Pakistan UAVs News & Discussions

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Yea .... No. There have been several FPV attacks against Turkish forces including on mraps etc. Korkut is a very expensive piece of equipment and you cannot field them in the dozens, and Korkut isn't some Out of this world tech. PA already has GDF guns modified to fire Atom rounds which are perfect for CUAS, if PA is able to just slap these guns onto a Actros 6x6 and pair them with a NRTC NB1, that would be roughly the same capability ad korkut but at much Lower cost for higher echelons .... While for cost effective CUAS for smaller bases use you need smaller 4x4 mounted 25mm or 30mm Low recoil cannons with airburst rounds.

Nothing is 100% foolproof. Few attacks might have occurred but the Turkish forces are cleansing the Northern Iraq off the PKK/YPG at an accelerated rate.....

 

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[CSAW]

Unmanned Sentinels Pakistan’s UAV Revolution – Second To None

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Post in thread 'Pakistan Turkey Defence Updates'

Dec 19, 2024

"....So far, three configurations with different engines have been developed for AKINCI depending on needs:

AKINCI-A with 450 hp
AKINCI-B with 750 hp
AKINCI-C with 850 hp engines.



An up-scaled variant is also being developed with two turboprop engines from the TEI TS1400 turboshaft engine with a power rating of 1400+ hp.



AKINCI’s munition options include MAM-C/L/M smart munitions, TEBER/HGK/LGK/KGK guided GPBs, TOLUN SDB, and UAV-122/UAV-230 aeroballistics missiles.

The UCAV can also be fitted with MURAD 110-A AESA radar, EW pods, SAR, or extra EO/IR...

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[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

How do the Ram Rajya of Bharat's "Last Afgans" think they have a chance against this massive "drone army" Pak is building?

 

[Tank131]

How do the Ram Rajya of Bharat's "Last Afgans" think they have a chance against this massive "drone army" Pak is building?

So thats the question right? How many does Pakistan actually possess?
UCAV: being very generous, no more than 180
Akinci: as of 2023, it had 6-7. Even if we generously say it got another batch, maximum 12-14 total, but more likely still 6-7.

TB-2: last stated number was 20. If we again give benefit of possible additional unreported deliveries at most 30-35

WL2: ~50

CH-4: 24

Shahpar II: 12-30

Anka?: 24

Buraq: unclear but from various sources i could find between 20-30 if it is in service at all anymore

Recon: again generously 150-155
Jasoos 2: 45-50
Falco: 24
Uqab: 50
Salaar 30

So maybe in the 300s for major UAVs/UCAVS.

Unknown number of kamikaze dribe or smaller units not listed above, but it is unlikely to be anything on the level of what Iran possesses.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

So thats the question right? How many does Pakistan actually possess?
UCAV: being very generous, no more than 180
Akinci: as of 2023, it had 6-7. Even if we generously say it got another batch, maximum 12-14 total, but more likely still 6-7.

TB-2: last stated number was 20. If we again give benefit of possible additional unreported deliveries at most 30-35

WL2: ~50

CH-4: 24

Shahpar II: 12-30

Anka?: 24

Buraq: unclear but from various sources i could find between 20-30 if it is in service at all anymore

Recon: again generously 150-155
Jasoos 2: 45-50
Falco: 24
Uqab: 50
Salaar 30

So maybe in the 300s for major UAVs/UCAVS.

Unknown number of kamikaze dribe or smaller units not listed above, but it is unlikely to be anything on the level of what Iran possesses.

For rapidly increasing numbers at a cost effective manner Shap,ar2 & 3 come handy. If the subsystems in them are at par with those in TB2 and Akinji, respectively, they can take it to the next level....

 

[farooqbhai]

So thats the question right? How many does Pakistan actually possess?
UCAV: being very generous, no more than 180
Akinci: as of 2023, it had 6-7. Even if we generously say it got another batch, maximum 12-14 total, but more likely still 6-7.

TB-2: last stated number was 20. If we again give benefit of possible additional unreported deliveries at most 30-35

WL2: ~50

CH-4: 24

Shahpar II: 12-30

Anka?: 24

Buraq: unclear but from various sources i could find between 20-30 if it is in service at all anymore

Recon: again generously 150-155
Jasoos 2: 45-50
Falco: 24
Uqab: 50
Salaar 30

So maybe in the 300s for major UAVs/UCAVS.

