Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation
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_Arabia_
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Unfortunately it appears to me that they have a lot of influence on this forum contrary to the real world where they are a tiny overall minority albeit often a very problematic one as seen in numerous countries and conflict zones.
By that logic 99.99% of all 400 + million Sunni Arabs are "Netanyahu" whatever the hell that means.
Iran and the Iranian regime are generally loathed by almost every Syrian out there otherwise they would not be enacting such laws. All it takes is a few Google searches or speaking to Syrians online. Nobody can blame them.
Similarly I don't believe that Iraqi Ba'athis were/are very popular in Iran post 1988.
_Arabia_
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For the non-Arabic speakers:
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In other words those were/are Al-Assad regime terrorists. The user in question explains the situation very well. They should deal with them very swiftly and not allow any fifth columns to even breathe for 1 second.
The Russian occupiers, as I wrote earlier would happen, are also getting kicked out.
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I don't mind if they dislike iran, but the double standards between Russia and iran clearly reveals their sectarian mindset, which is typical of the Sunni Muslim radicals like yourself
Foinikas
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The 5th column were the ones holding power right now actually.They are the ones loyal to the MB ideals and wanted to take power for decades. These are the actual terrorists,the ones with extreme ideology.
It is funny when you talk about "Russian occupiers",when Russia had been invited by the legitimate Syrian government. For you the Turks and Israelis aren't occupiers? Don't tell me "the Turks were invited by the Syrian government",they were an outside player who actually helped this salafi group take power and then legitimize Turkey's involvement in the war.
Foinikas
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So when are you going back to Syria?
_Arabia_
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Russians are also going to be kicked out but unlike small Iran, Russia is actually somewhat of an important country albeit a declining one.
No, radicals, like 99.99% of all 500 + million Arabs and 90% + of almost all 2 billion Muslims, nobody (let alone the most important people here - Syrians - who are the ones that really matter) likes your regime's role in Syria hence such policies.
Similar to how radical Iranian Shias as yourself would not be welcoming Iraqi Ba'athis after 1988. Should not be that difficult to understand.
_Arabia_
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Why is is so hard to understand for you that Iran and its regime policies is mostly hated/disliked across the entire Arab world from Morocco to Oman? We as Arabs have no reason to like/support them considering events since 1979. The only ones that love them are Shia extremists/terrorist/supporters of Iran-sponsored terrorist groups/proxies.
We don't like a hostile regime that has caused a lot of harm/instability in the Arab world.
How about I force you Greeks to love Ottomans or ultra-Turkish nationalists?
What is it with you and toying pro-Iranian regime (a fanatical Shia Muslim Islamic regime - you are supposedly an anti-Islamist person as per your own posts) viewpoints?
Foinikas
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I spoke about Russians,but you see Persians everywhere.
_Arabia_
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"Persians"? You do know that there are millions of Arabs in Iran as well? Many have high positions within the regime and most of the Mullah's of Iran are of Arab descent or claim Arab ancestry. They are probably the most economically strong community in Iran. They were imported from Arab lands (Southern Lebanon, Iraq, Eastern Arabia - ironically from modern-day Eastern KSA as well) during the Safavids when they converted Iran from Sunni to Shia Islam in the 1500's and onwards.
Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam - Wikipedia
Let alone Azeris, Baloch, Turkmens, Kurds and a bunch of others.
Yes, I see them "everywhere" because in the context of Syria you cannot look past them and their very negative role. To such an extend that Syria has now banned their entry.
Just like you focus on Turkey constantly, I do that with the Iranian regime as they have caused more harm than anyone else since 1979 and they are our biggest enemies if you ask me.
Look at what has occurred in Lebanon, Iraq and Yemen since 1979. Only people who like to see their country turn into a failed country or Shia fanatics loyal to a Shia fanatical regime in Iran are content.
I envy the new Syrian government and their policies in this regard and I would hope that KSA and all other Arab countries would follow suit as long as those Mullah's are in power but sadly this is not going to happen.
But while I am openly and proudly anti-Iranian regime, I have always stated that I have nothing against non-hostile Iranians (regardless of ethnicity). But if they are anti-Arab and anti-Muslim (Sunni Muslims), I will look at them as enemies. Very simple. As for the Iranian regime, their policies since 1979 have proven time and time again that they are our enemies so my views are very natural in this regard.
