Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[The SC]

After meeting al-Sharaa this day:

Putin Envoy: We agreed with the leadership in Syria to continue the military bases

Putin envoy: The future of military bases in Syria requires additional consultations

 

[Foinikas]

So why do you want to convince me of your viewpoint (s) which are completely irrelevant for the vast majority of Arabs, Saudi Arabians and indeed and most importantly Syrians themselves? Vast majority of Syrians are Sunni Arabs just like vast majority of Arabs. We will naturally have similar viewpoints on many fronts and similar opponents/enemies.

I don't want to convince you,I'm only telling you my opinion and my point of view. I'm not expecting a wahabbi Saudi to embrace it.

Arab Christians have lived among Muslims (Sunni Muslims mostly) since forever and continue to do so from Arabia to Egypt to Sham. Nobody is bothering them or their churches and communities as they are part of the Arab social fabric.

EX-AQ and other jihadist groups take power in Syria. Future doesn't look so bright.

But those that happen to be Christians and who have blood on their hands will be judged and not escape justice and nobody cares if they are a minority or what their sect or beliefs are.

Oh yeah? And who are you to say? The judge? The Saudi custodian of Syria's Sunnis? Yala,khalas.

As for Syria and safety, nobody but Al-Assad is to blame for the Syrian civil war. Nobody else. He could have reformed and listened to his people and there would have been no civil war to begin with.

The government(because I don't think it was just Bashar but others that had maybe even more responsibility about the policies of the government)should have carried out reformed a lot earlier.

HOWEVER,you must be terribly naive to think this civil war started just like that. The MB was waiting,just like in 1982. Foreign countries were quick to meddle and provoke the uprising. They were quick to give money,shelter,weapons and training to various Syrians AND non-Syrians willing to fight the Syrian government and topple one more country that criticized Israel and one more Russian ally. Not to mention one more Iranian ally.

 

[_Arabia_]

I don't want to convince you,I'm only telling you my opinion and my point of view. I'm not expecting a wahabbi Saudi to embrace it.


EX-AQ and other jihadist groups take power in Syria. Future doesn't look so bright.


Oh yeah? And who are you to say? The judge? The Saudi custodian of Syria's Sunnis? Yala,khalas.


The government(because I don't think it was just Bashar but others that had maybe even more responsibility about the policies of the government)should have carried out reformed a lot earlier.

HOWEVER,you must be terribly naive to think this civil war started just like that. The MB was waiting,just like in 1982. Foreign countries were quick to meddle and provoke the uprising. They were quick to give money,shelter,weapons and training to various Syrians AND non-Syrians willing to fight the Syrian government and topple one more country that criticized Israel and one more Russian ally. Not to mention one more Iranian ally.

Nice pathetic attempt of a sectarian slur against a non-existent community of people. There are no Wahhabis anywhere in KSA let alone the world. Those are Hanbali Sunni Muslims, 1 of the 4 historical madahib in Sunni Islam. KSA is home to all the oldest Muslim communities regardless of sect, be it Shafi'is, Malikis, Hanafis, Hanbalis, Sufis, Salafis, Shias (Twelvers, Ismailis, Zaydis) etc. I am a Shafi'i Sunni Muslim as I have already told to you but you prefer your trolling as usual.

You are a Jehovas Witness or a Zionist as well maybe? Or a fundamentalist Orthodox Christian.

Yes, the AQ fairytale. Heard that one before.

Yes, it was very bright under the Al-Assad dictatorship and regime and its 100's of fanatical Shia terrorist group backers.



Anyway this discussion is absurd. The Syrians have spoken and naturally vast majority of Arabs will be happy for events in Syria and for the removal of our geopolitical enemies. Simple.

 

[Foinikas]

Nice pathetic attempt of a sectarian slur against a non-existent community of people. There are no Wahhabis anywhere in KSA let alone the world. Those are Hanbali Sunni Muslims, 1 of the 4 historical madahib in Sunni Islam. KSA is home to all the oldest Muslim communities regardless of sect, be it Shafi'is, Malikis, Hanafis, Hanbalis, Sufis, Salafis, Shias (Twelvers, Ismailis, Zaydis) etc. I am a Shafi'i Sunni Muslim as I have already told to you but you prefer your trolling as usual.

Waaaait a minute

"There are no wahabis anywhere in KSA"? Are you...serious? Wasn't the entire foundation of the Saudi kingdom,wahabism? Alright let's skip that. You said enough,it's...I think the others understand that you want to downplay the importance of wahabism in Saudi Arabia. You said that Assad's Syria was backwards. You know that if Saudi Arabia had no oil and gas,it would have been considered even more backwards than Assad's Syria?
Yes,you would have been just another Taliban-like State. Just a bit better. Yes,a bit better than Taliban Afghanistan. You'd have income from the Hajj,from fishing,from ports,from trading,but in the end you'd be an even more backwards society than Assad's Syria. Both Bashar AND Hafez's Syria.

