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[Foinikas]

Imposible Muchacho.

Why? Because I don't like Hamas?

 

[hyperman]

Why? Because I don't like Hamas?

You also differ with UKBengali and the other Shia on Hezbollah launching operations against Israel I suspect.

You are at best neutral if that. There is no underlying moral current or ideological opposition to the Zionist movement.

 

[Foinikas]

Its not a "trust me bro" statement, its the basic observance of demographics, and an observance of what transpired when town after town fell and the massive celebrations that happened in Hama and Homs.

It is a "trust me bro" statement. Like @UKBengali said,the pro-Assad people who stayed in Syria and that's the majority of them,are too afraid to say otherwise. Sure,many Syrians were disappointed by the government and were fed up,but you can't go and say "the overwhelming majority".

What "basic observance" of what transpired?


Check this out:









By the same logic,one could say "well,according to the observance of what transpired in various cities of Syria years ago,the overwhelming majority of Syrians are pro-Assad"

 

[Foinikas]

No b/c you don't support Greece recognizing Palestine.

You also differ with UKBengali and the other Shia on Hezbollah launching operations against Israel I suspect.

You are at best neutral if that. There is no underlying moral current or ideological opposition to the Zionist movement.

Why are you lying again?


Are you simply ignorant of my posts or do you keep doing this on purpose,systematically?

When did I say that I "don't support" Greece recognizing Palestine? If anything I'm 100% for Greece recognizing Palestine. How can I be proposing a two-State plan if I don't want my country to recognize Palestine?

Are you such a sneaky liar passing misinformation about me on the forum? I've called you out on that many times lately,yet you continue to do it.

Concerning the "no underlying moral current or ideological opposition to the Zionist movement" that you said,just how many times do I have to say it,to clarify it,to repeat it,that if Zionism means the Jews having their own country in the Holy Land,they have the right to do so,but if Zionism is all about a country a State like today,that constantly expands and mistreats the Palestinians(to say the least)and is all about world domination behind the scenes,then I am against it. Just like every normal Orthodox should be.

And because I know,even after this,you won't stop slandering me,there's nothing else I can do except raise this issue to some of the other mods to check what you've been doing for weeks now. You're a really sneaky person.

@Persian Gulf @Hack-Hook @Joe Shearer @Musings @RescueRanger @dbc @Deino @The SC

 

[hyperman]

It is a "trust me bro" statement. Like @UKBengali said,the pro-Assad people who stayed in Syria and that's the majority of them,are too afraid to say otherwise. Sure,many Syrians were disappointed by the government and were fed up,but you can't go and say "the overwhelming majority".

What "basic observance" of what transpired?


Check this out:

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By the same logic,one could say "well,according to the observance of what transpired in various cities of Syria years ago,the overwhelming majority of Syrians are pro-Assad"

Where are these pictures from? what year? b/c Ironically its its early on in the revolution, the Syrian Opposition wasn't using the green flag, they were still using the Red flag. Also these buildings look surprisingly intact. lol

But lets assume you are correct and they are of Assad Support. No one supports Assad outside of his sect, so a rally of Alawites is not a representation of Syria overall. You are having a tough time accepting that, but its true.

 

[Foinikas]

Where are these pictures from? what year? b/c Ironically its its early on in the revolution, the Syrian Opposition wasn't using the green flag, they were still using the Red flag. Also these buildings look surprisingly intact. lol

Oh yeah? Maybe the "revolution" was using Assad portraits as well?

 

[hyperman]

Why are you lying again?


Are you simply ignorant of my posts or do you keep doing this on purpose,systematically?

When did I say that I "don't support" Greece recognizing Palestine? If anything I'm 100% for Greece recognizing Palestine. How can I be proposing a two-State plan if I don't want my country to recognize Palestine?

Are you such a sneaky liar passing misinformation about me on the forum? I've called you out on that many times lately,yet you continue to do it.

Concerning the "no underlying moral current or ideological opposition to the Zionist movement" that you said,just how many times do I have to say it,to clarify it,to repeat it,that if Zionism means the Jews having their own country in the Holy Land,they have the right to do so,but if Zionism is all about a country a State like today,that constantly expands and mistreats the Palestinians(to say the least)and is all about world domination behind the scenes,then I am against it. Just like every normal Orthodox should be.