Unknown number of kamikaze dribe or smaller units not listed above, but it is unlikely to be anything on the level of what Iran possesses.

thats overly stated numbers and we dont even have half those uavs in service or operational anymore.

Armed:
CH4: ~10(+10 on order) (B/w all 3 services)
WL1: ~3
WL2: 3
Akinci: ~4
TB2: 20~40
Shahpar2: ~6
Burraq: ~18

Recon:
Shahpar1: ~20
Falco: ~24

Additional smaller uavs in service
Luna X2K: ?
Luna NG: ?
Scan Eagle: ?
Uqaab NG: ?
Salaar: ?
RQ11B: ?
+ Dozens of various sized VTOLs

 

[Clairvoyant]

thats overly stated numbers and we dont even have half those uavs in service or operational anymore.

Armed:
CH4: ~10(+10 on order) (B/w all 3 services)
WL1: ~3
WL2: 3
Akinci: ~4
TB2: 20~40
Shahpar2: ~6
Burraq: ~18

Recon:
Shahpar1: ~20
Falco: ~24

Additional smaller uavs in service
Luna X2K: ?
Luna NG: ?
Scan Eagle: ?
Uqaab NG: ?
Salaar: ?
RQ11B: ?
+ Dozens of various sized VTOLs

The number of armed UAVs in service is overestimated. This is what the recent Pakistan Air Force history book states about the number of armed UAVs.

 

[Tank131]

thats overly stated numbers and we dont even have half those uavs in service or operational anymore.

Armed:
CH4: ~10(+10 on order) (B/w all 3 services)
WL1: ~3
WL2: 3
Akinci: ~4
TB2: 20~40
Shahpar2: ~6
Burraq: ~18

Recon:
Shahpar1: ~20
Falco: ~24

Additional smaller uavs in service
Luna X2K: ?
Luna NG: ?
Scan Eagle: ?
Uqaab NG: ?
Salaar: ?
RQ11B: ?
+ Dozens of various sized VTOLs

Again, my numbers i purposely inflated as u stated above to prove a point. Even inflated numbers show there are not a significant number of drones in Pakistani service. The question is why so few in the current environment? Is it a production capacity or a lack of doctrine for their utilization?

 

[Quwa]

Again, my numbers i purposely inflated as u stated above to prove a point. Even inflated numbers show there are not a significant number of drones in Pakistani service. The question is why so few in the current environment? Is it a production capacity or a lack of doctrine for their utilization?

Drones are still in flux. We don't quite know what the scalable design and configuration will be. So far, we have these MALE designs that, in one way or another, call back to the Predator, which was designed to serve a very specific kind of purpose (COIN/CT).

IMO...the first drone type that will be bought in serious numbers would be an attritable loyal wingman UCAV.

 

[farooqbhai]

Again, my numbers i purposely inflated as u stated above to prove a point. Even inflated numbers show there are not a significant number of drones in Pakistani service. The question is why so few in the current environment? Is it a production capacity or a lack of doctrine for their utilization?

My dude your inflated numbers are more than IAF, and IAF has more UAVs only second in numbers to Iranians.
Male UAVs cost $$$, they are not cheap, WL2 & Akinci cost almost as that of Jet fighters.

 

[farooqbhai]

The number of armed UAVs in service is overestimated. This is what the recent Pakistan Air Force history book states about the number of armed UAVs.

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This is pre 2023. PAF has inducted CH4B since then and received more batches of Turkish UAVs as well.

 

[farooqbhai]

Drones are still in flux. We don't quite know what the scalable design and configuration will be. So far, we have these MALE designs that, in one way or another, call back to the Predator, which was designed to serve a very specific kind of purpose (COIN/CT).

IMO...the first drone type that will be bought in serious numbers would be an attritable loyal wingman UCAV.

I think current need is for High endurance UAVs for persistent ISR capability. American Dzyne tech have a UAV called Ultra, which is basically converted from a commercial glider into a ISR UAV to give 80hr endurance with EO paylod, the use of commercial airframe reduces spares and production costs while the endurance is already insane. Something like that we would highly benefit from.