Yes, the AQ fairytale. Heard that one before.

Ya Abu 3arab,if you're gonna show me infographics,you better prepare:

 

[Foinikas]

What do you want,do you want Kurdish militias?



General?



Battle of idlib? Look at the opposition players there.



Battle of Yarmouk?

 

[Foinikas]

Pro-government?

 

[_Arabia_]

Waaaait a minute

"There are no wahabis anywhere in KSA"? Are you...serious? Wasn't the entire foundation of the Saudi kingdom,wahabism? Alright let's skip that. You said enough,it's...I think the others understand that you want to downplay the importance of wahabism in Saudi Arabia. You said that Assad's Syria was backwards. You know that if Saudi Arabia had no oil and gas,it would have been considered even more backwards than Assad's Syria?
Yes,you would have been just another Taliban-like State. Just a bit better. Yes,a bit better than Taliban Afghanistan. You'd have income from the Hajj,from fishing,from ports,from trading,but in the end you'd be an even more backwards society than Assad's Syria. Both Bashar AND Hafez's Syria.


Ya Abu 3arab,if you're gonna show me infographics,you better prepare:

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No such thing in practice. There is no such sect nor does anybody call himself a Wahhabi. Those are Sunni Hanbalis. And they are a minority within KSA and always have been. So there is no denying anything as there is no reason to. Nor is MbS following any such policy.
Most Islamic scholars will agree with this. Even many Western experts have openly stated that there is no such thing. It might have been a political movement 300 years ago during the first Saudi state or during the later unification of KSA where it was 1 out of numerous unifying and underlining elements.

Ibn Abdul Wahhab is not Saudi Arabia, reaffirms Crown Prince

Crown Prince Muhammad Bin Salman emphasized the Kingdom’s position with regard to Wahhabism as well as its tolerant and flexible approach toward both its Sunni and Shiite population.

saudigazette.com.sa

No, KSA (Arabia) was always much richer than Syria and is far richer in terms of resources on almost every front Much larger in landmass and population. Without oil and gas KSA remains one of the most resource rich (just in terms of minerals) countries on the planet. Home to the largest gold deposits and ancient gold mines of the region. At no point was Syria even remotely comparable to KSA during the Assad regime in the past 50 years.

I don't care, Syrian Sunni Arab majority rule is restored to Syria after 50 years of unnatural, incompetent and backward minority rule.

And soon EU is going to lift sanctions as well as the entire West. End result, nobody is buying your propaganda of imaginary AQ/ISIS/Wahhabi/Salafis/evil Sunni Muslims or whatever.

 

[Foinikas]

nobody is buying your propaganda of imaginary AQ/ISIS/Wahhabi/Salafis/evil Sunni Muslims or whatever.

No bro,they just pious mozlems,aaaight? That's why Jolani had a 10$ million bounty 'cause he peaceful know 'am sayin'?

 

[_Arabia_]

No bro,they just pious mozlems,aaaight? That's why Jolani had a 10$ million bounty 'cause he peaceful know 'am sayin'?

Look, everyone knows that there are problematic elements within the HTS but where is there no problematic elements in Syria after 13 years of bloody civil war and outside interference? But do you really think that the entire world, EU, West and your own country included (lol) would be meeting with AQ/ISIS and recognizing them today if they were a threat or a problem in 2025?

Do you not know any history? How many times have villains (in the past) changed their spots and re-emerged as something else or rehabilitated themselves?

There are 1000's of such examples everywhere in the world.

Ending it here as we will not agree. As a Jehovah's Witness you should not be arguing with an Wahhabi either way.

 

[Foinikas]

Look, everyone knows that there are problematic elements within the HTS but where is there no problematic elements in Syria after 13 years of bloody civil war and outside interference? But do you really think that the entire world, EU, West and your own country included (lol) would be meeting with AQ/ISIS and recognizing them today if they were a threat or a problem in 2025?

Do you not know any history? How many times have villains (in the past) changed their spots and re-emerged as something else or rehabilitated themselves?

There are 1000's of such examples everywhere in the world.

Ending it here as we will not agree. As a Jehovah's Witness you should not be arguing with an Wahhabi either way.

This is gonna end like one of those Memri Arab TV discussions with Musings playing the role of the host going like "Ya azizy,la la la! Ya ikhwan! Ikhwan,bas! Bas! La la!"

