Chinese 6th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[iblini]

Lol, the yankee boy has being stick on this thread since last night and he kept telling everyone they don't care...

 

[UKBengali]

Typical old rant that we have seen since the frist flight of J20, you are working pretty hard, it's ok, boi, pass the bill in the congress first, touch some grass and leaves us.

That plane is like twice the size of the F-22 and so having 3 engines does not mean that China is struggling with turbofan development. 3 engines have been put in to allow it to do what its operational specifications ask for.

It looks like a strike aircraft that will be used to cross the vast open distances of the Pacific Ocean from China's shores, carrying out ground/sea strikes but will also have the ability to defend itself using its stealth, advanced sensors and very long range BVRAAM.

 

[iblini]

That plane is like twice the size of the F-22 and so having 3 engines does not mean that China is struggling with turbofan development. 3 engines have been put it to allow it to do what its operational specifications ask for.

It looks like a strike aircraft that will be used to cross the vast open distances of the Pacific Ocean from China's shores, carrying out ground/sea strikes but will also have the ability to defend itself using its stealth, advanced sensors and very long range BVRAAM.

Nah, it carry much more weight and task than just a carpet bomber, it is indeed our sixth gen program no doubt and we shall see how it evolve in the next ten years.

 

[Deino]

Quick question, I've been reading there's a third 6th gen by Xi'an. I know they're making a stealth bomber, could it be that, or is it completely new?

Xian is working on the H20, it is unlikely for a company without the pass experience of designing a fighter to suddenly come up with a sixth gen program.

There are indeed reports about a third type of- and NOT the H-20 - but a stealthy regional bomber described as a FB-22/Tu-22M hybrid

 

[SolarWarden]

That plane is like twice the size of the F-22 and so having 3 engines does not mean that China is struggling with turbofan development. 3 engines have been put in to allow it to do what its operational specifications ask for.

It looks like a strike aircraft that will be used to cross the vast open distances of the Pacific Ocean from China's shores, carrying out ground/sea strikes but will also have the ability to defend itself using its stealth, advanced sensors and very long range BVRAAM.

It's just a demonstrator. The prototype is likely not going to look anything like the demonstrator. If this is a "fighter" first aircraft then the prototype will be not as big and it won't have side by side cockpit.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Oh, but i am not chinese, i'm romanian. So i'd like to believe i see things differently and without too much bias from my angle (though i do utterly detest the US empire, i try to stay objective and realistic on such military issues- bottom line being that US military gear has to obey the same physical laws as anyone else's, and is not invincible, far from it, as the war in Ukraine shows).

And to be honest, the B-21 is quite pedestrian, a warmed up B-2 concept with nothing radically new about it apart from more modern electronics and materials, very likely as the J-36 has too. And being subsonic, that's easy meat for the J-36.

“The B-21, in my opinion, is the most exquisite weapons system ever built by human hands… it will provide our nation, the Department of Defense, and combatant commanders the ability to negotiate from a position of strength.”

The aircraft is still undergoing flight testing. When asked when the aircraft will be deployed, Bussiere offered a one-word response: “Soon.”

Commander of USAF bomber force sees need to re-evaluate B-21 fleet plans - FlightGlobal

A senior US Air Force leader suggests that it would be prudent to consider obtaining significantly more Northrop Grumman B-21 bombers given the existing nature of threats. A senior US Air Force (USAF) leader suggests that it would be prudent to consider obtaining significantly more Northrop...

www.flightglobal.com

I’ll take USAF Generals assessment over yours

 

[F-22Raptor]

That plane is like twice the size of the F-22 and so having 3 engines does not mean that China is struggling with turbofan development. 3 engines have been put in to allow it to do what its operational specifications ask for.

It looks like a strike aircraft that will be used to cross the vast open distances of the Pacific Ocean from China's shores, carrying out ground/sea strikes but will also have the ability to defend itself using its stealth, advanced sensors and very long range BVRAAM.

Three engines absolutely indicates engine turbine issues. Higher costs, higher maintenance, reduced payloads.

China is likely many years behind US state of the art three stream adaptive cycle engines which will almost certainly be on NGAD aircraft.

 

[iblini]

@UKBengali @Deino
OK, we have the grass root talking about roles of two different sixth gen aircraft.

六代机没有竞标，两者定位完全错开又用途互补。成六是三发“远程作战”，突出高隐身，大航程，高速度，对面大载弹量。沈六是双发“海空孪生”，突出高隐身，高机动，大航程，对空大载弹量。成六机长26米左右，沈六机长21米左右！

Sina Visitor System

 

[FHN]

The one in Chengdu is said to have a tonnage of 50+ when fully loaded, while the one in Shenyang is obviously smaller. I prefer that these two models complement each other.this SAC design is more agile, may very well be better suited for carrier operation.

 

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[UKBengali]

Three engines absolutely indicates engine turbine issues. Higher costs, higher maintenance, reduced payloads.

China is likely many years behind US state of the art three stream adaptive cycle engines which will almost certainly be on NGAD aircraft.

Are you aware that the plane is like 20m long and also 20m from wing tip to wing tip?

Unless China just wanted a slow bomber like B21, then it would require 3 engines to fulfill what could be a strike fighter mission set.

 

[Dalit]

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And the US was flying tailless aircraft…almost 30 years ago.

There’s really nothing novel about this design and the fact it needs 3 engines indicates major turbine issues. High maintenance, high costs, reduced payload etc

You cannot compare this airframe with the Chinese 6th gen platform. The Chinese aren't bluffing. They are simply showcasing the 6th gen capability.

 

[lightning f57]

That plane is like twice the size of the F-22 and so having 3 engines does not mean that China is struggling with turbofan development. 3 engines have been put in to allow it to do what its operational specifications ask for.

It looks like a strike aircraft that will be used to cross the vast open distances of the Pacific Ocean from China's shores, carrying out ground/sea strikes but will also have the ability to defend itself using its stealth, advanced sensors and very long range BVRAAM.

Its silly logic, the B21 has 4 engines (F35 ones) so does that create a handicap for the B21?, likely all those things would apply to it as well then high maintenance, cost etc.

Given this fighter jet, lets call it the J36 is bigger than anything China has fielded 3 engines is reasonable. Also we don't know if the middle engine purpose is something else like to support hypersonic flight or otherwise.

 

[SolarWarden]

You cannot compare this airframe with the Chinese 6th gen platform. The Chinese aren't bluffing. They are simply showcasing the 6th gen capability.

It's a demonstrator get it right. The only capability they're showcasing is they can make a very heavy tailless aircraft with 3 engines fly... that's it!

 

[UKBengali]

Its silly logic, the B21 has 4 engines (F35 ones) so does that create a handicap for the B21?, likely all those things would apply to it as well then high maintenance, cost etc.

Given this fighter jet, lets call it the J36 is bigger than anything China has fielded 3 engines is reasonable. Also we don't know if the middle engine purpose is something else like to support hypersonic flight or otherwise

Yes it's blended and highly angled swept wing suggests a very fast plane.

That 3rd engine may be used for Mach 3 supercruise.