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[OldTwilight]

Look like the hype-sonic maneuver in last phase while helpful in evading the defensive systems also has its shortcoming . the accuracy of missile will be effected because after maneuver , the missile doesn't have enough time to correct its path .

 

[jauk]

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[Persian Gulf]

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[Persian Gulf]

Look like the hype-sonic maneuver in last phase while helpful in evading the defensive systems also has its shortcoming . the accuracy of missile will be effected because after maneuver , the missile doesn't have enough time to correct its path .

we should pick our targets more carefully

massive airbases in the desert with hard soil and few bunkers spread around the area are very bad targets for missiles with CEP up to 200-400m

these sites are much better targets and have greater military utility (harder to rebuild a air defence component factory than to pave over a small crater on a runway):

 

[Persian Gulf]

THAAD with two back to back successful intercepts of Yemen's "Palestine-2" (Kheibar Shekan-2) after Arrow had failed, suggests THAAD is more effective against KS-2 than Arrow

new solutions to counter THAAD must be devised (unclear if Fattah-2 could defeat THAAD once in operation)

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[Ali_Baba]

we should pick our targets more carefully

massive airbases in the desert with hard soil and few bunkers spread around the area are very bad targets for missiles with CEP up to 200-400m

these sites are much better targets and have greater military utility (harder to rebuild a air defence component factory than to pave over a small crater on a runway):

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If things do hot up again, and if Iran does not strike targets like these, then we will know there is no military common sense in Iran, and therefore Iran will lose ultimately and Iran should not bother again. Israel went for Irans military manufacturing infrastructure in addition to some military sites. So there should be no logical holdup to "responding in kind" in any future round of hostilities.

The airfield strikes were crazy as the damage caused was insignificant. The above miliary sites will have a very signficiant economic cost to Israel.

( I actually suspect Iran has no 'military common sense', and will try and fight it using some 'outdated concept of iranian honour', rather than maximising the economic and military cost to Israel. ).

 

[UKBengali]

THAAD with two back to back successful intercepts of Yemen's "Palestine-2" (Kheibar Shekan-2) after Arrow had failed, suggests THAAD is more effective against KS-2 than Arrow

new solutions to counter THAAD must be devised (unclear if Fattah-2 could defeat THAAD once in operation)

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You cannot assume THAAD success againt single KS-2 as indicative of its performance against a mass Iranian attack with 200 missiles landing within say 5-10 minutes.

THAAD only has a certain number of simultaneous engagement channels and Iranian attack is likely to come with other types of missiles with decoys etc.

 

[Persian Gulf]

You cannot assume THAAD success againt single KS-2 as indicative of its performance against a mass Iranian attack with 200 missiles landing within say 5-10 minutes.

THAAD only has a certain number of simultaneous engagement channels and Iranian attack is likely to come with other types of missiles with decoys etc.

I do not assume that. obviously saturation strikes will have better success, but that's true with any type of missile.

much more economical if we can use fewer missiles that defeat interceptors rather than resorting to massive saturation strikes to go missile for missile with the USA + Israel (if we must, we can do this with old stocks of Shahab-3 / Ghadr rather than newer missiles like Kheibar Shekan).

 

[jauk]

You cannot assume THAAD success againt single KS-2 as indicative of its performance against a mass Iranian attack with 200 missiles landing within say 5-10 minutes.

THAAD only has a certain number of simultaneous engagement channels and Iranian attack is likely to come with other types of missiles with decoys etc.

Accuracy (even if true) in these cases are irrelevant. People always forget the goal is to vacate the opponent's armory. That's it.

100s of cheap Iranian systems will overwhelm the opponent. That's it.

 

[UKBengali]

Accuracy (even if true) in these cases are irrelevant. People always forget the goal is to vacate the opponent's armory. That's it.

100s of cheap Iranian systems will overwhelm the opponent. That's it.

I did not mention it but of course after 1-2 waves of Iranian strikes with 200 missiles each Zio-US would be out of THAAD, SM-3 and Arrow 3 interceptors and it will then be open season for highly destructive attacks on the entity with zero interceptions possible.

 

[jauk]

I did not mention it but of course after 1-2 waves of Iranian strikes with 200 missiles each Zio-US would be out of THAAD, SM-3 and Arrow 3 interceptors and it will then be open season for highly destructive attacks on the entity with zero interceptions possible.

Correct. The battle plan will be a mix of systems launched in different waves. Some to vacate. Some to destroy targets. The defense can be anything from AD to aircraft. They will all be defeated.

The attacks and defense against Yemen are terribly expensive both in the context of matériel and logistics. Not to mention the huge psychological impact on Zionia which I believe is the most important.

 

[vmro]

Accuracy (even if true) in these cases are irrelevant. People always forget the goal is to vacate the opponent's armory. That's it.

100s of cheap Iranian systems will overwhelm the opponent. That's it.

Of course, if Iran try to attack with few pieces of own modern models, than thaad could be 100% successful ...Kamikaze units have to be prepared to fly and die for Iran... But if for Saddam kamikaze units were human waves, this time cheap drones and bombs should not be take so emotional...

 

[UKBengali]

Correct. The battle plan will be a mix of systems launched in different waves. Some to vacate. Some to destroy targets. The defense can be anything from AD to aircraft. They will all be defeated.

The attacks and defense against Yemen are terribly expensive both in the context of matériel and logistics. Not to mention the huge psychological impact on Zionia which I believe is the most important.

I also don't know where these estimates of 200m CEP come from for the latest Iranian ballistic missiles. We saw accurate hits on hangars and also runways and to this day the Zio-US does not release damage done to Tel-Nof where we saw a massive secondary explosion.

The below website says that the Khorramshahr-1, -2, and -4 has 30m CEP. With a 1.5 tonne warhead it can take out specific hangars and ABM radars.

https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/weapon-program-background-report/table-irans-missile-arsenal

 

[jauk]

I also don't know where these estimates of 200m CEP come from for the latest Iranian ballistic missiles. We saw accurate hits on hangars and also runways and to this day the Zio-US does not release damage done to Tel-Nof where we saw a massive secondary explosion.
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They come from sweeping no evidence based comments mostly from anti-Iranian and propaganda sources with no evidence that are regurgitated here. Ignore.

 

[StrategicBear]

I think TP3 should be launched 1-2 days after Iran has test fired an ICBM to deter possible US intervention, so what do you guys think?

A stern backdoor message via Gulf countries to the US must be conveyed that Iran will strike with full force at all US military targets not limited to only the Middle East region with all sorts of conventional weapons if the US military strikes Iranian soil (It'd be unfair if the US can strike Iran's soil but Iran can't hit back at US soil in retaliation).

This way, Iran can focus primarily on Israel in TP3 without worrying about a US intervention... What do you think?