 

[_Arabia_]

This is gonna end like one of those Memri Arab TV discussions with Musings playing the role of the host going like "Ya azizy,la la la! Ya ikhwan! Ikhwan,bas! Bas! La la!"

You can freely and happily accuse me of being anti-Iran regime but trying to paint me as anti-Christian or anti-Arab Christian or somehow in favour of repeating the mistakes of the Al-Assad regime (oppressing communities within Syria) is not something that I am in favour of or ever have been. Fifth columns (the Twitter feed I linked to) however need to be dealt with and are being dealt with in any country where a regime/government is now in power. It is completely normal not different from what Greece would be doing to combat violent anti-state actors.

BTW, speaking about KSA and "Wahhabis". Prior to 1979 and the Sahwa movement in KSA, the country, albeit naturally more conservative and religious than many Arab countries, was not that different in the main cities. Which many people forget about.

Sahwa movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Talking about KSA as one monolith despite its enormous size and 10 + different historical regions makes little sense.

Jeddah in 1873:

Jeddah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

One just need to see the richness and incredible diversity of local national/regional women dresses within KSA.

Mansoojat: The Virtual Museum of #Saudi Arabia's Traditional Costumes > Featured in Oasis Magazine

(HRH Prince Turki AlFaisal Attending a Mansoojat Event) (The Thaqeef Tribe) A group of Saudi women created the Mansoojat Foun...

oasis-mag.blogspot.com

There is huge diversity within KSA on every front from geographical features, mountain, desert, coastal, agricultural, city, Bedouin etc. communities. KSA is like 1 country composed of numerous distinct historical entities and historical regions spanning South Arabia, Western Arabia, Eastern Arabia, North Arabia/Southern Levant, Southern Mesopotamia cultural sphere (in the Northeast) with tentacles to every neighbouring country/region. Take Hejaz, the most populous region of Hejaz, geographically, culturally, linguistically etc. we are closer to Egypt than say the Khaleej. It is much more complex than the usual taking points. To start with KSA is not even a "Gulf country" (Khaleej) with less than 500.000 people speaking a Khaleeji dialect of Arabic.

Not the topic of this thread but your posts make me go off-topic a bit and I have just scratched the surface. Could go in detail with the the whole "Wahhabism" theme as well and the past 300 years of history on that front. Which is also complicated and multilayered and not really relevant today though but from a historical context it is.

 

[Foinikas]

BTW, speaking about KSA and "Wahhabis". Prior to 1979 and the Sahwa movement in KSA, the country, albeit naturally more conservative and religious than many Arab countries, was not that different in the main cities. Which many people forget about.

And look how it ended up. And that's how you want Syria to end up with the takfiris.

 

[Musings]

And look how it ended up. And that's how you want Syria to end up with the takfiris.

You are starting to talk sectarian - dont. I wont allow it. First and last warning..........

 

[Foinikas]

You are starting to talk sectarian - dont. I wont allow it. First and last warning..........

Roger that

 

[_Arabia_]

And look how it ended up. And that's how you want Syria to end up with the takfiris.

What ended up? Are you trolling again outside of the unmotivated sectarian slurs and personal attacks even though you know my views already (as we have discussed the same topic again and again) and I already told you?

What is the point of this "Wahhabi" nonsense when 1) not the case, 2) my views those not allign with this imaginary group of people 3) Wahhabism or whatever you want to call it, plays no role in KSA of today. It was a puritan movement that was relevant 300 years ago and more recently during the Najdi-led unification. Afterwards this was fused with MB/Sahwa/Egyptian Islamist elements during the Sahwa era (I linked you a Wikipedia page so you could educate yourself).

Today KSA is a thriving, open and tolerant society and has returned to what it largely was prior to 1979. Hence the tourism boom, openess etc.

KSA is one of the few countries on earth where women outnumber males in universities and KSA has had the largest rise of women workforce in the world and now is equal to many developed Western countries on this front. Huge steps have been taken to improve KSA on all fronts but honestly I don't care if you believe that KSA is Taliban/Afghanistan, the results on the ground are free for all to see. As well as the opening up of KSA. Overall I agree with it and support it although I don't agree with everything which is natural but nobody can deny the progress.

Nor is anyone going to reduce KSA to one sect or events from 30-40 years ago when we are talking about a country with a recorded history spanning at least 11.000 years.

Al-Magar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You have people like you trying to portray KSA as some kind of AQ/ISIS/Taliban nonsense and just at the same time in other threads on this forum, KSA is accused of being infidels, Zionists, Jews, Atheists etc.

This tells me that KSA is doing the right thing when extremists (at least extremists views) from both sides are proven wrong and people can look at it so differently.

Ending it here as we are off-topic and this is about Syria and we should stop discussing about Syria as we will never agree.