Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

studsmart said:
Is wahkhan news posted many times have any credibility
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No, it's fake.

Some trolls started the rumor on Twitter. It has no validity to it.

If it did, we'd see wide spread fighting along the border with Afghanistan, and the taliban sending troops to Wakhan.

This hasn't happened, so it's fake.
 
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
Easier said than done.

The same quality that gives each group an edge casts them closer with just the right amount of autonomy.
Denatured!
Thr operative word for Pakistani society and its people. Pakistan had institutional continuation from the Raj. It never got to reorient it's priorities, balance or transfer the power back to the people.
Which is why Pakistan is in a deeper morass. People just haven't found their true north and their feet. It is aimless headbanging and further movement away from a true center or a true compromise among its nations/tribes.

And true to a foreign colonizer... the aims are being accomplished under the rubric of freedom... optics! And no one truly knows where they stand currently, how to turn back the clock or better move forward. Finding an enemy or creating one in Afghanistan is truly diabolical. It isn't them... Pakistan dropped the ball. It makes me laugh when seemingly sane people here post with a straight face that they are racist towards Pakistan or Punjab for that matter. What low self esteem one must be to form such statement... like you truly feel deprived or offended. It is a non subject and one delving into such sling contest needs simply to grow up! No such verbal swipes work, more importantly matter!

A conflict with someone who has much less to lose than yourself and is your neighbor WILL only become a quagmire. One where a standing military will drain itself and when the last push will come the officer will just melt away running to their true master.

Ones seeking short term goals and have a destination in mind will be the ones aiming for this folly. In all of this game of smoke and mirrors a tue distraction is being achieved. Kashmir is being forgotten and erased. People's anger and ire redirected. The true failure of purpose. The military was propped up by the US as bulwark against Soviet threat... which is long gone. The native cause to make itself whole was always Kashmir. Though I have to admit it should have been more than that but I'll let history play out on that...
Anyhow, that buildup now seeks a new enemy and the same old benefactor. To take out the pariahs next door with a nuisance value that it seems only now matters to Pakistan. Perhaps they may help amplify it to the world... because in coming years as it stabilizes without Pakistan... where will Pakistan seek it's relevance?
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Cut this lengthy monologue and tell me in simple words ! What Afghanistan wants from Pakistan ? What shall Pakistan do to stabilize the region ...
 
mythbuster said:
Cut this lengthy monologue and tell me in simple words ! What Afghanistan wants from Pakistan ? What shall Pakistan do to stabilize the region ...
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@not_ahk

So This should serve as a reply to both.

Understanding the dynamic.
Pakistan fought two wars in the region at the behest of United States. One that was anti communist and second to bring Afghanistan and Central Asian Stans integrated under US rules based order. A US centric world, where the resources in the region a either channeled for the US and/or international markets and through the US led monetary system.

Where do you see Pakistan in the above scenario? Pakistan was left with the bag BOTH times... to deal with the consequences. In its second iteration US struck a deal to extract itself without the involvement of Pakistan. Benefit or extraction...
Only to deal with the consequences once again...

Yet, Pakistan is a part of that region!!!
Pakistan did NOT leave itself and out! A country that it shares its MOST important border with...

The change of dynamic...

In come the Chinese, keeping a window open they set up shop. The previous dynamic is dead in the water. US is not coming back for central Asia. The pipelines are a pipe dream. There is a new guy in town with BRI and Afghans jumped right in... it is Pakistan and it's nature of second guessing itself and volunteering for someone else's goals which created this dynamic.

Pakistan can only offer US sabotage of BRI and eventual Eurasian cohesion. Economically and politically... obviating the Western powers for the very first time in centuries. But US doesn't want to play ball, yet! As systems work things take time in the pipeline.

But Pakistan burned a bridge in Afghanistan only to rebuild for the benefit of its master if and when it chooses to do so.
Chinese know, yet they play a patient game. They're willing to play the time game because in their estimate, time is with them... they can not only outlast the US but build a world more conducive to their interests, especially in their periphery.

So, yes. It is not what Afghanistan wants... it is essentially what Pakistan wants... play a spoiler or a builder. Pakistan in its eagerness shot itself in the foot and now reaps it's consequences. The one who doesn't want to promote trade, protect and establish lines. And the ones burnt don't trust even if the same guys go on their knees. Untenable, it is... I got more questions then Solutions for now... let's see if we see a shift once orange clown is in the office and if he has a policy shift for the region or will he leave it alone for the next four...
 
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Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
@not_ahk

So This should serve as a reply to both.

Understanding the dynamic.
Pakistan fought two wars in the region at the behest of United States. One that was anti communist and second to bring Afghanistan and Central Asian Stans under US rules based order. A US centric world, where the resources in the region a either channeled for the US and/or international markets and through the US led monetary system.

Where do you see Pakistan in the above scenario? Pakistan was left with the bag BOTH times... to deal with the consequences. In its second iteration US struck a deal to extract itself without the involvement of Pakistan. Benefit or extraction...
Only to deal with the consequences once again...

Yet, Pakistan is a part of that region!!!
Pakistan did NOT leave itself and out! A country that it shares its MOST important border with...

The change of dynamic...

In comes the Chinese, keeping a window open they set up shop. The previous dynamic is dead in the water. US is not coming back for central Asia. The pipelines are a pipe dream. There is a new guy in town with BRI and Afghans jumped right in... it is Pakistan and it's nature of second guessing itself and volunteering for someone else's goals which created this dynamic.

Pakistan can only offer US sabotage of BRI and eventual Eurasian cohesion. Economically and politically... obviating the Western powers for the very first time in centuries. But US doesn't want to play ball, yet! As systems work things take time in the pipeline.

But Pakistan burned a bridge in Afghanistan only to rebuild for the benefit of its master.
Chinese know, yet they play a patient game. They're willing to play the time game because in their estimate, time is with them... they can not only outlast the US but build a world more conducive to their interests, especially in their periphery.

So, yes. It is not what Afghanistan wants... it is essentially what Pakistan wants... play a spoiler or a builder. Pakistan in its eagerness shot itself in the foot and now reaps it's consequences. The one who doesn't want to promote trade, protect and establish lines. And the ones burnt don't trust even if the same guys go on their knees. Untenable, it is... I got more questions then Solutions for now... let's see if we see a shift once orange clown is in the office and if he has a policy shift for the region or will he leave it alone for the next four...
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I am not seeing any wisdom , just harangue of a conspiracy theorist .
 
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If true, then good.

I talked for 2 decades on how no one with any sort of power in Afghanistan is friendly towards Pakistan, including the TTA, and i got called vile names.

I hope now people will realize that I was right.
 
mythbuster said:
Cut this lengthy monologue and tell me in simple words ! What Afghanistan wants from Pakistan ? What shall Pakistan do to stabilize the region ...
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These nimrods can only be satisfied on one condition. The dissolution of Durand International border, and dissolution of Pakistan itself. These namak harams owe their survival to us, after Allah, yet they have the nerve to strike blows to a much superior and much stronger force that the Hindutva regime thinks before haggling with. Do these Afghans not know we kept a 6 times larger enemy at bay that had all the more resources than they ever will? Do they not know what caused the dissolution of the USSR? Or are they still high on the graveyard of empires ruse left by the US? They are the most brain dead and forgetful people on this planet that forget the countless sacrifices Pakistan has made for them. We let them in and gave them a place to live yet they bark at us at any chance they get. What a thankless and shameless nation!
 
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