Iranian Chill Thread

[PakAl]

What are you on about? I am Iranian and was referring to Pakistani users who encouraged nuking us in return.
I am against us bombing them, there's no reason to add another enemy country to our list. Especially one with nukes that have a huge population with extremist views against us.

Our redline has always been attacking us within our borders, they just did it, we have no choice but to respond, but we can't afford to do it. So what's the endgame?

Only trolls threatened with nukes, Pakistani members wanted a reply to Iranian surprise attack on our territory. Now that's done, we have moved on. We have other problems to worry about such as India.

 

[PakAl]

Come on, it was a an incredibly dumb move by Iran to attack Pakistan. Doesn't matter how they responded, what ever they would have done, the fault is 100% on us. What do we have to gain by turning another country into an enemy? And shouldn't we be more focused on Israel-US?

I was hoping there was some form of agreement between Iran and Pakistan before the initial attacks, but it shows it wasn't. Our decision makers are plain stupid or infiltrated.

Pakistan and Iran need to form a joint border security force, and fight terrorism, separatism together but its not easy because Pakistan is close to GCC whilst Iran is close to India. Its also difficult to finish low level insurgency, they possibly walk 1000km go attack the troops and then hide in no man's land.

 

[PakAl]

That is absolutely not true. Pakistanis actually had very positive views about Iran until IRGC decided to strike Pakistan. I still fail to understand why Iran decided to do this. I see absolutely zero benefit for Iran from this. Iran gained nothing from it. Pakistan had no other option but to retaliate so that it can establish it's red lines.

Pakistan and Iran always had a good brotherly neighbouring relations, this is ever since Pakistan was created in 1947, disagreements on many issues is normal between 2 giant neighbours, even the western nations have on the table fights and disagreements but they do not invade, attack each other because they know the world will laugh at them and enemies will find a loophole to exploit their problems. Iran and Pakistan also share the same religion Islam, both are Islamic states despite the shortcomings, we also share similar food and culture, Pakistan also had farsi as its language before the British removed it, majority of the Pakistanis have good views regarding Iran, we have 60% sunni sufi population who bare no enemity to Iran, and 20% Shia population who also feel the same, the rest of 20% population is mixture of wahabis and deobandis (also wahabi influenced), only these people hate Iran because their get their guidance and funds from GCC and GCC scholars promote anti Iran narrative but they have no influence to turn Pakistan against Iran. Pakistan stance is to have close brotherly relations with Iran and not make enemies with a neighbouring state.

 

[PakAl]

Well, my posts where I explain that we gained absolutely nothing by bombing a friendly country, and lost quite a lot were met with laughing emojis. I would like for users to write down why they think pushing a friendly country towards our enemies, force them to bomb us back and cross our redlines was a good idea.

Pakistan believe is India is turning Iran against Pakistan to corner Pakistan. They have been complaining to Iran about RAW operations in balochistan but still Pakistan did not bomb or strike Iran because Iran is our friendly neighbour, we can deal with it through diplomacy and aligning our interests, which of course could take decades but we're willing to wait. But Iran instead started to fire missiles and also claiming we will do it again. If Pakistan fired missiles at Iran, I will 100% be opposing it. Look at Afghanistan, so many terrorists get training there and they attack Pakistan but I believe only once Pakistan retaliated with airstrikes, and still our analysts stated that its not the right way, attacking a nation will increase the problems, plus civilians will die, and terrorists will recruit more people.

 

[tsunset]

Pakistan and Iran always had a good brotherly neighbouring relations, this is ever since Pakistan was created in 1947, disagreements on many issues is normal between 2 giant neighbours, even the western nations have on the table fights and disagreements but they do not invade, attack each other because they know the world will laugh at them and enemies will find a loophole to exploit their problems. Iran and Pakistan also share the same religion Islam, both are Islamic states despite the shortcomings, we also share similar food and culture, Pakistan also had farsi as its language before the British removed it, majority of the Pakistanis have good views regarding Iran, we have 60% sunni sufi population who bare no enemity to Iran, and 20% Shia population who also feel the same, the rest of 20% population is mixture of wahabis and deobandis (also wahabi influenced), only these people hate Iran because their get their guidance and funds from GCC and GCC scholars promote anti Iran narrative but they have no influence to turn Pakistan against Iran. Pakistan stance is to have close brotherly relations with Iran and not make enemies with a neighbouring state.

 

[mangekyo]

@PakAl

I agree with you. We live in a global world where what happens on one side of the globe can directly affect the other side. Even more so, any unrest in Iran will eventually find its way to Pakistan and the same the other way around. No-one can predict the future, but both countries are here to stay and we will share borders for at least a very long time. Our security issues are yours, and yours are ours as well. It is detrimental for both countries to understand that we are dependent on having friendly relation and we need to respect each other and work together. Let's just hope this situation will work for the better and both countries will finally start to hear the other countries frustration.

I am a firm believer that you can't fight radicalisation and extremist ideologies with bombs and guns alone. We need to deal with the root of the problem and lessen the likelihood for these terrorists to be exploited and recruited by foreign actors in the future. Both countries need to cooperate here and help each other out.

 

[Kharral]

we are always standing with you.

You stand with no one, You have never stood with anyone, anywhere in any meaningful way.

The nature of your diplomacy is solely & unashamedly Transactional, which you dress over with extremely cringey theatrical acts of Natak.

