PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Goku-Kun]

Imagenery enemy. ????? We have three major wars with india since independence and you have the audacity to call it imagenery enemy....... China has her own disputes with India , a small war and multiple border skirmishes . Yet you have the balls to say you are doing a favor to Pakistan by not having good relations with India .. what's quad and why is India in it ? ....if you think America is your imagenery enemy I hope Chinese establishment will keep you million miles away from any policy making ....and Turkey ? What has she done to hurt you other than making couple of statements in favor of uighers ?......go see some Shrink my friend .

I'll agree with you..China needs Pakistan as much as Pakistan needs China. Pakistan has got a strategic location which lessens a 12000km range China needs to pass through in order to access middle east down to mere 4000-5000km and there are many other aspects in which China needs Pakistan. Pakistan helped China in gaining many western tech. awareness like f-16 and etc to develop their skills and tactics against western enemies. So we both assess each other.

 

[Goku-Kun]

Your bigoted and one-sided statements and strong nationalistic sentiments make me lose interest in discussing with you. In the meantime, this has nothing to do with this thread.

PDF is a public forum and anyone is entitled to post their opinions within the rules. So, please respect each other and discuss rationally. Please do not go seriously off topic.

That's it ! Please end the controversy on this issue!

his statements carry weight. You can't simply refer them a s strong nationalistic sentiments. He is talking in a broader context.

 

[lightning f57]

I'll agree with you..China needs Pakistan as much as Pakistan needs China. Pakistan has got a strategic location which lessens a 12000km range China needs to pass through in order to access middle east down to mere 4000-5000km and there are many other aspects in which China needs Pakistan. Pakistan helped China in gaining many western tech. awareness like f-16 and etc to develop their skills and tactics against western enemies. So we both assess each other.

Gwadar is not achieving 5% of its potential, China does not need access to any western tech from Pak. Pak needs China much much more. Yes China, Paks historic and Strategic relationship is significant but Pak needs to pull its weight in a big way.

 

[Michael]

I'll agree with you..China needs Pakistan as much as Pakistan needs China. Pakistan has got a strategic location which lessens a 12000km range China needs to pass through in order to access middle east down to mere 4000-5000km and there are many other aspects in which China needs Pakistan. Pakistan helped China in gaining many western tech. awareness like f-16 and etc to develop their skills and tactics against western enemies. So we both assess each other.

his statements carry weight. You can't simply refer them a s strong nationalistic sentiments. He is talking in a broader context.

Gwadar is not achieving 5% of its potential, China does not need access to any western tech from Pak. Pak needs China much much more. Yes China, Paks historic and Strategic relationship is significant but Pak needs to pull its weight in a big way.

There is a great deal of reservation in my analysis and assessment of Sino-Pakistani relations. If I were to express myself too bluntly, I would seriously hurt the self-esteem of my Pakistani friends. Therefore, I do not propose that we discuss it in depth.
We've gone seriously off topic. Please end it there and let's get back to the J-35 !

 

[Goku-Kun]

Gwadar is not achieving 5% of its potential, China does not need access to any western tech from Pak. Pak needs China much much more. Yes China, Paks historic and Strategic relationship is significant but Pak needs to pull its weight in a big way.

that's because of our incompetency..China got access to apachee wreckage downed in abbotabad operation and today its taking shape of z-20..China has familiarized its pilots from Pakistani f-16s about the western tech.

 

[MastanKhan]

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Obviously, these efforts will take a longer time. Even at “Chinese speed”, we will not be able to deliver 40 J-35s to PAF in two years.
In fact, I don't think all versions of the J-35 series (foreign trade, PLAAF and PLAN) will be able to reach a total of 40 in two years.