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_Arabia_
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BTW "real" Persians (from Southern Iran - their homeland - more precisely Fars province next to KSA and Iraq) have more in common with Arabs next door (even looks wise - we Arabs in the GCC know that as many Iranian Arabs and Iranian Persians - Sunnis - have been migrating to the GCC since centuries ago and vice versa) than we have with Azeris in North Iran, Mongoloid looking Turkmens or others. Many Arabs in Eastern Arabia have ties to Iran as well as many Southern Iranians with Eastern Arabia. Such people can be counted in the millions. Since time immortal. Modern-day DNA tests also confirm this.
So it has nothing to do with race. Even more so when the only other Persian country in the world (small land-locked Tajikistan) has cordial ties with Arab countries and many Tajiks live/have migrated to the Arab world. There is even an very old Arab community in Tajik-inhabited areas of Afghanistan (Arabs are one of the many recognized local ethnic groups of that country), Tajikistan and Central Asia.
Also a specific Central Asian Arabic dialect.
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But this is not strange, people you tend to have many ties with, are often your rivals. You as Greeks should know that very well in regards to Turkey next door. Many of you also share even ancestral ties with each other but that does not prevent geopolitical rivalry or hostility from emerging. Another example is Pakistan and Afghanistan or Pakistan and India. Basically the largest ethnic group in Pakistan (Punjabis) have more in common with Indian Punjabis next door than they have with Pashtuns, outside of nationality and religion that is. Similarly with Pakistani Pashtuns and Afghan Pashtuns.
But it is easy to just focus on sect (which I frankly care very little about - hence zero focus on my part on Shia Arabs, other Shias of the world).
If the Iranian regime, since 1979, had played a positive role in Arab countries and in Syria, nobody would have a problem with them. Because unlike many Iranians (who have a obsession about Arabs due to well-known historical events from almost 1500 years ago), most Arabs are clueless/indifferent to Iran itself (not talking about the regime here) but the country and people.
But I suspect that you are aware of all this already or have heard it from other Arabs already.
So it has nothing to do with race. Even more so when the only other Persian country in the world (small land-locked Tajikistan) has cordial ties with Arab countries and many Tajiks live/have migrated to the Arab world. There is even an very old Arab community in Tajik-inhabited areas of Afghanistan (Arabs are one of the many recognized local ethnic groups of that country), Tajikistan and Central Asia.
Also a specific Central Asian Arabic dialect.
Central Asian Arabic - Wikipedia
But this is not strange, people you tend to have many ties with, are often your rivals. You as Greeks should know that very well in regards to Turkey next door. Many of you also share even ancestral ties with each other but that does not prevent geopolitical rivalry or hostility from emerging. Another example is Pakistan and Afghanistan or Pakistan and India. Basically the largest ethnic group in Pakistan (Punjabis) have more in common with Indian Punjabis next door than they have with Pashtuns, outside of nationality and religion that is. Similarly with Pakistani Pashtuns and Afghan Pashtuns.
But it is easy to just focus on sect (which I frankly care very little about - hence zero focus on my part on Shia Arabs, other Shias of the world).
If the Iranian regime, since 1979, had played a positive role in Arab countries and in Syria, nobody would have a problem with them. Because unlike many Iranians (who have a obsession about Arabs due to well-known historical events from almost 1500 years ago), most Arabs are clueless/indifferent to Iran itself (not talking about the regime here) but the country and people.
But I suspect that you are aware of all this already or have heard it from other Arabs already.
Foinikas
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Do not consider me so ignorant just because I use the term "Persians".
That sounded like a racist rant up there.
_Arabia_
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Nothing "racist" about historical facts and stating facts about the close ties between Eastern Arabia and Southern Iran and Persians in particular who are the closest ethnic group within Iran to Arabs outside of Iranian Arabs themselves. I have seen plenty of DNA tests that confirm this relationship as well.
Also don't consider me so ignorant for me not to know what this is all about for you here. You only have a problem with 1 segment of Islamists (the Arab and Turkish variants) but you love the Iranian variant.