And because I know,even after this,you won't stop slandering me,there's nothing else I can do except raise this issue to some of the other mods to check what you've been doing for weeks now. You're a really sneaky person.

@Persian Gulf @Hack-Hook @Joe Shearer @Musings @RescueRanger @dbc @Deino @The SC

Ok, my mistake, I edited the comment. I assumed you didn't support recognizing Palestine like Mitsotakis, b/c that would ruin Greek relations with Israel and jeopardize Greek cooperation with israel in the Eastern Medeterranian.

 

[hyperman]

Oh yeah? Maybe the "revolution" was using Assad portraits as well?

Did you not read the second paragraph?

"But lets assume you are correct and they are of Assad Support. No one supports Assad outside of his sect, so a rally of Alawites is not a representation of Syria overall. You are having a tough time accepting that, but its true."

 

[Foinikas]

Did you not read the second paragraph?

"But lets assume you are correct and they are of Assad Support. No one supports Assad outside of his sect, so a rally of Alawites is not a representation of Syria overall. You are having a tough time accepting that, but its true."

Who even told you or where did you read that "noone supports Assad outside of his sect"??

Is that why there were thousands of Christians and Sunni Muslims in the SAA as officers and soldiers? is that why he had so much support from Greek Orthodox,Armenian Orthodox,Shia,some Druze and a lot of Sunnis?

 

[hyperman]

Why are you lying again?


Are you simply ignorant of my posts or do you keep doing this on purpose,systematically?

When did I say that I "don't support" Greece recognizing Palestine? If anything I'm 100% for Greece recognizing Palestine. How can I be proposing a two-State plan if I don't want my country to recognize Palestine?

Are you such a sneaky liar passing misinformation about me on the forum? I've called you out on that many times lately,yet you continue to do it.

Concerning the "no underlying moral current or ideological opposition to the Zionist movement" that you said,just how many times do I have to say it,to clarify it,to repeat it,that if Zionism means the Jews having their own country in the Holy Land,they have the right to do so,but if Zionism is all about a country a State like today,that constantly expands and mistreats the Palestinians(to say the least)and is all about world domination behind the scenes,then I am against it. Just like every normal Orthodox should be.

And because I know,even after this,you won't stop slandering me,there's nothing else I can do except raise this issue to some of the other mods to check what you've been doing for weeks now. You're a really sneaky person.

@Persian Gulf @Hack-Hook @Joe Shearer @Musings @RescueRanger @dbc @Deino @The SC

So just to make sure, you do support Palestine recognition for Greece even at the expense of it ruining Israeli Greek relations, like whats happening with Ireland and Greece currently. And it interfering with the Greece/Israeli cooperation to counter Turkey in the Eastern Medeterranian, am I correct in understand that, just want to make sure, so I don't make assumptions based on Mitsotakis and his outlook. lol

 

[Foinikas]

So just to make sure, you do support Palestine recognition for Greece even at the expense of it ruining Israeli Greek relations, like whats happening with Ireland and Greece currently. And it interfering with the Greece/Israeli cooperation to counter Turkey in the Eastern Medeterranian, am I correct in understand that, just want to make sure, so I don't make assumptions based on Mitsotakis and his outlook. lol

Greece only recently had such "good" relations with Israel,which even now aren't anything special. They are simple "you sell,I buy" relations. Israel hasn't really helped us against Turkey in our history.

 

[hyperman]

Who even told you or where did you read that "noone supports Assad outside of his sect"??

Is that why there were thousands of Christians and Sunni Muslims in the SAA as officers and soldiers? is that why he had so much support from Greek Orthodox,Armenian Orthodox,Shia,some Druze and a lot of Sunnis?

Is that why none of them were willing to die for Assad when the offensive was launched and Aleppo fell and why none of them fought in Hama, where they were dug in? or Homs?

Assad had more men and Air Support yet as Putin said, none of the SAA were willing to hold the ground for him, outside of Iranian militias none of those guys wanted to fight. They even said they misjudged the motivation of the SAA.

