Can the US win a war with China? Shocking new simulation reveals what could happen if Taiwan is attacked

The american's battle experiences are mostly consist of fighting and getting owned by cavemen riding a goat.
They dont need to control a land to win.

They win just destroying things, like they did in Iraq and Libya, and the winner, whoever will be, will fight each other to do foreign commerce in USD dollars, so USA always win.

When world peak oil and peak everything approaches, USA wins just destroying countries and making them sink in the eternal underdevelopment, because that decreases raw materials and energy consumption.

BTW anytime USA destroy a country it's useful for keep the rest countries in fear of USA democratic bombs.
 
Why would Japan sacrifice its national security for US ambitions in the region? Plain stupidity

Japanese are smart people, they won't side with United Snakes of America in case of a war over Taiwan.
 
In front of the first flight of China's sixth-generation fighter, everything you said is a joke

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Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yugoslavia, Gaza, Lebanon, Ukraine, Syria etc

What did Chinese soldiers do except pushing Indian borderguards and slapping Uygur women?
China only dispatched a drone squadron to help the Burmese Han Chinese armed forces occupy 12000 square kilometers of Burmese land
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China doesnt have warfare experience of battle hardened soldiers.

For them war is watching kungfu movies, putting Uygurs in a concentration camp, pushing Indian borderguards away and cleansing Tibetan villages.

The US with their experienced and battle hardened generals would bomb the shit out of every country, including China.
Turkey's battle-hardened military was used to put Turkish Kurds in concentration camps, cleanse Kurdish villages, and massacre Kurds.
 
It's not the criossing the strait part I have an issue of, it's the shooting part that I have an issue off, unless your fishing boat is make with Kevlar Reinforced armor, it WILL be cut to piece by a M240 Bravo Machine gun with 2 dudes (Probably just 1) hiding somewhere can reek hole in your fishing boat like a sieve. Have you ever seen what 853 meter per second Full Metal Jacket 7.62 firing at 3470J do to steel sheet? Well, I had.




Imagine this, imagine that, first tell me how you can completely blockade Taiwan with just 3 fleet, then maybe we can talk. And if they are completely blockaded, then how the rich leave?

Another point is had you ever considered their strategic reserve? How much food and fuel they have already stored off site to prepare for such a war? You can't attack just one day, it take month if not years to move everything in place to get your troop, ships, aircraft, supply together so you can fight a war, that give time to start strategic reserve if they had not done so already, you are talking about 1 to 2 year of reserve easily being store just in 6 month, in the US, that number is 10 years for fuel. US had 1.5 billion barrel of oil for Stategic Petroleum reserve. And 3 to 5 years depends on soil fertilities for food. China also have their strategic reserve, you don't just go without food and oil when you were getting embargoed.






Huh? over 20,000 interception in Ukraine means these platform doing jackshit. Do you know what is doing jack shit in Ukraine? Russian Air Force, and care to ponder why they are doing absolutely NOTHING in Ukraine? That's because the platform you are saying is doing jackshit in the war.

I am sure Russian just like a challenge and not use their air force at all during the invasion, am I right?

And I like how you think an aviator with an old J-7/8/9/10 is worth less than 4 million a pop Patriot Missile. Really, that's sad.......LOL

And lol, how do you do drone when you don't have a platform to launch and ALL The launch is coming in one direction.............Dude, maybe it's time to think before you type.....


I read and analyze Taiwan election, I just have a problem with your "if"

First of all, the first "if" is "If" there is a 20% Taiwanese population supporting one China. That's a big "IF" by the way, the poll Taiwan Times did back in 2023 suggest 11.3% of returnee support a Chinese reunification


Second, the second "if" is "if" this is the case, they all support China when push come to shove, in reality, while it's hard to guess, but through history, you are talking about 10-15% of population support an insurgency in country like Afhganistan, Northern Ireland, aplying that, you have around 10% of those 11.2% would actually do something. That's a very small portion and that's before any government intervention.

I will say, if we compare the Ukrainian war with Russian Sympathiser to Chinese Sympathiser in Taiwan, Ukraine probably will face a tougher insurgency and discontent as there are a bigger portion of Ethnic Russian in Ukraine than Chinese friendly people in Taiwan. Whether or not that amount to anything is up to anyone guess, but it would have to be REALLY stupid to depends on these population to rise up and do something, in battle plan term, you discard these type of support, because that would be unrealiable.



I am talking about the missile, show me one GMLRS have 400km range.

HIMAS also said their effective range is 49km, but we all know they are talking about PrSr Missile, not GMLRS

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In the face of China's sixth-generation fighter jets, it is futile to prevent China from unifying Taiwan
In the future, the Chinese People's Liberation Army will use unmanned amphibious infantry fighting vehicles and mechanical wolves when landing in Taiwan, and the Taiwanese army will face unmanned mechanized landing forces.

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There was a War stimulation by Rand Corporation which I had read a few years ago.

