies between the three. Even though it is peace time the Chinese would like to keep it that way - as the saying goes "if you want peace prepare for war".

Regarding the territories of US, France, UK - they have no business claiming those islands and should be evicted.



I agree China does not have "colonial" ambitions but as US and allies try to constrain China then China will want to escape those constraints. Reality is it probably will be ME and Africa at the "receiving end" of those ambitions, there is no escaping Thucydides' trap.

I do believe china will eventually have more naval bases in Africa as Chinese navy expands in scope and scale. Rn china is building up all the infrastructures for that

 

[Sinan]

Syria and Iraq independent for sure.

Iran and maybe Turkey are too strong.

However Turkey can be "cut down to size" by Syrian-Iraqi Kurdish "state". They could provide shelter, arms and training to Turkish Kurds.

This is simply a perfect opportunity to control and threaten Turkey in future all thanks to our resident clown Erdogan.

You have some logical issues.

You are going to cut NATO's second strongest country, the strongest country in the region which has nearly a million soldiers and all their male citizens are received military training with some ragtag militias?

It would be more logical if you have said, sun is going to rise up in purple color tomorrow.

Edit: I changed my mind, this is my fault that i'm spending my time with reading non-sense in this forum.

 

[muhammed45]

Syria will devolve into eternal chaos with extremist violent groups constantly infighting. Israel will take advantage of the chaos and continually invade and bite off more territory. When they bomb Syria, they will point to the dysfunction of the society and say “Look, these Muslims are Stone Age animals, we are representing civilization, bombing them is the only way to deal with these animals.”

It’s so sad to see Syria, once one of the most enlightened, multi cultural and intellectual regions of the Arab world being reduced to a battleground between factions of backward psychopaths.

You cannot make a human of a donkey by loading a tonne of books on the back of that poor donkey.

I occasionally come to this conclusion that time is the best teacher. Esp, if you want to make a donkey understand.

 

[hyperman]

What worries me how would Arab world react on any form of plural and considerate political system, especially proven successful.

Emiratis(and by this I mean the regime and its sycophants not the people overall) are probably screeching like Hyenas, b/c what they want to Them with their brutal repression and Zionist normalization on one hand but with the added veneer of a hedonistic Dubai type "benevolence", and then a Daesh type of entity on the other, and thats how they wish to portray it to both the outside non muslim world and even many diseased minds in the Muslim world. Where essentially its a case of yeah I a despotic corrupt tyrant, but I offer a "benevolent despotism", look what these muslims will do if you let them govern themselves, this is a better model and "safer" for you and I work towards your interests, just as long as you don't interfere with my rule.

For these types a successful reasonable muslim governance by devout muslims, by popular consent is and not tyrannical and oppressive is a very scary prospect. Which they attempt to snuff out in the most violent ways, as they did in Egypt, As they are doing in Sudan. And even in Tunisia, they are responsible in engineering that coup against Ennahda with Qais Saeed, they bought all the local media in Tunisia and then made a deal with Saeed to prop him up. This is why they fear the AK Party influence and the Ikhwaan associated with them in the periphery. Its a challenge to their order.

They are freaking out and plotting how to undermine the Syrian opposition or to destroy Syria overall if needed, to prevent it and to use that as an example in their polemics.

 

[The SC]

Top secret
A mission order issued by Branch 280 of the ousted Bashar al-Assad's gangs was found, assigning the Syrian Democratic Forces (PKK) to carry out tasks on his behalf.
SDF is nothing but a cheap tool used by Bashar al-Assad to serve his interests.

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[hyperman]

Some ppl are extremely bitter of the fall of Assad that they want Israel to have Syria and supporting them.. Dreaming about it.. They will be disappointed however

They are secretly hoping that the worst of the worst happens rather than a positive thing, Purely out of Ego. A validation of themselves is worth more than the wellbeing of Syrians.