You don't refuse to fight if you believe in a cause. Especially when you out number the adversary and have air superiority. That only happens when you are willing to die fighting for him.

SAA was literally conscripting people against their will to fight. The letters and documents show that, they were threatening the conscripts with severe punishment if they withdrew for their positions, but by then, it was too late.

 

[hyperman]

Israel hasn't really helped us against Turkey in our history.

We are in a very different era post 2000s Turkey. The dynamics of the region are not the same, but even in the Kemalist dominated era, Turkey recognized Palestine, but Greece never did, why? b/c they are no advantage for Greece to do so, and only negatives. and its certainly more negative now for them, so its even more unlikely.

You are comparing old history to current geopolitical dynamics. Turkey in the 90s and before was restricted as an influencer only in Anatolia, where now its a regional hegemon with plays in Syria, Libya, etc, which Israel is wary of, as It challenges Israel's own ambition and desire to be the the "apex predator" in the region.

Here are Greek Commentators discussing furthering Greek Israeli alliances in the region to counter Turkey.

And I'm to believe that with all that in terms of realpolitik and geopolitical interests you want Greece to dump the relationship and recognize Palestine, when they didn't do it before when things were further apart in Israeli Greek relations?

And you use whatever legacy/vestigial relations from the 90s with Israel Turkey had as some sort of weapons against Turkey with regards to Palestine when you make comments over Turkey not supporting Palestine enough?

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[Foinikas]

Is that why none of them were willing to die for Assad when the offensive was launched and Aleppo fell and why none of them fought in Hama, where they were dug in? or Homs?

Seriously? We don't know about what REALLY happened behind the scenes when it comes to that. Everybody wonders why the country collapsed. There are contradicting reports and rumors from here and there. We have to wait until the truth comes out.

Assad had more men and Air Support yet as Putin said, none of the SAA were willing to hold the ground for him, outside of Iranian militias none of those guys wanted to fight. They even said they misjudged the motivation of the SAA.

I can't blame them after the endless war and the state of the Syrian Army. They looked like ragtag militias by the end. But there also must be something else behind this. Some officers,some deals,I don't know.

You don't refuse to fight if you believe in a cause. Especially when you out number the adversary and have air superiority. That only happens when you are willing to die fighting for him.

Man,how many times have we seen Arabs just leave everything and go during conflicts in the last 30 years? There's been times when they had stubborn and admirable defence and would fight bravely to the end,but there's also a reason why there are books and videos with the title "Why Arabs Lose Wars". But again,this goes back to the fact that the SAA ended up looking like a militia. They fought through crazy urban combat and desert warfare and kept giving their everything for some 8 years. After that...the best had already fallen,the equipment kept getting worse,the morale kept falling as enemies would re-appear here and there.

 

[hyperman]

Seriously? We don't know about what REALLY happened behind the scenes when it comes to that. Everybody wonders why the country collapsed. There are contradicting reports and rumors from here and there. We have to wait until the truth comes out.


I can't blame them after the endless war and the state of the Syrian Army. They looked like ragtag militias by the end. But there also must be something else behind this. Some officers,some deals,I don't know.


Man,how many times have we seen Arabs just leave everything and go during conflicts in the last 30 years? There's been times when they had stubborn and admirable defence and would fight bravely to the end,but there's also a reason why there are books and videos with the title "Why Arabs Lose Wars". But again,this goes back to the fact that the SAA ended up looking like a militia. They fought through crazy urban combat and desert warfare and kept giving their everything for some 8 years. After that...the best had already fallen,the equipment kept getting worse,the morale kept falling as enemies would re-appear here and there.

They would have fallen in 2013 without the Iranian Militia infusion from Hezbollah. They were still in Crisis in 2015 before Russia intervened. When you removed the two pillars, they showed their true capacity and motivation.

You think its a conspiracy or a deal, and I'm telling you its more simple than that. They didn't want to die for Assad. hell in the south, they started taking their uniforms off and dumped them for civilian clothing and decided to join the rebels in the southern front.