I am playing with open cards, and have always stated the same things again and again. Al-Assad regime was a backward and incompetent regime that held Syria back. Hence I am happy that this minority regime (illegal and not representative as well) is gone. Secondly I am very happy that the Iranian regime is permanently removed from Syria and by extension Sham. Those are my 2 main criteria for being happy and content. Rest is up to the Syrians to decide in regards to whatever system/people they want to be ruled by.
Time for you to play with open cards. Why does the defeat of Iran, Al-Assad regime and Russia bother you so much in Syria as a Greek of all people? Why do I think that it would bother you even if say secular Syrian nationalists had taken power and removed a foreign Russian/Iranian puppet (Al-Assad regime)?
Foinikas
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But it wasn't secular nationalists who took power,wasn't it! And that's the whole problem.
I've said it so many times that I'm tired of it,but I guess you haven't seen any of my posts about it. The Assad regime had a lot of problems. We all know it wasn't the perfect democracy. It wasn't a real democracy and had a lot of dumb policies,stubborn persistence in old ways and ridiculous Cold War propaganda of the great leader. It was strict when it came to challenging the government and had a stupid insistence on the term "Arab" when it was one of the most multiethnic Arab majority countries in the region.
But this Syria was a beautiful and relatively peaceful country. It was one of the safest countries in the Middle-East and a very good tourist destination. Full of museums,culture,nightlife etc.
It was a country where all religious minorities were protected. Christians and Shia enjoyed a peaceful life.
Like I used to say back in 2012-2013,if Assad falls,there is big danger for the Christian,Shia and Alawite communities there. I worried and worry about the Greek Orthodox who have stayed in Syria. For the churches,the monasteries, the Patriarchate of Antioch.
I didn't want to see Syria fall into the hands of the MB and Sunni radical gangs.
And for geopolitical reasons,Assad Syria was friendly to Greece for decades. It was cautious towards Turkey and the Kurds were giving the Turks problems in the south. It was a potential second front in case Turkey invaded or tried to take some islands and things got out of hand. And a Syria allied with Russia would keep Israel and Turkey in check,theoretically.
Now,it's a geopolitical disaster.The new Syrian government is a Turkish vassal and plans to sign illegal agreements and cause more problems to Greek Cyprus. Furthermore,Turkey will be having the lion's share in everything then it comes to Syria now.
So in a few words: Assad's government protected the Orthodox Christians,had good relations with us,was Pro-Russian,
was one of the few countries left going against Israeli expansion and wasn't pro-Turkish.
Get it now?
_Arabia_
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So why do you want to convince me of your viewpoint (s) which are completely irrelevant for the vast majority of Arabs, Saudi Arabians and indeed and most importantly Syrians themselves? Vast majority of Syrians are Sunni Arabs just like vast majority of Arabs. We will naturally have similar viewpoints on many fronts and similar opponents/enemies.
I don't care about Syrian Arab Christians or the tiny Armenian minority above the vast majority (Syrian Sunni Arabs) of the population nor should the majority of Syrians be held down, oppressed and not be represented as they deserve and be dominated by some overall tiny minorities of Syria. This was a unnatural thing throughout all of recorded history and lasted for some 40-50 years. No longer is that going to happen again.
Just like you would never accept Turkish Greeks to rule and dominate Greece for 50 + years.
As for Arab Christians and Christians in the Middle East (Arabs were the first Christians in the region and world outside of the small group of Jews that converted), Arab Christians have lived among Muslims (Sunni Muslims mostly) since forever and continue to do so from Arabia to Egypt to Sham. Nobody is bothering them or their churches and communities as they are part of the Arab social fabric.
But those that happen to be Christians and who have blood on their hands will be judged and not escape justice and nobody cares if they are a minority or what their sect or beliefs are. Hence many nominal pro-Al-Assad regime Sunnis being held to an account.
As for Syria and safety, nobody but Al-Assad is to blame for the Syrian civil war. Nobody else. He could have reformed and listened to his people and there would have been no civil war to begin with. Let alone if Syria was a successful country no rebellion would have worked same is it never worked in the GCC because only a tiny minority was/is discontent. In places like Tunisia, Libya, Sudan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen etc. it was different hence the situation unfolded differently.
