Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[hyperman]

Lol. With what?

Zionist F-15s and F-35s would establish total air supremacy over the battlefield.

I don't think 1990s era Turkish F-16s with just AIM-120Cs would be any more than shooting practice for the Zionist air force.

Also is the US going to be happy about this?

you are a mental slave to these zionists if you think they are some unstoppable force.

Why bother with "resistance" then in the first place? lol if you feel you are going to die no matter what.

They are not going to do what you think they will do. fighting extended is very different than fighting a war on your own border.

 

[HAIDER]

All airbases empty, everything was left unmanned.

here is a problem: when the Iran revolution came, military and technical crew hold the ground and protected the assets. But in Syria, first CIA bought all the top Assad generals ...as usual, and then with the help of Turkey injected hardcore elements, who destroyed the assets so at the end all specialists flew out of the country or went underground ... and noticed all anti Assad group destroyed the assets with pride and later Isreal did the final job. Dumb and emotional people can easily be manipulated to shot in the foot .... lol

 

[tower9]

But where do you see the Russians helping the anti-Zionist cause? In Syria they sat and did nothing to stop daily Israeli bombing of Syria. I didn't see them do anything to help the people in Gaza. Some of the most vicious Zionist Jews in Israel are Russian citizens who're always welcome in Russia. The list of Russian pro-Zionist behavior is endless.

I used to read Russia Today (RT) until I got sick and tired of the constant flow of Islamophobic articles while at the some time they keep posting pro-Indian articles. RT is no different than Zionist owned media in America.

A country that is historically an enemy of Islam and still is today (Russia) to be preferred by some Muslims over a Muslim country (Turkey) that is has been the defender of Islam for the last 800 years is stupidity of the first order.

Maybe Russia can be a loyal junior partner of China but it's not a savior of Muslims like some seem to fantasise.

Russia has provided a good amount of aid and support to Iran. By proxy that helps Hezbollah and the Houthis.

No Russia is not anti Israel or really a friend of the Muslims but it does provide options that by extension is a net positive for the resistance. It’s definitely not working on behalf of Israel unlike most of the other actors.

 

[UKBengali]

you are a mental slave to these zionists if you think they are some unstoppable force.

Why bother with "resistance" then in the first place? lol

They are not going to do what you think they will do. fighting extended is very different than fighting a war on your own border.

Look, I would love TuAF to shoot down Zionist fighters.

I would take back everything I said about Turkey/Erdogan overthrowing Assad and show massive respect.

However please be realistic.

1990s era F-16s with AIM-120C cannot fight F-35A with AIM-120D.

It matters little the Jews would need to fly from hundreds of kms away as they have all of Syria airspace cleared now to place refuelling tankers in.

 

[tower9]

Don't even worry about it. Russia knows if china is finished then it will be next on the chopping block. No one understands china more than Putin himself.

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There is nothing to worry about.

Mutual interest is the best predictor of behavior.

Russia won’t betray China unless they are suicidal. So it’s as simple as that.

 

[UKBengali]

There is nothing to worry about.

Mutual interest is the best predictor of behavior.

Russia won’t betray China unless they are suicidal. So it’s as simple as that.

The white neanderthal racists around Trump are going to learn a cold hard reality about world geopolitics soon.

 

[Ravenman]

Ok believe what you want. The actual facts say otherwise.

If Turkey was pro-zionist, they would get the 100 F35’s that they ordered and their archenemy the PKK/SDF/YPG would never get sponsored by the US.

What did that Israeli general said two years ago in that leaked report?

“Iran can be contained. The real problem is Turkey.”

They dont like Muslim nations with a domestic defense industry, like Turkey, Pakistan and Iran.

They like Egypt, Jordan, KSA, UAE.

So the only coalition that can beat the American-Israeli warmachine, is a trilateral coalition of PakTurAn (Pakistan-Turkey-Iran).

 

[UKBengali]

If Turkey was pro-zionist, they would get the 100 F35’s that they ordered and their archenemy the PKK/SDF/YPG would never get sponsored by the US.

What did that Israeli general said two years ago in that leaked report?

“Iran can be contained. The real problem is Turkey.”

They dont like Muslim nations with a domestic defense industry, like Turkey, Pakistan and Iran.

They like Egypt, Jordan, KSA, UAE.

So the only coalition that can beat the American-Israeli warmachine, is a trilateral coalition of PakTurAn (Pakistan-Turkey-Iran).

Problem is that Turkey and Iran are too busy competing with each other and Pakistan is always broke and needs IMF loans.

 

[Snake]

What is the need for US Central Command?? You will have your answer if you know the answer to this question.

I can understand the desire for US centcom. But what's the need for it? I'm genuinely not aware, if you are, please share the reasons.

Any supply route to those bases in the middle east is going have to go thru the strait of Malacca, which mean if there is a case that China need to fight in the middle east, they would have to secure the transit right thru the strait and keep it open to Chinese Naval Traffic.

Not necessarily true. One of the reasons for CPEC is to bypass the Malacca via Pakistan. Another option is the Sunda strait in Indonesia which would allow China to access another base in Hambantota.

Overall this is a discussion of hypotheticals but we do agree that China may have a use for bases in the region.

As I mentioned before, it would have been fine if China have those base in peace time, once it is not, there will be a problem to supply a base that far, that is the reason why USSR abandoned the idea to have a permanent base in Cuba after the Cuban Missile Crisis, because they know they can't support a base that far from their influence even if Cuba is aligned to USSR

This is not true. The US and USSR agreed that USSR would remove missiles from Cuba and US would remove Jupiter missiles from Turkey in exchange. The USSR upheld their end of the bargain while the US did not.

