Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation
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_Arabia_
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Many Shabiha, Nusayris and Irani/Russian puppets within Syria are going to have a hard time as already seen.
There is a lot of cleaning to do within Syria and I think that the current rulers will do a good, thorough and permanent cleaning job.
Foinikas
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"Freedom fighters"....
No wonder most of the refugees don't wanna go back to Syria now.
_Arabia_
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Islamic Republic of Iran vs Islamic Republic of Syria.
Are you sure about that? I think that most Syrians in Europe, Turkey and Arab states want to return and many have started returning.
Foinikas
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_Arabia_
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Banter aside, I am sure that you as a Greek guy can freely visit Damascus without any harm done to you and visit local churches there and what not. No need to worry. Prior to Al-Assad the case was the same. A few extremists here and there (who will eventually be dealt with by Syrians themselves) will not change anything.
As for Syrians returning;
Number of Syrians returning home from Türkiye skyrockets
Latest figures by the Interior Ministry show Syrians show up in the thousands at border crossings as more refugees are eager to head home after the fall of...
www.dailysabah.com
Most will probably return.
Foinikas
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Right now,I don't know. Before,I could easily go. Some 20 years ago I was even thinking going to Halab. Now the city is in ruins.
_Arabia_
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You can. Nobody is going to target you. They would open any tourist with open arms as that is = money. Just like how even the Taliban welcomes almost every foreigner traveling there. There are tons of videos of people visiting Kabul and what not. Again money is the prime motivation here. Within 1-2 months you will probably see Youtube videos of Greek tourists visiting Syria.
Journalists are freely visiting Syria without any harm from the entire world. Christian Syrians are also returning to Syria.
I saw many Christian Syrians celebrating the fall of Al-Assad and Syrian channels such as SyriaTV showed footage from Aleppo of Churches and Christians praying just like before.
They have their own Youtube channel I believe that broadcasts live.
Syria TV
الصفحة الرسمية لـ تلفزيون سوريا شبكة إعلامية مستقلة تواكب أخبار السوريين وكل ما يهمهم
www.youtube.com
They have also established official Twitter pages of various government branches.
The Syrian Ba'ath Party has disbanded itself and all its possessions have been placed under the the control of the Syrian Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Justice and the Syrian Central Bank.
Iraq also denies that they are hosting Maher al-Assad. My guess is that he fled to Iran.
Foinikas
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Syriacs and Assyrians?
_Arabia_
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Syriacs. Druze as well. Remember the Druze uprising a few days before the Al-Assad regime fell? There were no Muslims involved almost. As-Suwayda and nearby areas are almost all Druze inhabited. Even they rose up against the regime.
This idea of somehow all minorities supporting the Al-Assad regime is false. Other than the Nusayrs, who dominated Syria completely despite being a small minority, even within their community many rejoiced at his fall. You should read the statements of the Nusayri community in the past few weeks and their religious leaders statements.
There is hardly any resistance either from the people. If they felt their lives where in danger they would have resisted, don't you think? Why don't they? The only group in Syria that is still fighting are the US-sponsored SDF, mostly the Kurdish elements, as most of the local Arabs have defected.
No independent reports of any massacres of minorities either or even widespread killings.
The only thing I have seen is some civilians taken matters into their own hands and lynching a few high-ranking Al-Assad members and a few Al-Assad soldiers being executed but this is peanuts compared to what the Al-Assad regime was doing.
And can you blame them when those same soldiers where carpet bombing their cities, towns, villages and killing their family members? I don't.
Just like Greeks were killing German collaborators after WW2.
Have you not read the news of the many excavated mass graves found in Al-Assad controlled areas of Syria?
Syrian mass graves show the worst abuses 'since the Nazis,' top prosecutor says
“We are talking about a system of state terror," Stephen Rapp, former U.S. war crimes ambassador at large, said of how people lived in Syria under the Assad regime.
www.nbcnews.com
I mean it is impossible for all this to be propaganda.
A1Kaid
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I think that KSA has nuclear weapons already otherwise why buy the DF-3A 35 + years ago? Why help finance the Pakistani nuclear program and not have a stake in it?
Note, all the Chinese missiles that KSA bought 35 + years ago, today, KSA develops them within KSA jointly with China.
CNN had a long article about this 4 + years ago or so.
Confirmed by satellite imagery.
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If not already the case, KSA is a few months away from becoming a nuclear state by design.
Otherwise MbS would not publicly state that KSA would develop nuclear weapons the second Iran does.
If North Korea can develop nuclear weapons, KSA could develop them without much trouble as well.