Cultures and Countries all over the world are well aware of that & prefer it that way for their own benefits.

 

[Kharral]

Iran gets blamed when it does nothing to avenge the deaths of our boys by the same Iranians who will call Iran "stupid" when it decides to do something. Don't you think Iran has been pleading with Pakistan to sort its side of the border for years? Have we seen Pakistan do anything? If Pakistan wants to play these stalling games as a guise to allow anti-iran terrorism to flourish then this missile attack by Iran hopefully would force Pakistan and Iran to put their endless statements for a need to cooperate into action.

Pakistan was always pro-west and PGCC aligned, they were never an ally. We don't need to respond to Pakistan as they didn't dare attack IRGC who were the ones who launched the attack first.

Has Iran managed to sort out its side of the border ?

For all their faults and weaknesses, IRI & PAK establishments are no novices. These groups & grey areas exist for a reason & serve a purpose.

Game is Game.

 

[Tehrani021]

Has Iran managed to sort out its side of the border ?

For all their faults and weaknesses, IRI & PAK establishments are no novices. These groups & grey areas exist for a reason & serve a purpose.

Game is Game.

The stats don't lie. The terrorists coming from your end have been more frequent and deadlier, as though theyre getting weapons, uniform and elite training along with pinpoint intelligence. We're not dumb, we see what's happening here. They serve no purpose for Iran at all, but they do for Pakistan being a US ally and engaged in sectarianism. Stop looking for excuses not to cooperate because this will happen again. Iran has some mad gheyrat when it comes to our people getting killed by terrorists.

 

[Tehrani021]

Pakistan and Iran need to form a joint border security force, and fight terrorism, separatism together but its not easy because Pakistan is close to GCC whilst Iran is close to India. Its also difficult to finish low level insurgency, they possibly walk 1000km go attack the troops and then hide in no man's land.

That is a pathetic excuse to allow terrorists to carry on. How would fighting terrorists upset a nation? And why would that even be a consideration for Pakistan! Iran wouldn't hesitate to clear these out regardless of who has relations with who. Dude, IRGC has flown many drones in Pakistan and seen, in broad day light, these terrorists training! Your superior army should gave enough gheyrat and vision to see them and act!

 

[Kharral]

You fail to see the bigger picture. A proper revenge would be to launch the missiles at Israel, not Pakistan. Iran blamed US and Israel for the Kerman terror attacks, then went on and launched missiles at Syria, Iraq and Pakistan, the latter responded with air strikes of its own.

When Mossad assassinates our scientists on our own soil, we say it's an indirect attack, so we can't strike Israel directly. When US assassinated Soleimani, we said it happened on foreign soil. Now Pakistan flew jets into our airspace and hurled missiles at us. What do we say this time? The imaginary red line of IRGC was crossed and there will not be any response because we simply can't afford it. Do you not think that Israel, US, Saudi etc takes note of this? Even our regional rival Turkey will feel emboldened by this. The consequences of this attack are so many I can write an endless list.

Now China and Russia know we are a loose canon,
Our image in the muslim world is hurt more than ever,
Resistance fighters will think twice about the protection we can offer them, now that they see we can't even protect ourselves,
The myth that any attack on Iran will be met by 100k missiles is gone,
Pakistan will never forget this attack and will be drawn towards the anti-Iranian bloc,

I am going to pause here, but we can comfort ourselves with the fact that we traded all this and more, for a couple of terrorists and civilians.

Pakistans response was “Propotional” to IRGC attack. No Jets were flown in to Iranian territory. Drones, rockets and loitering munitions were used in this attack.

You can rest assured there will be no extreme measures in Pakistan as long as there are no extreme measures in Iran.

 

[Tehrani021]

Pakistans response was “Propotional” to IRGC attack. No Jets were flown in to Iranian territory. Drones, rockets and loitering munitions were used in this attack.

You can rest assured there will be no extreme measures in Pakistan as long as there are no extreme measures in Iran.

Fighting terrorists should not be seen as "extreme" as that would in itself be an appeal to extremists.

 

[Kharral]

The stats don't lie. The terrorists coming from your end have been more frequent and deadlier, as though theyre getting weapons, uniform and elite training along with pinpoint intelligence. We're not dumb, we see what's happening here. They serve no purpose for Iran at all, but they do for Pakistan being a US ally and engaged in sectarianism. Stop looking for excuses not to cooperate because this will happen again. Iran has some mad gheyrat when it comes to our people getting killed by terrorists.

Stats never lie but they are manipulated all the time.

Hope you had stats for attacks on Pakistani installations & interests in front of you when you wrote this comment.

Cooperation is already there, as much as is mutually beneficial for both parties.

Iran may have mad gheyrat but it certainly isn’t Mad.

Thankfully, all this internet fury isn’t translated into actions by people who actually matter. I suggest keyboard warriors on both sides take a chill pill and let grown ups manage strategic affairs.

 

[randompk]

Fighting terrorists should not be seen as "extreme" as that would in itself be an appeal to extremists.

Why is it hard for you to understand that there are various steps that you can take before lobbing missiles into someone's territory specially when it's a friendly country. You could have issued a demarche. Expelled Ambassador etc before restoring to missile strike. You should be pissed at whoever authorized this launch because this has dented Iran's credibility significantly without any gain.

 

[Kharral]

Fighting terrorists should not be seen as "extreme" as that would in itself be an appeal to extremists.

It isn’t, but there are rules of engagement & strategies.