About the quantity:
Based on current analysis, the cost price of the J-35A is about $80-100 million. The J-35s sold to PAF will not cost less than $100 million per unit (if PAF voluntarily requests a lower configuration, the price could be less than $100 million. But this is less likely).The unit price of the J-35 foreign trade version is estimated to be between $100-150 million.
40x J-35, 20x WS-21 spare engines, routine maintenance parts, associated weapons and ammunition, training costs ...... Total value is about $8-10 billion.
If PAF wants these 40x J-35s to be fully operationally capable, it will require significant changes to PAF's existing combat systems. They include:
Improvements to C4ISR: Early Warning Aircraft, Military Data Link, Combat Command Center, Military Supercomputer ..... ...PAF's existing systems cannot fully utilize the J-35's operational capabilities.
Infrastructure: dedicated hangars, maintenance facilities ......
These will cost no less than the J-35 procurement.
One thing is clear, China will never allow Pakistan to involve a third country in any of the J-35's affairs. At most, China will allow Pakistan to use Sino-Pakistani co-produced weapons or airborne equipment on the J-35 (including Pakistan's imitation of Chinese weapons or airborne equipment), but will not allow any third country to intervene. For example, Turkish or Turkish Pakistani co-produced weapons/airborne equipment, they will never be allowed on the J-35. This will add some cost to the PAF to use.
In a comprehensive analysis, the complete cost of 40 J-35s would be around $15-20 billion.
So, do you think Pakistan will be able to meet this cost?

Hi,

There are some post from you that are brilliant---but then other posts show you have no clue to what you are writing---.

In around 2 years time---it would be the begining of the anticipated delivery of the J31's---possibly between 2-4 aircraft to start with---.

It is silly to think that 40 aircraft will land at the end of 24 months---and no pakistani has claimed that.

 

[PakFactor]

There is a great deal of reservation in my analysis and assessment of Sino-Pakistani relations. If I were to express myself too bluntly, I would seriously hurt the self-esteem of my Pakistani friends. Therefore, I do not propose that we discuss it in depth.
We've gone seriously off topic. Please end it there and let's get back to the J-35 !

You should not worry about hurting Pakistani self-esteem, as the truth needs to come out, and unless it does these Pakistani's will not self-reflect.

 

[mythbuster]

There is a great deal of reservation in my analysis and assessment of Sino-Pakistani relations. If I were to express myself too bluntly, I would seriously hurt the self-esteem of my Pakistani friends. Therefore, I do not propose that we discuss it in depth.
We've gone seriously off topic. Please end it there and let's get back to the J-35 !

Don't hold back , Pakistanis have thick skin.......let me start , Pakistan is economically , politically and socially a fuked up country ...I mean it .......feel free and add to it .

 

[iblini]

So what is the problem here, it's almost certain that Pakistan is getting J35.
Personally, the two years timeline doesn't seem legit as the plane is not ready let alone WS-19, everything else has nothing to do with J35.

 

[MastanKhan]

So what is the problem here, it's almost certain that Pakistan is getting J35.
Personally, the two years timeline doesn't seem legit as the plane is not ready let alone WS-19, everything else has nothing to do with J35.

Hi,

Here is how it can happen with the engine concern---.

It may use its current engine and integrate the EW and weapons package just like the J20 project did.

When the engine got ready---there will be an engine swap---.

 

[iblini]

Hi,

Here is how it can happen with the engine concern---.

It may use its current engine and integrate the EW and weapons package just like the J20 project did.

When the engine got ready---there will be an engine swap---.

true, but PLAAF is getting it's first jet by 2026 if everything goes accordingly, how are they going to spare the production line for PAF.

 

[MastanKhan]

true, but PLAAF is getting it's first jet by 2026 if everything goes accordingly, how are they going to spare the production line for PAF.

Hi,

That question will be answered in 2 years from now---.

Look at it this way---. No critic knew that the J31 was advanced flight ready or how many changes it had gone thru---.

 

[iblini]

Hi,

That question will be answered in 2 years from now---.

Look at it this way---. No critic knew that the J31 was advanced flight ready or how many changes it had gone thru---.

Yep, unless more pics comes out, until then really not much to talk about.

