HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

Little off-topic, but in reality:

Pakistani Forces have interfered in governmental matters, leading to the erosion of the governmental system.

The Indian Government has interfered in the affairs of the Indian Armed Forces, resulting in the deterioration of their effectiveness.
On the Pakistan side of the border, the issues are stark and existential. Pakistan still has a slim hope of sustainable development - survival! - in the near future if it takes drastic steps. The obstructions to civilian authority and to the rule of law must be overcome, and a civilian authority as well as the prevalence of law must be the hallmark of a surviving Pakistan.

Even the smallest failure to brush aside the congealed remains of past governance and present governance leaves this state deeply vulnerable to fragmentary and distributed failure. There are really no options, no rescuers, no US, no Islamic countries sufficiently generous to support a failing and structurally unsound economy, no Chinese partner grappling with its own increasingly volatile future.

If you have the insight to see so clearly into the differentiated circumstances of the two neighbours, you have also the insight to see that the near future is largely predictable, and that it might match the doleful tale of these two posts.
 
Little off-topic, but in reality:

Pakistani Forces have interfered in governmental matters, leading to the erosion of the governmental system.

The Indian Government has interfered in the affairs of the Indian Armed Forces, resulting in the deterioration of their effectiveness.
Please feel free to refute the arguments placed before all of you.
 
Little off-topic, but in reality:

Pakistani Forces have interfered in governmental matters, leading to the erosion of the governmental system.

The Indian Government has interfered in the affairs of the Indian Armed Forces, resulting in the deterioration of their effectiveness.
Agree!
 
In other news HAL is woorking on a 4th production line to eventually ramp up production to 32 (I guess ?) aircrafts per year to make up for the delay
 
In other news HAL is woorking on a 4th production line to eventually ramp up production to 32 (I guess ?) aircrafts per year to make up for the delay
The bottleneck of LCA delivery is the speed of US delivery of F404 engines, not the number of production lines in India.
 
The bottleneck of LCA delivery is the speed of US delivery of F404 engines, not the number of production lines in India.
It is a good thing, and should have been done from the outset. The two major production centres (system integration centres) for HAL were Bangalore and Nashik, the latter being specialised in the MiG range. Being a relatively new plant, expansion there is more convenient, compared to Hyderabad, Koraput, or Lucknow (none of whom are in any case system integrators; they are specialist equipment manufacturing centres).
 
It is a good thing, and should have been done from the outset. The two major production centres (system integration centres) for HAL were Bangalore and Nashik, the latter being specialised in the MiG range. Being a relatively new plant, expansion there is more convenient, compared to Hyderabad, Koraput, or Lucknow (none of whom are in any case system integrators; they are specialist equipment manufacturing centres).
once the F404 delays are resolved (I don't think it's some unresolvable complication), I think a production rate of 32 per year is reasonable, India needs to be able to produce affordable advanced fighters to replace its aging aircraft.
 
The Indian Government has interfered in the affairs of the Indian Armed Forces, resulting in the deterioration of their effectiveness
if anything the indian government has interfered less, blatant incompetency was ignored time and time again,
It was not too long ago, one could tell who the next 5 ACM of the IAF are going to be because the only criteria was seniority and not competence. (such was the govt's apathy towards Armed forces)
the only area govt interferes more heavily (compared to other nations like USA) is procurement, other area like training regimen, War fighting strategy, etc are something that government has never interfered with but books like The Wellington Experience show us the state of things totally under the control of Armed Forces

What's currently happening is strategic Interventionism by the Modi Govt. (although I must admit it is doing more harm than good due to reasons I will talk about some other time)

And as far as Pakistan and its armed forces are concerned, PAF are in essence the real rulers of Pakistan and as such have to keep their legitimacy and thus have no choice but to be efficient and effective

It is a good thing, and should have been done from the outset.
I think the main reason its being done now instead of earlier is because of the additional 97 MK1A orders,
IMO this new assembly line was more or less inevitable the moment additional 97MK1A orders were announced but the GE delay expedited the process and this facility would now come online by 2026-27 instead of the predicted 2027-28
 
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It was not too long ago, one could tell who the next 5 ACM of the IAF are going to be because the only criteria was seniority and not competence. (such was the govt's apathy towards Armed forces)
Ah yes, things are much simpler now. The Chief of Air Staff retires, and promptly joins the ruling party. The detachment of the politicians and the integrity of the forces is admirable, and in a class by itself. Has anyone heard of a chief of any service being a party member even during his tenure? Family members as members of the RSS, perhaps, but is that not an entirely different matter?
if anything the indian government has interfered less, blatant incompetency was ignored time and time again,
Unbearable.

Imagine, people who were specialists in counter-insurgency were not regarded as the jewels in India's military crown. Instead, mere mindless field-experience war-fighters were preferred.

It took this government to realise who was the real foe, not the one skulking behind its fortifications and causing unpleasant responses within the Raksha Mantri, but the ones defying the state and striving for their rights.
the only area govt interferes more heavily (compared to other nations like USA) is procurement, other area like training regimen, War fighting strategy, etc are something that government has never interfered with but books like The Wellington Experience show us the state of things totally under the control of Armed Forces
The sign of wisdom and discrimination. Other governments were idiots. Where are the gains and peaks to be surmounted in training, war fighting strategy, etc., compared to, say, a single deal for foreign-built fighters? And if, in order to make that possible, the production of a home-grown alternative has to overlooked due to the extreme pressures of procurement work, or the timorous airmen and pilots left unnerved by shrinking numbers, they should learn that this is a pacifist government that will never go to war. What value a few barren acres in a high mountain pasture, or a couple of illusory demonstrations of valour by the enemy?

What's currently happening is strategic Interventionism by the Modi Govt. (although I must admit it is doing more harm than good due to reasons I will talk about some other time)
Well said, Sir, some other time is always the better time to discuss these complicated matters. Meanwhile, procurement awaits. Even though we have production capacity for the equipment of the entire army with howitzers, self-propelled howitzers, towed howitzers, air-lift capable howitzers, howitzers fit for all requirements, it needs a sharp slap across the hind quarters for the silly military to find its collective voice and ask for imports.
 
I think the main reason its being done now instead of earlier is because of the additional 97 MK1A orders,
IMO this new assembly line was more or less inevitable the moment additional 97MK1A orders were announced but the GE delay expedited the process and this facility would now come online by 2026-27 instead of the predicted 2027-28
An excellent analysis. All is clear, and even Republic TV could not have bettered this clarity of expression.
 
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HAL actually building more production lines then actual planes now. In all seriousness this is a PR game now regarding this project and this announcement an insult not just to the IAF but all Indians concerned about defence. Literally just announcing this to take theheat off themselves

 
@Joe Shearer @silicon0000

Pakistani Forces have interfered in governmental matters, leading to the erosion of the governmental system. The Indian Government has interfered in the affairs of the Indian Armed Forces, resulting in the deterioration of their effectiveness.

If these two statements are correct, the corollary is rather obvious:

India merely needs to avoid fighting a war and it will survive.
Pakistan may collapse even without fighting a war.

Regards

PS: Not being a martial race person, I will avoid posting any more on this military topic
 

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