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[Immortals]

as if those pgm need to come horisontally
the pgm hit the mountain just before the door and make a cave in and block the way

Tell me what PGM has top attack profile?

You are talking about threading a GPS equipped PGM in a window of 100 meters or less. And if Iranian missiles (Israel/Al-Assad) and US CMs (Assad Syria airbase) cannot permanently disable runaways, what makes you think that a PGM can disable the area before the door? TELS unlike fighter jets are all terrain vehicles.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Tell me what PGM has top attack profile?

You are talking about threading a GPS equipped PGM in a window of 100 meters or less. And if Iranian missiles (Israel/Al-Assad) and US CMs (Assad Syria airbase) cannot permanently disable runaways, what makes you think that a PGM can disable the area before the door? TELS unlike fighter jets are all terrain vehicles.

name me one that does not have it
and don't change the discussion if you tag me mage me mor real reason our discussion was not for using underground base for missiles, it was for storing fighter jet and interceptors like F-14 and Su-35 inside them. why you were in Favour of them i pointed those bases are only good for strike aircraft and bombers. for fighters is far better to disperse them around country and but then in reinforced shelters in various bases around country as we have more 60 airbase, we need to build several reinforced shelters inside each of them

 

[Immortals]

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name me one that does not have it
and don't change the discussion if you tag me mage me mor real reason our discussion was not for using underground base for missiles, it was for storing fighter jet and interceptors like F-14 and Su-35 inside them. why you were in Favour of them i pointed those bases are only good for strike aircraft and bombers. for fighters is far better to disperse them around country and but then in reinforced shelters in various bases around country as we have more 60 airbase, we need to build several reinforced shelters inside each of them

A GBU-24? A laser guided unpowered bomb? You realize an aircraft laser designator has like 8 nm range? So you must be assuming Iran’s lost the entire airspace for such a weapon to be used at such close range to target.

I asked for what STAND OFF PGM can hit directly from above with reliable accuracy safely. By suggesting GBU-24 or any short range laser guided bombs, you are already assuming Iran lost the airspace and a F-16 can sit above the underground base dropping laser guided bombs. It’s a stupid answer, Iran isn’t Gaza.

The whole point of underground air bases is to keep planes protected as long as possible and air space from falling to enemy as long as possible. So U.S. or Israel would have to resort to stand off weapons (long range CMs or air launched BMs) all of which would rely on GPS to hit that small window between structure and door from above, which Russia has shown is easily jammable. As both Syria and Israel have shown, hitting reinforced roads or runways with CMs or BMs does nothing to stop enemy from quickly repairing.

As we already discussed many times, Spreading planes around does nothing against a country with thousands of fighters/bombers and long range cruise missiles. You think Iran is only country that can mass fire projectiles? You think US or Israel cannot fire 300-500 cruise missiles at Iran? How would spreading planes around save the planes? You going to have highly reinforced shelters for each and every plane? How are you going to protect these additional 30+ (or more) airbases from swarm attacks? How are you going to adequately resupply them with jet fuel and bombs. It’s a logistical nightmare.

You couldn’t even protect Isfahan from losing its S300 fire control radar to a few quadcopters but now you will keep 60 airbases safe/protected/resupply during war.

It’s hilarious you think covering a few entrances at each mountain base with structures and SHORADs and other defenses is impossible, but you think concrete shelters and spreading your aircraft (and defenses) thin across many airbases will protect these planes? It’s devoid of logic. There is a reason many countries have had underground airbases (China, North Korea, Taiwan, etc).

Underground airbases are Iran’s best bet to keep its airforce safe from Israel or U.S. as long as possible.

 

[Hack-Hook]

A GBU-24? A laser guided unpowered bomb? You realize an aircraft laser designator has like 8 nm range? So you must be assuming Iran’s lost the entire airspace for such a weapon to be used at such close range to target.

I asked for what STAND OFF PGM can hit directly from above with reliable accuracy safely. By suggesting GBU-24 or any short range laser guided bombs, you are already assuming Iran lost the airspace and a F-16 can sit above the underground base dropping laser guided bombs. It’s a stupid answer, Iran isn’t Gaza.

The whole point of underground air bases is to keep planes protected as long as possible and air space from falling to enemy as long as possible. So U.S. or Israel would have to resort to stand off weapons (long range CMs or air launched BMs) all of which would rely on GPS to hit that small window between structure and door from above, which Russia has shown is easily jammable. As both Syria and Israel have shown, hitting reinforced roads or runways with CMs or BMs does nothing to stop enemy from quickly repairing.

As we already discussed many times, Spreading planes around does nothing against a country with thousands of fighters/bombers and long range cruise missiles. You think Iran is only country that can mass fire projectiles? You think US or Israel cannot fire 300-500 cruise missiles at Iran? How would spreading planes around save the planes? You going to have highly reinforced shelters for each and every plane? How are you going to protect these additional 30+ (or more) airbases from swarm attacks? How are you going to adequately resupply them with jet fuel and bombs. It’s a logistical nightmare.

You couldn’t even protect Isfahan from losing its S300 fire control radar to a few quadcopters but now you will keep 60 airbases safe/protected/resupply during war.

It’s hilarious you think covering a few entrances at each mountain base with structures and SHORADs and other defenses is impossible, but you think concrete shelters and spreading your aircraft (and defenses) thin across many airbases will protect these planes? It’s devoid of logic. There is a reason many countries have had underground airbases (China, North Korea, Taiwan, etc).