Former high-level CIA folks stating it openly as well.
Nah, there is no way that KSA has just looked at regional developments silently.
Must importantly KSA has all the components in house as well, including the uranium (KSA has about 5-10% of the world's uranium reserves). 10 + years ago (ongoing so far) KSA and China jointly excavated it in KSA. There is news out there about this as well.
KSA definitely has extensive chemical weapons as well having one of the most developed chemical sectors in the world. I for one know, that KSA exported various chemical components to Iraq during the 1980's.
Main point here is that Israel has no ability to "conquer" KSA and Egypt and both countries have certain weapons that would make Israel think at least twice and afterwards regret such adventures deeply. Israel is tiny and has zero strategic depth, being a US satellite or not. From northwestern KSA even long-range artillery can target Israel.
It’s all speculation at this point and that’s true of every publicly available source.
Foinikas
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No,those were the commies. Commies were killing everyone they didn't like during the occupation as well. After the war they were obsessed with killing collaborators or perceived "German" friends.
And here we go with the excuse of "peanuts compared to what the regime was doing"....
there we go,excusing the atrocities. The atrocities of those same groups that in power now during the war,are to be ignored? The barbaric acts of all these salafi groups and their friends?
Ah here we go with the old NATO tactic,first Yugoslavia,then Ukraine,now Syria. Suddenly mass graves appear.
Who's gonna resist when the entire army collapsed? Individuals? Are you kidding?
_Arabia_
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I think that nationalists in Greece also killed collaborators. It occurred all over Europe and it occurs in every war. Whenever a side wins or loses this occurs everywhere. Syria is not special in this regard.
No, there is a difference between a few instances and widespread massacres on an industrial scale like the Al-Assad regime was doing for decades.
When the current leaders of Syria start barrel bombing Nusayri villages, towns and cities killing 1000's of people indiscriminately for years, mass-murder I don't know how many Syrians to afterwards burry them in mass graves (now such mass graves are being discovered) we can talk.
And those are not "Salafis" but ordinary Syrians. None of them had any beards. They were cursing them and clearly enraged. Nothing to do with religion either as those killed could have been Sunnis. Just people who likely lost relatives in that war getting revenge (in their eyes). I never wrote that this is the right thing to do. It is not. At least not according to Islam and normal behavior but people during wars are not really acting normally or rationally in the first place. War also traumatizes most people.
Nothing to do with NATO, there are 200.000 missing Syrians. Most of them were killed by the Al-Assad regime not rebels who did not have means to even kill that many people to begin with.
So you are telling me that most of Syria could resist the Al-Assad regime for 13 + years but heavily armed Nusayris that dominated Syria for 50 + years cannot defend their almost entirely exclusive Nusayri villages, towns and cities and large areas of coastal western Syria? That does not make sense.
Maybe they don't do anything because by large, they are not being targeted?
Also why are there no reports of mass-murders etc. of minorities if you claim that this is the case? Is everyone lying? Come on.
Anyway let us agree to disagree we won't ever agree on the Al-Assad regime. No harm in that.
I agree. Just showing the arguments for the opposite. In reality we don't know what is what with certainty for a very good reason.
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Foinikas
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Oh yeah? HTS,Ahrar and TFSA are not Salafis?
You are sooo excusing the atrocities of all these countless terrorist groups that have been killing,looting and destroying Syria for 12 years. Sure,the government bombed here and there like the Russians. But you just excuse all these barbarians.
It was the communists.
What you just said makes no sense.
_Arabia_
Trusted Member
I was talking about the videos I saw of ordinary Syrians taking revenge on Al-Assad soldiers. None of those were religiously motivated as the soldiers were likely Sunnis.
Where are the excuses exactly? I think that I was very clear in what I wrote.
Fact of the matter is that the Al-Assad regime killed 100 times more civilians and committed many more crimes. Why don't you ever talk about that? It is very strange. Those were the real barbarians who killed on an industrial scale. Everyone knows about that already. Plenty of evidence available. New mass graves excavated on a daily basis in the past 2 weeks. This is getting ridiculous.
Who cares? There were reprisals after WW2 everywhere in Europe on the losing side. Same case in every war and conflict. Why should Syria be any different?
No, it makes perfect sense. If there were widespread massacres on minorities (no such thing), the very same minorities would have risen up and tried to resist the new rulers. They are not doing that as there is no reason for doing so.
Neither the Druze, neither the few remaining Christians in Syria nor the Nusayris. As I wrote, the only group in Syria that is still resisting is US-supported SDF Kurds.
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