 

[Zarvan]

Pak to aquire 40 J35s in 2 years time?
There is no doubt that this is 100% fake news, no matter where it comes from! Even if it was released by the PAF Chief of General Staff himself, it would still be fake news!

That channel is owned by Pakistan's Interior minister

 

[Michael]

So what is the problem here, it's almost certain that Pakistan is getting J35.
Personally, the two years timeline doesn't seem legit as the plane is not ready let alone WS-19, everything else has nothing to do with J35.

Currently publicized official news:
SAC is in the process of building a new plant and relocation project. According to the plan, the first phase of the project is expected to be completed by the end of 2025. Ideally, work on J-35 production will begin in 2026. The first production run of any fighter jet will be small, and it will require adjustments to production facilities, specialized machinery, and many other factors. Ideally, mass production would begin in 2028-2030.

News from special sources:
Guiyang engine production plant builds both WS-21 and WS-19. the production line for WS-21 (conventional production line) is mature enough for mass production of WS-21. the production line for WS-19 is currently under construction. Its core engine production line and final assembly line are built to large-scale intelligent pulse production line standards. Once the construction is completed and it is officially in mass production, it will have a very large capacity (one production line has a capacity of about 60 units per month). But it still needs a lot of time.

that's because of our incompetency..China got access to apachee wreckage downed in abbotabad operation and today its taking shape of z-20..China has familiarized its pilots from Pakistani f-16s about the western tech.

I have no intention of my Pakistani friends arguing about this.
Apache to Z-20?Are you sure you're not trying to be funny? Please go and get some serious basic military knowledge first.
Please stop the thread on this!

You should not worry about hurting Pakistani self-esteem, as the truth needs to come out, and unless it does these Pakistani's will not self-reflect.

The 1980s were the honeymoon period between China and the United States. We were exposed to a lot of Western culture and knowledge. We naively thought that the world was equal and that we could get along with everyone in the world as equals. Unbeknownst to us, China at that time had been infiltrated by all kinds of Western conspirators. Although there were some sober Chinese and friendly foreigners who kept reminding the Chinese to be sober, their remarks were soon attacked by a large number of crazy Chinese and quickly drowned out these rational remarks.
It was not until the late 1980s that these “freedom and democracy” ideological trends reached their peak. The violent clash of East and West culminated in the Tiananmen Incident. After this, the Western world was completely closed to China. Only then did the Chinese realize the seriousness of the problem.
In the 1990s, we made up our mind to develop on our own. But the Western society did not allow us to do so. As a result, the 1993 Galaxy incident, the 1996 Taiwan Strait crisis, the 1999 NATO bombing of the Chinese embassy in the FRY, the 2001 South China Sea fighter collision ........
Until today, whenever China achieves something, there are some Chinese people who are complacent. And at this time, there are always more rational Chinese people who will rehash these shameful events that we have experienced, which make us always clear, always united and always full of fighting spirit.
Every year, September 18th is China's “National Shame Day”.
December 13 every year is China's “National Memorial Day”.

The sobriety of a nation or a country does not depend on the reminders of others. There are only bloody lessons to be learned.
I don't have any power to do such great things. The sobriety of Pakistanis depends only on Pakistanis themselves.

Don't hold back , Pakistanis have thick skin.......let me start , Pakistan is economically , politically and socially a fuked up country ...I mean it .......feel free and add to it .

The Chinese are very patriotic. When we disagree with the Chinese government/CCP on certain issues, we criticize or complain about them. We also criticize certain senior leaders. But we never bash the country (China/PLA). In our consciousness, such behavior is equal to treason.

I can accept Pakistanis criticizing Pakistani political parties or leaders, but I cannot accept Pakistanis criticizing Pakistan as a country. In my consciousness, such behavior is an act of treason against Pakistan.

I do not want to consider you as a traitor to Pakistan. So, please stop this behavior! At least, don't provoke me in this way!