I am not an expert in military but in that article, US kept losing. Then they changed the stimulation to make US stronger and China weaker by setting the following.
Every missiles by the F22 hits the target 100%. Yet US still loses.
Why?
China coastal air defence is so advance, US only have a few asset that can penetrate it like F22.
All 7 US bases in Korea and Japan will be destroyed by China's artilleries. Bases are not hardened. F22 is based in Guam (If still not destroy) and needs 3 refuels to reach Taiwan theater and have little loitering time.

China, on the other hand has up to 41 bases within reach of Taiwan! So even if F22 score 100% hits, China can still use the infra red targeting to shot them as they return to base.



Now all of a sudden, you start to read reports of stimulations where its a draw or US wining. Something changed ?
 
My god, what does decimating coastal defense do you not understand? Ships like a fishing vessel operating clandestinely don't even need to be near the beach to land. They can just swim over at night. 1000 ships x 25 soldiers each scatter across the coast at night. Imagine 100 ships a night scattered across 400km of coast, are you sure there are defenses every km? Machine gun? Make sure the soldiers have food and power first after the meat tenderizing campaign.



Why are you giving me the US SPR? Do you want me to show you the Chinese SPR? Taiwan is how far from US? You fcking telling me they are going to ship to Taiwan oil without risking a direct war?It would have sunk even before it reaches the port or again, you think they unload using dinghys? LOL. How the rich leave? By flight? Or you think it is going to be by boat? They will be a period of tension before the war starts, by then the rich and powerful would have fled, it will futher destroy confidence and undermine the monetary system. Ultimately the collapse of the Taiwan $. Then they can barter for food...lololol




20'000 at 4mil$ a pop, do the math mate, you telling me you using patriots to shoot down DJI drones? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL




I already fcking told you those planes are being converted to suicide drones, you drifting away again it seems. How do you do drone when you don't have platform to launch? WTF are you spewing again? You fcking launch it from an airfield facing Taiwan. The attacker has the first movers advantage dude. The straits is 160km max.




It is mathematics mate, 60% of the population believes in the ONE CHINA POLICY, doesn't mean reunification but the 92 consensus aka the TPP and KMT policy. That's you talent pool there, you think we need a million recruits? No, you need a few hundred instigators, the rest are fifth columnist in the Taiwan military, the commanders that will defect with their batallion, where they will be given a chance to be alive and RMB plus confiscated property once the war is over.




I would say there are more 'traitors' than you think there are. LOLOL. I spoke to a few, alot dare not say it out loud for fear of being labelled as a Commie.


We were talking about artillery and you said it was not an artillery and I proved to you it was an artillery. Are you mistaking howitzers to MLRS?


Can you please stop swearing in your posts.
@j_hungary wants to ignore you now. Let it be.
 
When nuclear weapons are not used, China has a larger military.

Answer is no USA cannot defeat China, as China improves it's military technology.

By 2030, China should be on par with USA technologically.
 
In the face of China's sixth-generation fighter jets, it is futile to prevent China from unifying Taiwan
In the future, the Chinese People's Liberation Army will use unmanned amphibious infantry fighting vehicles and mechanical wolves when landing in Taiwan, and the Taiwanese army will face unmanned mechanized landing forces.

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lol, sure.........

Whatever man, you guys live in a weird dimension. But then again, kind of hope this is how the PLA think and how war works, because that would make things A LOT easier for everybody.....

Well I mean some Chinese here seems to think this is possible

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There was a War stimulation by Rand Corporation which I had read a few years ago.

I am not an expert in military but in that article, US kept losing. Then they changed the stimulation to make US stronger and China weaker by setting the following.
Every missiles by the F22 hits the target 100%. Yet US still loses.
Why?
China coastal air defence is so advance, US only have a few asset that can penetrate it like F22.
All 7 US bases in Korea and Japan will be destroyed by China's artilleries. Bases are not hardened. F22 is based in Guam (If still not destroy) and needs 3 refuels to reach Taiwan theater and have little loitering time.

China, on the other hand has up to 41 bases within reach of Taiwan! So even if F22 score 100% hits, China can still use the infra red targeting to shot them as they return to base.



Now all of a sudden, you start to read reports of stimulations where its a draw or US wining. Something changed ?

Not sure artillery can reach Japan, if they use Korea, then the NK will start attacking the South.
 

I think the max is WS-4 400km rocket artillery. Can it really reach Japan? It is enough to cover Taiwan in a barrage though. Rockets, missiles and drones should be enough pounding to soften the meat.
 
lol, sure.........

Whatever man, you guys live in a weird dimension. But then again, kind of hope this is how the PLA think and how war works, because that would make things A LOT easier for everybody.....

weird as in thinking you can wipe out coastal China? Alot EASIER huh, so much so that we don't see US 'defending' Ukraine? Heck the Russian don't even have a proper navy now. LOL
 

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