Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

you are saying Israel is a lost cause because Gaza war proved Israel is a unsafe haven for western jews?

status quo!
Israel held unparalleled deterrance in the region. Embodiment and manifestation of western hegemony in the region. That is no longer the case...
Israel celebrated the aliyah to Israel from all corners of the west, paragon of semites... a Jewish utopia. Is it?
The myth and narrative it was established under no longer holds true either... no longer do the slogans "a land without people for a people without land" are parroted... even by resident zionists on this forum. Who still refrain from the "If I don't steal it someone else will!" But that was yesteryear. The utopia needed constant uninterrupted support from its patron in US... that stands exposed, shaky at best... and minions on pedestals must reassure outloud. The all too vaunted and cherished AD... the shield of utopia... exposed! The most moral, again. In fact bring forth any narrative that still holds true.

How will a Salafi controlled Syria be detrimental for Israel? Its a irregular militia that can be bombed relentlessy in similar fashion like Gaza.

How are barricaded, calorie controlled prisoners of concentration camp exited and 2 years later stand? Remember, combined Arab armies fought wars and lost in days... signed documents of humiliation and sit idle for the only ones that actually resist.
It isn't building and manufacturing that matters when a cancer is spreading among you... you start from the bottom or hit bottom before rising. All that bling will return once tumor is excised!

Are you saying the US have lost appetite for using more $$$ to protect Israel?

Just trying to get grip on you POV

US is hemorrhaging! It is fishing in the future to maintain a colony now... you may not get it but it is in a permanent state of indenture for NO gains... the vultures are only showing a mirage in the desert sands... it is siphoning bottom of the barrel. Launching missiles on armed, the price of each could raise a child in the US.
The US only pays because for now the illusion still remains strong. You saw what happened in Afghanistan and Syria... before that in Soviet Union. Everyone mans his spot as long as the payroll runs. The ones who replace will nodoubt be ideologues, volunteers, unpaid even!

 

[UKBengali]

The Palestinian sovereignty was never to be 'given' except 'earned' through violence and since 1979 Iran supported Palestine in ways where the Iranian economy and its scientists, citizens and 'image' got a lot of hits. And IF Iran is now changing that long policy then why did they begin that policy? I believe there was a genuine desire to help the Palestinians but also to project the Iranian power in the region but were they not aware of their limits? They were taking on NATO, Israel, American allies in Europe and even in South Korea, and also the GCC Arabs by doing following that policy. You don't see most countries punching above their weight. It seems that unlike Middle Eastern countries, most countries don't do strategic over-reach. India doesn't attack Pakistan and vice versa. Pakistan can certainly develop ICBMs but knows the consequences and has really no need for that: Pakistan is not anti-West and the West knows that, social media noise notwithstanding.

You win some lose some. It is not always about knowing exactly how a fight like this will turn out.

If one or two things went different like Iran and Hezbollah retaliated harder then things could now be so different.

Some of us said that the "reactive approach" that both Iran and especially Hezbollah took would put them at a disadvantage way back in November/December last year,

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

You believe too much in conspiracies like JFK

Missing farm for the grass. It is insinuation rather then details, veracity or claims...

 

[EugeneP]

Trump's so-called vaunted Non-War approach is fake. If the October 2023 attacks happened under Trump's watch then there would have been similar, if not more, support to Israel than Biden. Yes, Trump is a 'businessman' a 'deal maker' blah blah but not when it comes to the Middle East. Under him, there were already reckless and stupid actions like the killing of Sulaimani and many other actions.
Not saying YOU are saying that but those who believe Trump is some antiwar are ignorant and even stupid when it comes to the Middle East. He's likely to destroy the Middle East using the full might of the American power by diverting resources away from Ukraine, in order to buttress Israel's position AND his cadre would be fully behind him!



More confident? It was until the locals realized Gaza is a lost cause without an imminent and strong northern front.

I think Trump foreign policy is fairly easy to sketch:
1. He will be very reluctant to start any war. Very unlike GHW Bush or GW Bush. There wouldn't have been Iraq wars in 1991 or 2003 with Trump.
2. He will work hard to extricate out of Ukraine, like he did out of Afghanistan during first term. He won't care much for long term consequences etc.; He is the ultimate short termer.
3. With respect to Israel, it will be: we won't bother you, do what you need. There is a lot of criticism against Biden for not doing more, but actually Biden did the best that is politically possible to restrain Netanyahu, to the extent that they have bad blood between them. With Trump, they will sleep in the same bed.
4. With the rest of the world, mostly press the ignore button except Tariffs and deportations of illegals.