Underground airbases are Iran’s best bet to keep its airforce safe from Israel or U.S. as long as possible.

as if GPS guided weapons can't have top attack profile

by the way jdam can be fired from f-35 and f-22
and protecting interceptors and fighter ? let recall who buried its air force under sand to protect them. yes it was Saddam . those air aircraft at the firs sign of enemy must be air borne . its bomber and reconnaissance aircraft that need protection

and before I forget its JDAM explosion


i wonder how long it take for your all train aircraft to fly from a base that its entrance was hit by that

 

[Immortals]

as if GPS guided weapons can't have top attack profile
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by the way jdam can be fired from f-35 and f-22
and protecting interceptors and fighter ? let recall who buried its air force under sand to protect them. yes it was Saddam . those air aircraft at the firs sign of enemy must be air borne . its bomber and reconnaissance aircraft that need protection

and before I forget its JDAM explosion
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i wonder how long it take for your all train aircraft to fly from a base that its entrance was hit by that

GPS guidance is useless in electronic warfare environment.

Another US precision-guided weapon falls prey to Russian electronic warfare, US says

A U.S. defense official would not provide specifics, but is likely referring to Boeing’s Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb.

www.defenseone.com

Russia jams US GPS-guided weapons given to Ukraine, leaked info shows

The Russians have been working on how to disrupt the US military’s GPS-guided weapons since the last century.

taskandpurpose.com

Go back to playing War Thunder. Your ideas come from world of video games. You keep repeating same debunked theories.

 

[Garcia Sea]

Iran's electronic jamming was completely useless, and Israeli missiles accurately destroyed key Iranian facilities.
The obstacles in front of the PGM are indeed meaningless as it descends at a near vertical angle.
Even a formation of only 10 F-35s can concentrate dozens of tons of PGMs on a single point, yes, the equivalent of killing Nasrallah.
The area attacked would have a huge crater, close to endless and deep enough to obliterate anything and everything, not to mention blocking the way.
Underground facilities are no longer safe.

 

[ParthianLord]

Iran's electronic jamming was completely useless, and Israeli missiles accurately destroyed key Iranian facilities.
The obstacles in front of the PGM are indeed meaningless as it descends at a near vertical angle.
Even a formation of only 10 F-35s can concentrate dozens of tons of PGMs on a single point, yes, the equivalent of killing Nasrallah.
The area attacked would have a huge crater, close to endless and deep enough to obliterate anything and everything, not to mention blocking the way.
Underground facilities are no longer safe.

source "My israeli suggar daddy told me so yesterday night after he gave me 5 dollars for the week"

none sense dude, not a single "Key facility" got destroyed.

 

[Immortals]

Iran's electronic jamming was completely useless, and Israeli missiles accurately destroyed key Iranian facilities.

Key facilities?

2 buildings in a massive military complex (Parchin) that were involved in possible nuclear weapons work over 25 years ago?

1 unfinished OTH radar

And 1 well known to OSINT community of a missile body plant.

Compare that to the entire list of actual targets (which was likely much more).

None of these faculties that were hit would have GPS jammers around them. You cannot GPS jam your entire country or every military facility or every building. You pick and choose the most important ones.

Even Bibi’s house was hit with a cheap $1000 drone, does that mean Israeli air defenses are all useless? That it sucks at Electronic Warfare?

The obstacles in front of the PGM are indeed meaningless as it descends at a near vertical angle.

The structure is a measure of last resort. Cheap and makes it that much harder oj enemy. There is still multiple air defense rings the PGM has to get thru + ECW.

And none of Israeli attacks were “near vertical” angle. They were quadcopters and terrain hugging CMs or micro CMs. If Israel used BM the buildings wouldn’t be standing.

Even a formation of only 10 F-35s can concentrate dozens of tons of PGMs on a single point, yes, the equivalent of killing Nasrallah.

How are 10 F-35’s going to get into Iran without external fuel tanks which kill their “stealth” factor? Without a massive tanker near Iranian airspace ready to refuel? Without tactical teams airborne ready to rescue downed pilots?

Oh I forgot we are talking about how wars are conducted in video games.

 

[Persian Gulf]

A GBU-24? A laser guided unpowered bomb? You realize an aircraft laser designator has like 8 nm range? So you must be assuming Iran’s lost the entire airspace for such a weapon to be used at such close range to target.

black ops / spies can designate target with laser

we saw Israeli agents were able to get within 5km of Haniyeh's IRGC compound

 

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[Immortals]

black ops / spies can designate target with laser

we saw Israeli agents were able to get within 5km of Haniyeh's IRGC compound

1) IRGC compound was smack dab inside a city. Impossible to cordon of 5KM for residential building in a metropolis like Tehran. Even diplomats and high ranking Iranian officials don’t get that treatment anywhere in the world let alone in Iran.

Meanwhile a airbase is usually in a remote area peppered with IR sensors and motion sensors and for someone to laser that location they would need a high vantage point overlooking the site. Pretty hard for a Mossad/CIA asset to do. Would need a tier 1 or 2 special forces team.

2) Haniyeh was killed from within the compound. Even Israeli’s admitted Iran almost relocated him to a different room because his air conditioner didn’t work until a tech came and fixed it last minute. The bomb was planted near his bed (some say pillow, some say the bed itself, others say the wall, etc).

It was not a team firing a ATGM at the building.

 

[Fatman17]

 

[Mehdipersian]

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Is this photo of Sukhoi 35 assembly in Iran?

 

[Fatman17]

Is this photo of Sukhoi 35 assembly in Iran?
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Very interesting development if true.

 

[Fatman17]

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Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) has introduced a new loitering munition, reportedly capable of reaching a range of 20 kilometers. Dubbed the “Razvan,” the kamikaze drone was unveiled during the recent Payambar-e Azam (The Great Prophet) 19 military exercise. According to Iranian media, the drone is equipped with a front-facing camera that enables it to be controlled via a first-person view.