The problem is, colonial rule is a very old concept it doesn't apply to modern or contemporary politics, the reason why US, France and the UK (And in some degree, Australia) still have overseas territories is because they have it for so long, those people actually identify themselves as colonial subject, I mean ask people from Falkland, Guam, Puerto Rico or Christmas Island (Australian Territories near Indonesia) and they will identify themselves as British, American and Australian respectively even as Falkland is just 200km from Argentina, Guam and Puerto Rico official language is not even English and the population of Christmas Island is exclusively Asian. If you start a colonial war now, they will fight you to death like they did in Afghanistan (Both Time) Vietnam, and Ukraine. This is because the concept of a nation is more define post WW2 after UN was established. Which mean there are only economic cooperation mean, or China suddenly decided to invade some country far ahead in order to secure their national interested.

I don't disagree with this what I will say is China is somewhat bypassing the "traditional colonial rule" by using debt diplomacy. Hambantota is an example. There is another option as well - earlier in this discussion the other poster I was discussing with mentioned the US was invited by some countries to hold a base. A similar agreement could be made with China. We're getting into hypotheticals again - to summarize I don't disagree a lot of the bases are a legacy of the colonial era but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the only way to get them.

 

[hyperman]

here is a problem: when the Iran revolution came, military and technical crew hold the ground and protected the assets. But in Syria, first CIA bought all the top Assad generals ...as usual, and then with the help of Turkey injected hardcore elements, who destroyed the assets so at the end all specialists flew out of the country or went underground ... and noticed all anti Assad group destroyed the assets with pride and later Isreal did the final job. Dumb and emotional people can easily be manipulated to shot in the foot .... lol

The Shah fled, Assad decided he would burn the country. The dynamics are a little bit different, as Assad's military are overwhelmingly from his Sect, so they were determined to follow him, morose than if it was not like that.

The people in Iran weren't attacking the army, there were never any war, and it was a swift revolution.

Apples and Oranges. lol

 

[Ali_Baba]

Question - if Turkey and Israel do clash over Syria and potentially exchange blows, where does that put Pakistan given historical statements about coming to each others help in need?

 

[HAIDER]

The Shah fled, Assad decided he would burn the country. The dynamics are a little bit different, as Assad's military are overwhelmingly from his Sect, so they were determined to follow him, morose than if it was not like that.

The people in Iran weren't attacking the army, there were never any war, and it was a swift revolution.

Apples and Oranges. lol

Well, Assad fought the foreign feed democratic movement and armed insurgency, just like what Iraq faced for years of ISIL brutality. Assad pretty much left intact defense assets. Later Israel carried out 500 sorties and turned to dust. 500 means he left a lot of defense equipment and was functional.

 

[FHN]

Question - if Turkey and Israel do clash over Syria and potentially exchange blows, where does that put Pakistan given historical statements about coming to each others help in need?

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[tower9]

If Turkey was pro-zionist, they would get the 100 F35’s that they ordered and their archenemy the PKK/SDF/YPG would never get sponsored by the US.

What did that Israeli general said two years ago in that leaked report?

“Iran can be contained. The real problem is Turkey.”

They dont like Muslim nations with a domestic defense industry, like Turkey, Pakistan and Iran.

They like Egypt, Jordan, KSA, UAE.

So the only coalition that can beat the American-Israeli warmachine, is a trilateral coalition of PakTurAn (Pakistan-Turkey-Iran).

Israel doesn’t have to like Turkey for Turkey to cooperate with Israel for its own benefit.

You can give me all of the quotes or instances of when Turkey and Israel said mean things about one another, I only care about the actual behavior and results.

Turkey’s actions have only helped Israel and has not hurt Israel. So what does that tell me?

 

[hyperman]

Look, I would love TuAF to shoot down Zionist fighters.

I would take back everything I said about Turkey/Erdogan overthrowing Assad and show massive respect.

However please be realistic.

1990s era F-16s with AIM-120C cannot fight F-35A with AIM-120D.

It matters little the Jews would need to fly from hundreds of kms away as they have all of Syria airspace cleared now to place refuelling tankers in.

Listen...

Russia has failed to achieve Air Superiority over Ukraine, and I assure you, Israeli capabilities to fight a long range war against Turkey on its own Border, do not exceed Russian capabilities fighting the war on their own border. And Turkey is far stronger than Ukraine, I assure you of this much.

You also haven't taken into account that the Israelis have been fighting a year's worth of war, and are not at the same capacity to fight Turkey in a full on war for the PKK, when they have 3 fronts active against them with Iran, Houthis, Hezbollah, plus the bogged down element in Gaza.

You have this delusion of some sort of Unspeakable Supremacy of the Zionist entity, in which case what are you wasting time with "resistance", just go worship them, instead of god, since they seem to be some sort of equivalent in might to you.

The israelis are not dumb enough to go on an adventure like this. lol they like fights where they have overwhelming strength not where the results could be inconclusive or where they might lose.

You mention tankers, those tankers will not survive to be able to support a long range mission. Turkey has long range Surface to Air missiles(S-400) and several other methods of denial. AWACS and EW aircraft.

This is a war on turkey's borders, and Turkey produces its own munitions and has strategic depth. i assure you, the price is far too high for Netanyahu to go on any Unilateral adventure this deep into the Middle east where they have to fight on turkey's borders. If there was ever a need for this, why would rather try to convince the US to do their dirty work for them, rather than act unilaterally in such a foolish war, where the result is inconclusive at best or an outright disaster for them.