 

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[Meengla]

3. With respect to Israel, it will be: we won't bother you, do what you need. There is a lot of criticism against Biden for not doing more, but actually Biden did the best that is politically possible to restrain Netanyahu, to the extent that they have bad blood between them. With Trump, they will sleep in the same bed.

Bolded parts. You forgot to add 'we will give you anything, including carpet bombing whatever you need us to do'.
In case of Biden, the genocidal hypocrite, there was at least about 15-20% of his political 'base' against Israel and that reflected in the 19 Democratic Senators strongly voting against Israel, which was a large number considering there were about 50 Democratic Senators. So even though Biden is a self-proclaimed Biggest Zionist in the World, he at least had some people trying to talk sense to him. In case of Trump: His cadre and he himself think 'Palestinians' don't exist or are a slur word. Trump being a straight talker is not necessarily a virtue: One can be openly jerk but still a jerk!
But I guess you and I are on the same page here.

 

[Shawnee]

Palestine is finished cause, Abas is asking weapons from jews to fight Hamas in West bank.
Region is mostly weak, divided and under firm control by jews.
From real political perspective situation is bad without perspective for changing situation in better direction.
I had my hope in AoR but was proven that they are not military capable to contain jews from obtaining their goals altough i commend their effort and try anyway as it is questionable when the next military resistance will take shape in any form.
I wish i am wrong.

Palestine, Gaza and Hamas are not finished.

We shall see

 

[UKBengali]

Bolded parts. You forgot to add 'we will give you anything, including carpet bombing whatever you need us to do'.
In case of Biden, the genocidal hypocrite, there was at least about 15-20% of his political 'base' against Israel and that reflected in the 19 Democratic Senators strongly voting against Israel, which was a large number considering there were about 50 Democratic Senators. So even though Biden is a self-proclaimed Biggest Zionist in the World, he at least had some people trying to talk sense to him. In case of Trump: His cadre and he himself think 'Palestinians' don't exist or are a slur word. Trump being a straight talker is not necessarily a virtue: One can be openly jerk but still a jerk!
But I guess you and I are on the same page here.

It is interesting that Kamala still does not say that she would have done things differently if she was elected POTUS over Gaza. It would have maybe at least taken some shame away from her being part of "Genocide Joe's" administration.

That woman would have just carried on where Biden left off.

She is worse than Biden as being racist is in his nature - white old man.

 

[Developereo]

I don't believe that. U.S. Government has little to do with Pakistan related money matters. IMF, though there is a strong U.S. influence there, is quite professionally managed with an international team.

This is simply not true. There is a reason the BRICS has decided to launch an alternative to the IMF and World Bank.

It is an almost certainty that Israel, using America, will try to make sure no future potential threats to Israel will arise.

The Zionists are at the top of the gloat meter over how the West has completely supported their genocide in Gaza. It confirms their utter and absolute control of the Western countries that matter: US, UK, Germany.

If some some account are correct then as many as 500,000 Israeli Jews have left Israel since October 2023 and many of them won't ever go back.

There are plenty of religious Jews who will give up the comfy life in the West to move to Israel. This is a temporary setback for them; many more will return to their religious duty to reestablish the original Israel. It is also a defiant symbol to the world that Jewish power is at its absolute zenith.

 

[EugeneP]

Bolded parts. You forgot to add 'we will give you anything, including carpet bombing whatever you need us to do'.
In case of Biden, the genocidal hypocrite, there was at least about 15-20% of his political 'base' against Israel and that reflected in the 19 Democratic Senators strongly voting against Israel, which was a large number considering there were about 50 Democratic Senators. So even though Biden is a self-proclaimed Biggest Zionist in the World, he at least had some people trying to talk sense to him. In case of Trump: His cadre and he himself think 'Palestinians' don't exist or are a slur word. Trump being a straight talker is not necessarily a virtue: One can be openly jerk but still a jerk!
But I guess you and I are on the same page here.

Yes, we are in general agreement. But with respect to Biden, I would be less harsh. He may say all the politically nice things - "Biggest Zionist in the world", "Biggest Irishman in the world", blah, blah. But I believe he tried his damnedest to restrain Netanyahu. Because he is a skilled and experienced politician, you won't see his all efforts, successes and failures (in the foreign policy arena) out in the open. But we know he had lot more legislative successes than what Trump achieved. That should give us an inkling.

 

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[The SC]

The first moments after the bombing of Ahmed Abdel Aziz School in Khan Yunis by the Israeli army and the fall of dozens of martyrs

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Senior Hamas official: Unprecedented progress in Gaza truce negotiations

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