Chinese 6th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[KingQamaR]

First of all, not any first country can build a high stealth airframe and flying, not even in their PPTs.

And secondly, why you assume China dont have all the rest capabilites of sixth gen to develop, I posted Yang Wei's vision of next generation fighter here with source, you can check that.

China did not claim anything, Social media is making that claim 6th Gen.

 

[52051]

As for why CAC go with a huge size design, that must because Yang Wei's vision of next gen air-combat:

At the time when PLAAF field J-20, designers of J-20 have paid a visit to PLAAF, and has a talk with the PLAAF pilots:

During the meeting:

They ask a question to PLAAF pilots that why stealth fighter pilots improve their dogfight skills? And the answer is because they are stupid.

Yang Wei's vision of future aircombat is all about BVR and even beyond BVR.

J-36's design follow Yang Wei's vision of future air-combat one step further: Using high stealth, new mechanism radar, data fusion/data linking/AI, superior speed and superior altitude to hit your enemy long before they can found you, and leave the small amount but rather necessily close-combat/dog-fights to unmanned wingmens.

 

[52051]

China did not claim anything, Social media is making that claim 6th Gen.

China didnot claim anything, but logically speaking China's two biggest fighter-makers bring out their next-gen prototypes and conduted maiden flight.

Whether it called sixth gen? well, as long as it is next-gen to the 5th gen, it is the sixth gen, the one who firstly bring out the next-gen make the definitions.

 

[sutton9999]

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I suggest everyone listen from 59:00 mark first for a short version.

The best short commentary about 6 gen.

 

[KingQamaR]

China didnot claim anything, but logically speaking China's two biggest fighter-makers bring out their next-gen prototypes and conduted maiden flight.

Whether it called sixth gen? well, as long as it is next-gen to the 5th gen, it is the sixth gen, the one who firstly bring out the next-gen make the definitions.

Define what a 6th gen is.

 

[liuzhengdong]

Just a rumors nothing is confirmed so far, it's too early to assume J36 using advance version of WS-15

And remember STANDARD WS-15 is just starts mass production recently (1 year or so), so I have doubts in WS-15 + (+ ramjet) theory, most probably J36 is using 3 STANDARD WS-15 as an interim engines

The upper air intake is smaller than the lower air intake, that is a ramjet engine

 

[liuzhengdong]

Define what a 6th gen is.

In theory, the mainstream academic consensus is that the characteristics of the sixth-generation fighter will basically include:

Stealth capabilities and supersonic cruise capabilities that exceed the fifth generation

Equipped with active defense systems such as small lasers or interceptor missiles

Radars will use active phased array radars or more advanced technologies

Highly intelligent perception computers that can link satellites and a large number of wingmen and ground battlefield systems for coordinated operations [8]

Ability to control a small air command post for multiple drones

Application of artificial intelligence

 

[Antonius123]

The upper air intake is smaller than the lower air intake, that is a ramjet engine

Hypersonic, can fly near space, stealthy on all aspect, tera heartz radar, direct energy weapon, AI assisted operation, drone control

 

[Deino]

Hypersonic, can fly near space, stealthy on all aspect, tera heartz radar, direct energy weapon, AI assisted operation, drone control

Either you bake up your claim of shut up with Posteingang BS

 

[sutton9999]

Define what a 6th gen is.

One post above, also tells you what 076 is for.

 

[52051]

Define what a 6th gen is.

Check my early post right in this thread, Yang Wei's defintion of 6th gen, with source and my translation, is right there, dont waste my time.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

6th gen isn't just about a new stealthy airframe. Most 1st world nations can build a really stealthy airframe. 6th Gen has more to do with what the capabilities are when it comes to sensor awareness, drone operations, and new weapons development/ delivery.

6th gen will have systems of systems qualities, J-36 will be true 6th gen jet, it's extremely early in its development, so J-36 will have all these qualities you refer, wait for few more year to complete its development

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

6th gen isn't just about a new stealthy airframe. Most 1st world nations can build a really stealthy airframe. 6th Gen has more to do with what the capabilities are when it comes to sensor awareness, drone operations, and new weapons development/ delivery.

6th gen will have systems of systems qualities, J-36 will be true 6th gen jet, it's extremely early in its development, so J-36 will have all these qualities you refer, wait for few more year its development to be completed

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Define what a 6th gen is.

Typical design characteristics anticipated to deliver these roles include:<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth-generation_fighter#cite_note-3"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>

• Designed using Digital Engineering (aka Model based Design)<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth-generation_fighter#cite_note-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>
• Advanced digital capabilities including high-capacity networking, AI, data fusion, cyber warfare, D2D and battlefield command, control and communications (C3) capabilities.
• Optionally manned, with the same airframe capable of conducting piloted, remote controlled or onboard-AI controlled missions.
• Enhanced human-systems integration, with virtual cockpits presented via helmet-mounted displays which allow the pilot 360-degree vision with AI-enhanced battlefield awareness, and replacing conventional instrument panels.
• Advanced stealth airframes and avionics.
• Advanced variable-cycle engines able to cruise economically but still deliver high thrust when required.
• Increased-range stand-off and BVR weapons.
• Potential use of directed-energy weapons such as a laser CIWS.
• Software Architecture with separation of flight critical operations from other functionality<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth-generation_fighter#cite_note-5"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a>
• Potential capability for suborbital flight to achieve global reach, evade defenses, and satellite operations. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth-generation_fighter#cite_note-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a>

The feasibility of some of these characteristics remains uncertain. Development time and cost are likely to prove major factors in laying out practical roadmaps. Specific requirements are anticipated by some observers to crystallize around 2025.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth-generation_fighter#cite_note-baker-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a>

Sixth-generation fighter - Wikipedia

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[NGAD IS THE BEST]

The upper air intake is smaller than the lower air intake, that is a ramjet engine

nothing is confirmed so, everyone is guessing right now